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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
They outnumber the farm inhabitants and have a huge number of guns, so if Hershel and the others don't want the group to stay, just kill them and enjoy your new farm. I think Shane would be the right one to carry out that unfortunate but necessary act, Rick doesn't have the balls to do what has to be done. | ||
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
(comics possible spoiler) + Show Spoiler + ...I loved the derailments from the comics so far. The twists on who lives/dies maintained the spirit of unpredictability from the books and all the re-writes gave more meaning to the characters. I had chills from this episode (and from Otis death and the Atlanta sequence). I can`t imagine how it will be like when the prison arc comes or when Shane dies. February is so far away, time to rewatch everything starting from season 1. : ) | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:08 UglyBastard wrote: Shane obviously did the right thing to keep the area safe, so they can settle there. If Hershel freaks out and wants them to leave, they can easily shoot him and never get bothered again. They outnumber the farm inhabitants and have a huge number of guns, so if Hershel and the others don't want the group to stay, just kill them and enjoy your new farm. I think Shane would be the right one to carry out that unfortunate but necessary act, Rick doesn't have the balls to do what has to be done. Seriously? I can't imagine anybody but Shane and possibly Dixon falling so low to agree with that course of action. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
And Shane is awesomE! Also not fully sure if all those episodes of build up were worth the 20 minutes of awesomeness :D. Least they can stop looking for sophia now finally ><. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On November 29 2011 07:27 DamnCats wrote: Was anyone else reminded of slow lings v. marines with stimpack in that last scene? :/ PS: GOD DAMN THIS SHOW OWNS Every time I see an episode I just want to play Left 4 Dead 2. Reminded me more of carriers vs stimmed marines, actually.  | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:41 Dreamer.T wrote: Is Dale dead? Just wondering. What the hell would make you think that? No, he's not dead... I'm pretty sure Shane just takes the guns and walks away, so unless he killed him off-screen afterwards in one of the worst fucking decisions in show production history, I'm pretty sure he's alive. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:46 Mordiford wrote: What the hell would make you think that? No, he's not dead... I'm pretty sure Shane just takes the guns and walks away, so unless he killed him off-screen afterwards in one of the worst fucking decisions in show production history, I'm pretty sure he's alive. he actually showed up at the end of the episode after all the zombies got their brains strewn across the dirt. he didnt look too happy | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:55 FrankWalls wrote: he actually showed up at the end of the episode after all the zombies got their brains strewn across the dirt. he didnt look too happy Didn't notice that, was too engrossed in what was going on. So yeah, there was nothing suggesting he was dead, weird question. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:08 slyboogie wrote: Dunno, I don't think it's a great show. It's a good show with a nice budget and a popular premise. But the characters are, in general, bad. The actors are pretty poor - not entirely their fault, except for Rick, I think he's just bad. The plot is meandering and I don't think that there is some kind of theme or message that the show runner is trying to get to the viewer. It might be: In a terrible world, terrible things happen? I think a lot of actors seemed bad because the script was terible for some episodes. Personally I thought acting wad a lot more tolerable the last couple of episodes. | ||
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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:08 UglyBastard wrote: Shane obviously did the right thing to keep the area safe, so they can settle there. If Hershel freaks out and wants them to leave, they can easily shoot him and never get bothered again. They outnumber the farm inhabitants and have a huge number of guns, so if Hershel and the others don't want the group to stay, just kill them and enjoy your new farm. I think Shane would be the right one to carry out that unfortunate but necessary act, Rick doesn't have the balls to do what has to be done. Yes, if you were a psycopath that's probably the best course of action. How the hell is killing herschel and anyone who refuses a 'necessary act'? Interesting how so many people are siding with shane whilst all I see is a guy slowly losing it (I agree with Dale). | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:24 Scarecrow wrote: Yes, if you were a psycopath that's probably the best course of action. How the hell is killing herschel and anyone who refuses a 'necessary act'? Interesting how so many people are siding with shane whilst all I see is a guy slowly losing it (I agree with Dale). There are some interesting comic observations in regard to characterization, particularly how Rick is in the comics now compared to how Shane is in the show now. I feel like like if Hershel insisted on them leaving the farm at this point, I'd definitely make it clear that we have the guns and make it known that we weren't leaving. It could most certainly reach a point where killing Hershel would become a necessary act but I'd make every effort to avoid that. I don't see how leaving to return to the cluster-fuck of the roads and the city would be any better, just because Hershel is a stubborn ass. There are definitely two camps in terms of viewers, some people seem to be on Dale's side and some people seem to be on team Shane, I'd say I'm sort of in the middle, leaning towards Rick but I also understand Shane's thought process and his little speech was pretty good too. Dale's character and viewpoint just doesn't work for me in a post apocalyptic world, first of all he's nosy and obnoxious, his outlook is just not made to last in that kind of a world. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:58 Mithriel wrote: I think a lot of actors seemed bad because the script was terible for some episodes. Personally I thought acting wad a lot more tolerable the last couple of episodes. Yeah, I don't blame the actors entirely. It's more on the fact that the writes can't/don't write good characters. Sarah Callies is really really bad as Lori. But that's partly because I haven't seen this show write a good strong female character yet. Rick is just bad. He has the best material - he's given monologues, rants, exclamations and speeches but he doesn't do it well. John Bertnhal is good as Shane; he certainly does unhinged and driven very well and I don't think he overacts. But those are main characters. Why is T-Dog even on the show? He's absolutely a product of tokenism. He started off as an object of Merle's blatant racism but Merle's gone and now T-Dog has no role. He's obviously an insecure character and something of an outsider, but nothing has been explored. I don't like the Dale character but that isn't Jeff DeMunn's fault. Glenn is enthusiastic and likable but shallow. Carol is completely insignificant. Andrea suffers from the strong woman on TV problem - people instinctively don't like her - again, not the actress's fault. Obviously, Darryl is a total badass, all I know about the actor is that he was a Boondock Saint. | ||
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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:24 Scarecrow wrote: Yes, if you were a psycopath that's probably the best course of action. How the hell is killing herschel and anyone who refuses a 'necessary act'? Interesting how so many people are siding with shane whilst all I see is a guy slowly losing it (I agree with Dale). It is necessary to secure the survival of the group. It's them or you, that simple. The farm is obviously the most safe haven available, so if Hershel refuses to provide, he has to be dealt with. I agree that killing him and his family is quite harsh, but it's not a happy world out there and hitting the road again is certainly not an option. Shane is a man that sees this clearly and is able to carry out extreme measures to protect the group (as we saw in this episode), while Rick can't get things done. I mean look at him, while Shane was trying to ACCOMPLISH something Rick was out with Hershel to catch zombies and bring them to the group. Seriously, Rick? Of course it does not have to go that far if Hershel simply surrenders the farm, so it would basically be his own choice. Not even talking about Hershel insanity and that killing him would basically put him out of his misery (he is not made for the world as it is now) and maybe free his family from his grasp, so they would possibly prefer joining the group (most intelligent choice) instead of being shot for the greater good. | ||
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Golem72
Canada127 Posts
Ps. Me and my friend have been thinking of writing a black survival guide with strict rules for apocalyptic situations! One of the rules are as follows: Should anyone lose their child and say that "we" have to search for their child because they lost them just tell 'em straight. No"YOU" have to look for your child! | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:46 Golem72 wrote: Lol for someone who studied film and can nearly predict everything. I was just surprised when my friend called it, the location of Sophia. I was sooo surprised we went on about it alll night! Ps. Me and my friend have been thinking of writing a black survival guide with strict rules for apocalyptic situations! One of the rules are as follows: Should anyone lose their child and say that "we" have to search for their child because they lost them just tell 'em straight. No"YOU" have to look for your child! There's already a book called the Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:37 UglyBastard wrote: It is necessary to secure the survival of the group. It's them or you, that simple. The farm is obviously the most safe haven available, so if Hershel refuses to provide, he has to be dealt with. I agree that killing him and his family is quite harsh, but it's not a happy world out there and hitting the road again is certainly not an option. Shane is a man that sees this clearly and is able to carry out extreme measures to protect the group (as we saw in this episode), while Rick can't get things done. I mean look at him, while Shane was trying to ACCOMPLISH something Rick was out with Hershel to catch zombies and bring them to the group. Seriously, Rick? Of course it does not have to go that far if Hershel simply surrenders the farm, so it would basically be his own choice. Not even talking about Hershel insanity and that killing him would basically put him out of his misery (he is not made for the world as it is now) and maybe free his family from his grasp, so they would possibly prefer joining the group (most intelligent choice) instead of being shot for the greater good. They clearly aren't going to stay at the farm. As desperate as Rick may be I don't think he's at the point where he could kill Hershel and his family in cold blood. My guess is that Hershel will ask them all to leave, and Rick (feeling bad that they went ahead and kill everyone in the barn anyways) will agree to it and leave. I'm sure Shane and everyone will be pissed, but they'll follow him. That or the farm will finally be over-run by zombies, enforcing that there is NO safe haven in this world. | ||
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TheTofuShop
United States57 Posts
My favorite part of the last episode was Glenn's speech to Maggie, I think Stephen Yuen is probably the best find in terms of talent on the show. As far as the farm being safe, we should all note that in a zombie apocalypse, Nowhere is "safe, only "safer" | ||
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dazed
Canada191 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:36 slyboogie wrote: Why is T-Dog even on the show? He's absolutely a product of tokenism. He started off as an object of Merle's blatant racism but Merle's gone and now T-Dog has no role. He's obviously an insecure character and something of an outsider, but nothing has been explored. I don't like the Dale character but that isn't Jeff DeMunn's fault. Glenn is enthusiastic and likable but shallow. Carol is completely insignificant. Andrea suffers from the strong woman on TV problem - people instinctively don't like her - again, not the actress's fault. Obviously, Darryl is a total badass, all I know about the actor is that he was a Boondock Saint. T-Dog is obviously around to show how different Darryl is from Merle. Sucks to be that actor tho. I don't even remember if he had a single line in the latest episode. Its like he's not even in the show. | ||
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