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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:03 OptimusYale wrote: through the hatch in the upstairs maybe? That's what I thought at first as well... Except it involves walking up a ladder  . Good luck.On November 29 2011 02:20 insolus wrote: Yeah i think theyd survive longer under shane He's a bit of a hot-head and not the brightest. I'd take Rick any day. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:17 Xayoz wrote: Hm. I wonder whether I was the only one secretly hoping for someone to put a bullet in Shanes back while he was spazzing out by the barn. You can certainly say that his actions make sense but that doesn't change the fact that he would be the last person in this group I'd want to spend my zombie apocalypse with. I'm rather surprised so many people actually seem to like him. I am also wondering why hasn't anyone there point out the obvious route the survivors should take - find a nice farmhouse (or some small village) as far away from civilization as possible and wait till this thing blows over (about a year maybe?). All in all, I have enjoyed the second season thus far. The way they solved the ordeal with the missing girl was rather nicely done (+ I actually didn't see that coming). yeah i know, its like he is about to release all the walkers on the group maybe someone should stop him. It went well and they took them all down but still thats a risk i would rather not take. If you want to kill them just do it from the up part of the barn. I was thinking rick would shoot him in the back or just after but i guess not. That was one great mid-season episode thought. | ||
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sesma
Germany37 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:07 Noev wrote: yeah i know, its like he is about to release all the walkers on the group maybe someone should stop him. It went well and they took them all down but still thats a risk i would rather not take. If you want to kill them just do it from the up part of the barn. I was thinking rick would shoot him in the back or just after but i guess not. That was one great mid-season episode thought. I don't really think there was ever any threat in releasing the zombies the way they did. After all, they had like 10 guns with more than enough ammo, and the walkers aren't exactly quick. And with them coming out single file it was never an issue. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
They had a taste of "paradise", or at least a normal life, which we now see is going to get taken away from them. You can't establish that tranquility in one or two episodes. They let us get comfortable, just like the characters, with the pace they gave us, and then -- BAM -- Shane goes full-blown lunatic and tries to work everyone into a frenzy by literally siccing a barn-full of zombies on them. Yeah, that's brilliant. Can't believe people are defending Shane in this thread. Really? Besides, the show has made it pretty obvious that Shane's dispute with Rick isn't "philosopical" or practical as it may sometimes seem. Shane is JEALOUS, to the point of murder -- that's the REAL motivator behind his anger with Rick. He doesn't think, and he'd rather see the group kill each other than not kill at all. | ||
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
Random question, I'm not at home to go back and re-watch. From the wiki write-up of the episode: "Shane repeats that if they're not going to clear the barn, they have to leave. The two argue until Rick finally blurts out that Lori is pregnant. As Rick leaves, Shane congratulates him, only for Rick to imply that the child belongs to Shane." What did Rick say to imply this? I don't remember getting that impression, so I must have missed it. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:22 ryanAnger wrote: I don't really think there was ever any threat in releasing the zombies the way they did. After all, they had like 10 guns with more than enough ammo, and the walkers aren't exactly quick. And with them coming out single file it was never an issue. The show goes for realism. That's why handing out guns is always kind of a big deal in the show. It might sound silly, but what if someone tripped? What if someone walked in front of someone else's line-of-fire? These are very legitimate concerns when handing out guns to a bunch of untrained people. The zombies only add to the danger, forcing these untrained people to make quick decisions. What POINT was there in Shane so casually jeapordizing people's lives? To "correct their mindset"? To give them some hands-on training? BS. It was an emotionally-driven, reckless, selfish maneuver. It most clearly demonstrated out of anything in the show so far why Shane should not be leading anybody. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:27 Karshe wrote: Really enjoyed the episode, and really wishing I hadn't spoiled the Sophia reveal through this thread. I have no self control when it comes to spoilers. Random question, I'm not at home to go back and re-watch. From the wiki write-up of the episode: "Shane repeats that if they're not going to clear the barn, they have to leave. The two argue until Rick finally blurts out that Lori is pregnant. As Rick leaves, Shane congratulates him, only for Rick to imply that the child belongs to Shane." What did Rick say to imply this? I don't remember getting that impression, so I must have missed it. Yeah I'm not even going to rewatch. It didn't happen. Flat out wrong. I remember waiting to see if he would. All Rick does is pause in walking away and slightly turn and say thanks. They might mean that. Except that's reading a lot into something. | ||
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Gesperrt
Germany417 Posts
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Dub_doubt
United States86 Posts
(I hope Shane gets killed | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
kill Shane off after his litte stand-off with Dale (since he dies quite early in the comics), but I'm glad they didn't. I thought the Sophia-reveal was pretty stupid, and I'm not talking about the fact that she got bitten and turned. It felt so bizarre that she just stayed in there for so long and only came out after the noise died out. I understand that they did to make more of an impact, but it felt quite silly. I would have rather they shot her in the midst of killing the other zombies and noticing it afterwards, or seeing her among the others, making them waver but then Shane blows her brains out. I guess I'm just nit-picking, but it kinda bothered me. Oh well, it was a really good episode. Now the wait begins, I guess. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:42 Bane_ wrote: Was I alone in hoping Dale would actually pull the trigger in that forest scene with Shane? :o lol, I was just hoping he would go balls out and shoot him, or just give up the guns. God, that sigh of relief when Shane walked away | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
Though I guess the safest option is to clear the zombies in the barn and then shoot Hershel if he tries to kick them off. | ||
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
Also someone said something about wanting to get into the comics, I'd advise getting the Compendium, it has all of the comics at least to my knowledge it does. They have them at Barnes and Nobel or online would probably be the best way to get one, it's kinda spendy though I might put it on my Christmas list if I wanted it. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:14 n0ise wrote: Thanks for the comic alternative, seems interesting. What you say is definitely the 'probable course of events' - my point was that as long as everyone is safe (and since they survived til now by themselves with just one man handling the family zombies, I suppose they'll be safe with guns and way more manpower), why not just fucking let Hershel have his way?! Especially after he's taken care of you, after you killed his relative/friend/whatever (Otis) and so on. Accepting the possibility of "living dead" [literally corpses functioning with zero organs, vaguely excepting the brain and a few senses] means precisely that it's perfectly reasonable to also expect that after years and years, maybe, just maybe, there's the slim chance of a complete cure. Add this to the fact that Hershel was religious, and there's obvious reason in him trying to still take care of his zombiefamily. "Just in case", as he might put it. Same for Sophia - obviously her chances are slim as f (basically her only hope being to run into something/someone), but as long as you have like 20% ground left to cover and you're in a safe spot anyway - why refuse her those chances? Moving on, about Shane losing control - I don't think he went that batshit as some people believe. He saw the killing of the zombies as a necessity, so he forced the hand of the people around him instead of calling in the Council of fucking Elrond, where Rick could've probably persuaded everyone that killing the barn off isn't really necessary. So WP on his part. This is how i feel. For someone who's trying to be a leader, he sure loses his cool and plays by emotion a lot. Sure they 'had it under control' because he gave guns to everyone, but isn't giving guns to everyone in a safe area ALREADY AN UNSAFE MOVE? Then putting everyone even if remotely in danger by unlocking a barn full of walkers. Yeah, that was obviously a 'leadership' move /sarcasm. To me, if you're a leader, you do what is RIGHT, what needs to be done, and that meant exhausting the search for sophia because if you move on, or stop the search, and then she turns up weeks/months later as a walker or dead, or worse, alive... how shitty do you feel for abandoning her. How do you sleep at night knowing you didn't give it your all trying to find her. This is about REAL people living in an apocalypse, NOT your gun slinging zombie massacre B rate movie that everyone keeps wanting this to be. THATS why everyone is loving shane right now, not because he's actually be a leader, or showing any morale compass, but because he's being that bad ass that everyone wants to be from playing 1 too many resident evil games. Go watch Dawn of the Dead a few more times and save us all the trouble of having to repeat ourselves over and over again about WHAT this series is about. Also, in the Talking Dead, they actually go into detail about how Rick steps up and takes control over the Sophia part because he IS the leader and had to make the hardest decision. Killing a bunch of nobodies is easy, killing a CHILD of your own group, THAT is what 'needed' to be done. Something Shane didn't do. He never let a single walker get within 10 feet of them, but he let her within 5 ft of the entire firing squad. He didn't have the balls to do it. The true 'apocalypse' isn't the zombies, it's about the loss of HUMANITY in people as this outbreak occurs, and shane is the EXACT example, of what happens to people when they stop thinking about the greater good, and more for his own personal gain (yeah he loves Carl and Lori, but that's for his OWN selfish reasons because HE wants them, not actually because he has some deep seeded love for them. Hell he fucked Andrea in the car with NO hesitation, Yeah he must REALLY love Lori man). How anyone can support the maniac Shane and his crazed methods is beyond me but this episode is finally accelerating the plot between Rick and Shane, something I can't wait for. The Talking Dead also address how Otis was the one who was rallying the walkers into the barn alone, AND that sophia, went missing for 2-3 days BEFORE they ever even got to the farm, THEN carl got shot, and another day or two went by before Otis and Shane went off to find the medicine, and THEN Otis got capped by Shane, taking the knowledge of a dead little girl in the barn to the grave. So no, the Farm and Hershel knew nothing of her in the barn, and guess who's fault that is. OH, Shane. Yeah, killing an innocent man to survive is obviously leader skills man. Next time they're on the road, and some walkers come by, lets just throw T-dog to them so we can escape, then Carol, then Dale, then Glen. God, how people can defend Shane's psychotic 'leadership' is beyond me. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On November 29 2011 06:27 Kazeyonoma wrote: This is how i feel. For someone who's trying to be a leader, he sure loses his cool and plays by emotion a lot. Sure they 'had it under control' because he gave guns to everyone, but isn't giving guns to everyone in a safe area ALREADY AN UNSAFE MOVE? Then putting everyone even if remotely in danger by unlocking a barn full of walkers. Yeah, that was obviously a 'leadership' move /sarcasm. To me, if you're a leader, you do what is RIGHT, what needs to be done, and that meant exhausting the search for sophia because if you move on, or stop the search, and then she turns up weeks/months later as a walker or dead, or worse, alive... how shitty do you feel for abandoning her. How do you sleep at night knowing you didn't give it your all trying to find her. This is about REAL people living in an apocalypse, NOT your gun slinging zombie massacre B rate movie that everyone keeps wanting this to be. THATS why everyone is loving shane right now, not because he's actually be a leader, or showing any morale compass, but because he's being that bad ass that everyone wants to be from playing 1 too many resident evil games. Go watch Dawn of the Dead a few more times and save us all the trouble of having to repeat ourselves over and over again about WHAT this series is about. Also, in the Talking Dead, they actually go into detail about how Rick steps up and takes control over the Sophia part because he IS the leader and had to make the hardest decision. Killing a bunch of nobodies is easy, killing a CHILD of your own group, THAT is what 'needed' to be done. Something Shane didn't do. He never let a single walker get within 10 feet of them, but he let her within 5 ft of the entire firing squad. He didn't have the balls to do it. The true 'apocalypse' isn't the zombies, it's about the loss of HUMANITY in people as this outbreak occurs, and shane is the EXACT example, of what happens to people when they stop thinking about the greater good, and more for his own personal gain (yeah he loves Carl and Lori, but that's for his OWN selfish reasons because HE wants them, not actually because he has some deep seeded love for them. Hell he fucked Andrea in the car with NO hesitation, Yeah he must REALLY love Lori man). How anyone can support the maniac Shane and his crazed methods is beyond me but this episode is finally accelerating the plot between Rick and Shane, something I can't wait for. The Talking Dead also address how Otis was the one who was rallying the walkers into the barn alone, AND that sophia, went missing for 2-3 days BEFORE they ever even got to the farm, THEN carl got shot, and another day or two went by before Otis and Shane went off to find the medicine, and THEN Otis got capped by Shane, taking the knowledge of a dead little girl in the barn to the grave. So no, the Farm and Hershel knew nothing of her in the barn, and guess who's fault that is. OH, Shane. Yeah, killing an innocent man to survive is obviously leader skills man. Next time they're on the road, and some walkers come by, lets just throw T-dog to them so we can escape, then Carol, then Dale, then Glen. God, how people can defend Shane's psychotic 'leadership' is beyond me. shane isnt a leader, and never will be...he is a survivor...he will do whatever it takes to stay alive, i thought that was established already, while rick is the leader who would put himself in danger to save someone else rather than leave them behind....pretty sure that this was exactly what they were playing at with their different views on dealing with finding sophia | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
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