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On November 28 2011 16:44 Scarecrow wrote: Great episode, can't wait for the other half of the season. Sophia showing up was a nice reversal (I was lucky to avoid being spoilered), Shane and the others were eager to butcher herschel's loved ones but when faced with their own it was Rick who showed true leadership. I also liked herschel's take on the zombies, that it wasn't so much about them, but preserving the humanity of the survivors.
I really like where it's heading although T-dog should've died on the road and they really could use a strong black lead to replace him. I wouldnt mind seeing Dale killed off too and replaced with the old man and his son from the start of season 1 to maintain the show's political correctness.
No I love Dale. T-Dog does need more appearances though.
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote: It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.
I kind of see where you're coming from there, but I don't think that's the writers intention. Plenty of people associate or like the "bad ass" of the group. Although it does seem like they are trying to make viewers dislike him, and failing pretty miserably if they indeed are. I'm pretty sure they aren't trying to give people a strong affinity towards Dale lol.. In comparison to Rick and Shane, Dale is pretty minor. I think they know that most people would dislike the guy that tries to meddle in everyone's business. Although he pisses Andrea off, so that makes me like him a little bit...
Overall, I like the show, but sometimes they seem to drag things on a little too long. Just my opinion, though. I have a question. Does the Talking Dead interest you at all?
I think it's all right and when I watch the show it makes me laugh, I'll admit, but it could be a little overkill too, perhaps.
On November 28 2011 18:19 Inertiaddict wrote: Overall, I like the show, but sometimes they seem to drag things on a little too long. Just my opinion, though. I have a question. Does the Talking Dead interest you at all?
I think it's all right and when I watch the show it makes me laugh, I'll admit, but it could be a little overkill too, perhaps.
I never bother. I'm more interested in seeing opinions/reactions in this thread to be honest. I'd rather spend that time watching something else (namely Boardwalk Empire).
only question i have is why was dale hiding the guns? to make sure something dramatic (shane unleashing the farm/fireworks on the walkers) wouldn't happen and they could continue their stay at the farm i guess?
Because Dale sees that Shane is losing is grasp on reality, going insane. He knows he is becoming unbalanced, saw him pointing a gun at rick, and suspect, correctly, that he killed Gus.
Unbalanced, maybe, definitely angry and impulsive, but not "losing his grasp on reality, going insane". Shane, while he is a bloody bastard, is the only one who isn't deluding himself about the choices which have to be made.
Which I think the ending scene showcased very well. When Shane shot the lassoed zombie women in vital organs, it broke Hershul's delusions (he is a doctor after all) as he let Shane go on and didn't take the pole-lasso from Rick. Then, when the barn doors opened, it fully broke everyone else's as well; these things were not diseased people they could coexist with but ravenous and dangerous things which must be destroyed or avoided (locking them up in a barn doesn't seem sufficient). Glen briefly hesitated but realised what he had to do. And then finally Rick knew this truth as well as he shot Sophia.
edit: And dawdling and avoiding these choices and truths only leads to worse consequences later on. Something which I think the show doesn't play up enough. There should be an arc in which Rick and the other's trying to the noble thing (when it isn't possible) really backfires on them, and nobody is there to fix it.
Rick and Herschel didn't have some massive turn around. Hershcel collapses in pain watching a woman he knows shot followed by several others. He didnt collapse in realisation as Shane shoots her in the chest - its when he blows her head off. Equally Rich is doing the hard thing killing Sophia, not finally "agreeing" with Shane's pragmatism or whatever you think is happening.
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote: It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.
I don't think it's true to say most people are the other way around, especially after this episode there seems plenty in this thread who aren't liking Shane.
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote: It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.
I wish you'd stop speaking for the audience, most people on here at least seem to disagree with you.
I really liked that episode! I thought the dialogue actually contributed to the overall direction of the show as opposed to the filler we've had for the last few weeks.
Solid end to the show as well. This episode has somewhat renewed my faith in this show's direction.
I think all characters made good decision in that last episode.. great stuff.. finally it reach an end of one part of the story. Hope the next episode is the beginning of another..
On November 28 2011 20:35 Tristanity wrote: I think all characters made good decision in that last episode.. great stuff.. finally it reach an end of one part of the story. Hope the next episode is the beginning of another..
Agreed! It was fairly obvious that Sophia/Sofia was in the barn to be honest. Especially after the spoiler picture.
On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote: It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around.
I'm not sure about that, it might be that they just butchered it, or the approach they've taken establishes two fields of viewpoints on survival in a post-apocalyptic world. I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead, opening the barn he put everyone in a situation where they'd have to confront the reality of the world they lived in. I completely understand why some people hate Shane for his actions but I don't really see anyone despising Rick, Dale perhaps, but that's mostly because he's nosy as an kind of overbearing, a character flaw they've touched on within earlier dialogs between him and Andrea.
Shane is a love him or hate him kind of character, I can clearly see him being set up as a tragic villain but also understand why some people don't like him. The circumstances he has been put in are pretty shitty and I can see him losing it and going full on bat-shit, it's a more gradual unraveling and I like it, as I like the character.
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