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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 28 2011 13:37 GMT
#1941
Episode was ok. Didn't really expect the girl to be in the barn for some reason. Shane is becoming the most interesting character really fast :D

The girl with Glenn is kinda lame tho. She is so mad and after a few words - telling what anyone with half a brain should already know - she kinda falls in love again? wtf
Revolutionist fan
TritaN
Profile Joined December 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 13:47:44
November 28 2011 13:47 GMT
#1942
Rick isn't interesting at all. Now that sophia is dead, Daryl should return to being a general badass as usual and Shane has become the most interesting character of the series despite walking like a gorilla half the time.

Honestly, they could have cast some of the characters a bit better, but so far it hasn't been too bad. I just think the series could have been done better in many parts (except for the zombie visual fx - that shit is air tight.)
Tristanity
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia45 Posts
November 28 2011 14:00 GMT
#1943
I was actually hoping that last walker was Herschel's wife or something.. that would have been epic.. I was shocked, din expect that they would kill another character..
"I always believe in playing the macro game"
Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
November 28 2011 14:30 GMT
#1944
Man Shane is a total bad ass. LOVE his character even more now. He seems to be one of the only reasonable characters left. And really? Feb is when the next episode airs?!
"give me 20 minutes and I'll make them quiet" - MVP
kcbgoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 14:34:12
November 28 2011 14:32 GMT
#1945
Hershel's wife would've been epic? There was his whole family. You know what woud have been epic? Exactly what happened. That last scene was so good. Can't wait till february...
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
November 28 2011 14:35 GMT
#1946
I find it amazing anyone thinks of writing that way.

Writers (good writers) illustrate complex characters and people feel whatever way they want. People can identify with all kinds of different things, and like or dislike different characters or parts of characters.



Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
November 28 2011 15:00 GMT
#1947
Good episode indeed. It's good that they have a break now because with all the zombies the last 2 episodes they are probably broke so they need to collect some money to be able to use more zombies next half of the season!
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
pure_protoss
Profile Joined April 2011
152 Posts
November 28 2011 15:05 GMT
#1948
On November 29 2011 00:00 Termit wrote:
Good episode indeed. It's good that they have a break now because with all the zombies the last 2 episodes they are probably broke so they need to collect some money to be able to use more zombies next half of the season!


you do know that the show is already done entirely right? they shoot a tv show like a year before it actually airs....
animol
Profile Joined March 2010
135 Posts
November 28 2011 15:08 GMT
#1949
Epic ending, best episode this season and one of the best of the whole series in my opinion.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
November 28 2011 15:11 GMT
#1950
On November 29 2011 00:05 pure_protoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 00:00 Termit wrote:
Good episode indeed. It's good that they have a break now because with all the zombies the last 2 episodes they are probably broke so they need to collect some money to be able to use more zombies next half of the season!


you do know that the show is already done entirely right? they shoot a tv show like a year before it actually airs....

It was a joke dude. And probably a reference to the fact that they had massive budget cuts and the studio suggested just hearing zombies occasionally and not seeing them to save on make-up.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
November 28 2011 15:20 GMT
#1951
On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.

I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead.


Haven't read the comics but

a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe.

b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options?

Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn).

apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
November 28 2011 15:22 GMT
#1952
dat wide shot right before rick domes sophie. some nice cinematography, finally.
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
November 28 2011 15:34 GMT
#1953
On November 29 2011 00:05 pure_protoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 00:00 Termit wrote:
Good episode indeed. It's good that they have a break now because with all the zombies the last 2 episodes they are probably broke so they need to collect some money to be able to use more zombies next half of the season!


you do know that the show is already done entirely right? they shoot a tv show like a year before it actually airs....

not necessarily, I remember during 24 they were still filming the last episode a few epi's before it aired
Anon06
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 15:44:35
November 28 2011 15:42 GMT
#1954
some thoughts about shane.

I don't think he snapped nor did he act out for the safety of others. It all starts when lori tells him that it's not his baby and even if it is he can't do anything about it. he tries to talk about how rick isn't cut out and in endangering them but is shot down. This is where I believe he makes the decision to let the zombies out in order to force rick into failing at making more hard decisions and thus proving that he's not cut out to be the leader. He walks off but is stopped by carl who displays exactly how much he's been influenced by rick which further solidifies shane's resolve to let the zombies out of the barn/topple rick. where does he go from here? directly to look for the guns which is where I think he was heading before being stopped by carl for a second. In the episode prior he said to dale(I believe) he'd do anything to protect his family after this episode that includes killing or toppling rick. To me this episode has a deeper meaning it's the episode where shane has decided to turn against rick. rick even calls out to him as brother and is ignored.
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
November 28 2011 15:48 GMT
#1955
On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.

I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead.


Haven't read the comics but

a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe.

b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options?

Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn).




Point A was addressed in the last season at the CDC.....he said 'there is no cure'. Also, Shane proved the point that they are dead by shooting her 5 times in the chest and heart. Even if there was a cure, it would be to stop people turning...I don't think it would be able to bring them back...after all they are the 'walking dead'...meaning they're reanimated corpses. The Zombies here are not like in I am legend or 28 days later...these are dead people walking the Earth, meaning that there is NO cure...What I would like to see is if the whole world was affected or just america, would be well cool to know.


Point B is kind of ok, however I feel that if Hershal new then he should have said something to them....saying that he knows she's in the barn or that they took a little girl in. They should have been honest with the situation from the start...that MAY have calmed them down a little, maybe not.

I feel the characters ALL have their roles to play in the future. Shane is becoming more badass but is also losing some of his humanity, Shane is trying to hold on to his as best he can, holding on to his morals and stuff....the others we don't see enough of, though I think Dale is falling in love with that chick and Andrea is starting to turn more into Shane. The one thing I don't like is the fact that Hershal and his family were so welcoming. I believe there has been shows with people in a siotuation like this where 1 group identity becomes so ingrained that it becomes almost impossible for them to take in another group. Maybe it had something to do with the boy being shot but thats the only reason I could see it. Though after a while I could see humanity coming into play and accepting them as part of their own group, something hershal should have done early on to promote harmony between the people. After all, this isn't just about his group and their group, but humanity in general.
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
November 28 2011 16:01 GMT
#1956
My favorite part of the entire episode was when Shane talked to Carl right after his argument with Lori. What he said was so fucking touching it almost made me tear up.

You can really tell how much he cares for that kid, and how he'd do anything to protect him and Lori, and he proved he would in this episode.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 16:09:26
November 28 2011 16:07 GMT
#1957
On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.

I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead.


Haven't read the comics but

a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe.

b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options?

Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn).



There is no cure, I don't see how it would be reasonable to expect something to bring back the living dead. A vaccine wouldn't bring back those who have already turned. An alternative for what happened in the show is present in the comics.

+ Show Spoiler [Not a show spoiler. Comic alternative…] +
In the comic, while Hershel is trying to rope a new zombie into the barn, they all break out and kill like half his family, this makes him realize that he was wrong about the Walkers.


So yes, I feel that Hershel was being delusional and incredibly stupid for leaving a barn full of zombies 5 minutes away from camp. He would eventually have had too many in there to the point where they would break out, or have fucked up putting the new ones in there. Also, had Dale hidden the guns in the swamp and had Shane not stopped him, the group would have likely suffered devastating losses if the comic incident had occurred.

As for Sophia, Shane was just being realistic. After the third day, I pretty much figured she'd either has to be dead or a complete fucking badass to survive out there alone. Considering that Sophia was pretty meek and not particularly impressive in dealing with zombies it was more than likely that she was dead.
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
November 28 2011 16:20 GMT
#1958
How exactly would they have put new zombies in the barn anyway? Just open the door a crack and shove them in???

Doesn't seem...particularly safe....
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
November 28 2011 16:31 GMT
#1959
Dale makes absolutely no sense. There's no actual evidence or reasoning as to why he all of a sudden thought/knew about the Otis situation and that Shane is dangerous. He had the exact same information as everyone else in the camp (even less than Lori) with the addition of looking Rick down the sight of his gun way back when.

That being said, after 7 episodes of pretty mundane and frustrating characters/plot, the final barn scene was gorgeous and amazing.
the farm ends here
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 28 2011 16:42 GMT
#1960
Shane was right, but needs to stop acting like a fucking lunatic to prove his points.

After the CDC thing its unreasonable to expect someone can make a cure for the thing.
And it was also kinda logical that the girl was dead; leave a random small girl on a forest. Do you expect her to survive if she doesn't run into anyone? Now add a bunch of zombies.
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