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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
and sorry n0ise, i wasn't trying to argue against you, i initially started posting to just agree with you, but then got carried away when thinking about all of the people who think shane is some sort of glorious leader. Also, if you stuck around for Talking Dead, It shows a preview of the next episode where Dale is talking to Lori about Shane. So no, absolutely not dead. | ||
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yakitate304
United States655 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:51 TheTofuShop wrote: To those complaining about the "meandering" storyline that sometimes cant decide how or when it wants to proceed, you should probably read the source material, Kirkman isnt the best writer, and it shows a bit in the show as well. From what I've been told, the show's plot is completely different from the comic. But I don't really care, I'll continue watching The Walking Dead because it's better than 75% of other TV shows. I just don't think it's particularly excellent and it never will be particularly excellent until the show runner decides what he or she wants to do with the plot. @dazed: Isn't it sad if the only reason you're on a television show is because of your race? Isn't that tokenism? | ||
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Setev
Malaysia390 Posts
On November 29 2011 09:37 UglyBastard wrote: It is necessary to secure the survival of the group. It's them or you, that simple. The farm is obviously the most safe haven available, so if Hershel refuses to provide, he has to be dealt with. I agree that killing him and his family is quite harsh, but it's not a happy world out there and hitting the road again is certainly not an option. Shane is a man that sees this clearly and is able to carry out extreme measures to protect the group (as we saw in this episode), while Rick can't get things done. I mean look at him, while Shane was trying to ACCOMPLISH something Rick was out with Hershel to catch zombies and bring them to the group. Seriously, Rick? Of course it does not have to go that far if Hershel simply surrenders the farm, so it would basically be his own choice. Not even talking about Hershel insanity and that killing him would basically put him out of his misery (he is not made for the world as it is now) and maybe free his family from his grasp, so they would possibly prefer joining the group (most intelligent choice) instead of being shot for the greater good. Meh, still not agree with killing H and family just to stay at the farm. I'd prefer to talk him out of it, convince him by hook or by crook, and if he won't budge, settle down anyways. And if H decides to shoot at us, THEN we kill him claiming self defense. Heck, his family might even side with us on this one. Either way, even in an apocalypse, we must still try to uphold virtues, which is essential for rebuilding of civilization. Being savage and psychopathic by killing everyone who doesn't agree sounds too Nazi for me. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
Carol would be a nice person to kill off too, but I heard they plan to introduce Tyrone in the 3rd season so she might serve as a love interest (not that anyone wants to see that). | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
They won't kill H and the family. But I believe that they will go on the move again soon. Sophia's dead now, it's been confirmed. She was the only reason that everyone had for staying behind and now that reason is gone, H's disposition towards the group has gone down the drain as well. Though H was being an idiot. I applaud Shane for having the balls to do what he did, he's starting to become my favourite character. Easily the best episode of this season so far, mind blowing-ly good. On November 29 2011 01:20 Elegy wrote: How exactly would they have put new zombies in the barn anyway? Just open the door a crack and shove them in??? Doesn't seem...particularly safe.... They must throw 'em down there like the chickens. | ||
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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
Here's how they do it in the comic + Show Spoiler + They actually open the door a crack and shove them in. When Hershel shows up with the new zombies seen in episode 7, he does it again, but this time it fails. The zombies break free and devour half of Hershel's family before Rick and the group manage to gun them down. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:06 Setev wrote: Meh, still not agree with killing H and family just to stay at the farm. I'd prefer to talk him out of it, convince him by hook or by crook, and if he won't budge, settle down anyways. And if H decides to shoot at us, THEN we kill him claiming self defense. Heck, his family might even side with us on this one. Either way, even in an apocalypse, we must still try to uphold virtues, which is essential for rebuilding of civilization. Being savage and psychopathic by killing everyone who doesn't agree sounds too Nazi for me. Just my 2 cents. What virtues exist in a zombie apocalypse? Is our old way of life the right way of life? That's a major theme for the comic, and the show. I like that the show kept Shane. Excellent episode, and definitely one of the best so far. I haven't been able to point out many dumb errors for a while now... I have a feeling it'll just get better and better. | ||
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dazed
Canada191 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:01 slyboogie wrote: @dazed: Isn't it sad if the only reason you're on a television show is because of your race? Isn't that tokenism? Even asian token is getting hot farmer daughter pussy! They must hate black people. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:06 Setev wrote: Meh, still not agree with killing H and family just to stay at the farm. I'd prefer to talk him out of it, convince him by hook or by crook, and if he won't budge, settle down anyways. And if H decides to shoot at us, THEN we kill him claiming self defense. Heck, his family might even side with us on this one. Either way, even in an apocalypse, we must still try to uphold virtues, which is essential for rebuilding of civilization. Being savage and psychopathic by killing everyone who doesn't agree sounds too Nazi for me. Just my 2 cents. You way has the potential of getting your own people killed. So you try to talk him out of it, he doesn't budge, you decide to keep your camp. One day, you're all just chilling and then half of Glen's head flies off, "Oh, I guess they're trying to get us off their land now". I'd be pretty uncomfortable next to someone who was armed and didn't want me there. Negotiations are all well and good, but sticking to the, "I'd wait so I could claim self defense" would certainly get people in your group killed. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:07 UglyBastard wrote: I hope that T-Dog will be at least decent zombie food. This season is really scarce on the bodycount (only Otis so far and he didn't matter that much), something that needs to be adjusted. Carol would be a nice person to kill off too, but I heard they plan to introduce Tyrone in the 3rd season so she might serve as a love interest (not that anyone wants to see that). Who the fuck is Tyrone? Do you mean Tyreese? That's another guy, I'm guessing you mean Michonne. I don't even think Tyrone is a girl's name. | ||
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dazed
Canada191 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:29 Mordiford wrote: Who the fuck is Tyrone? Do you mean Tyreese? That's another guy, I'm guessing you mean Michonne. I don't even think Tyrone is a girl's name. I remember reading that they plan to introduce both of them. Any woman who kills zombie using a fucking sword = instant win | ||
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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UglyBastard
Germany53 Posts
Very mild book spoiler: + Show Spoiler + Obviously Carol serves as a love interest to Tyreese, as they hook up in the comic. But on the other hand... comic Carol is rather hot and not so whiny, so who knows. About the "walkers": Obviously a derivate of the WALKING DEAD, so I don't see where the problem with that is. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:33 Congism wrote: Why do they call them walkers? Im lost on this point, they are ZOMBIES. In falling skies they called the giant armoured robots walkers aswell, how unimaginative am i supposed to believe these people are. If they called them Zombies, wouldn't that imply the universe in which the characters live in already has zombie literature/film, etc? it seems almost every zombie movie takes place in a world where the people have never heard of classic zombies...so calling them walkers makes sense, because they...walk! maybe I'm crazy | ||
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:36 Elegy wrote: If they called them Zombies, wouldn't that imply the universe in which the characters live in already has zombie literature/film, etc? it seems almost every zombie movie takes place in a world where the people have never heard of classic zombies...so calling them walkers makes sense, because they...walk! maybe I'm crazy It seems reasonable to name the zombies after their most defining characteristic, if you aren't just going to call them zombies. To me it appears that would be the fact they are undead/their only goal is to eat human flesh. | ||
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
Let's start with Rick. I think the very opening of the series sets up what type of character he is: he's a cop, a family man, a leader, etc. Some of his first lines are something like: "She said, 'sometimes I wonder if you even care about us at all?... I would never say something that cruel." I'm using these lines as an example because there's two things that I see going on with Rick's relationship with the audience lately. The first is that we wonder if he really does care about the family (and their safety) as much as Shane. The second thing that we see is that Rick is anything but cruel. He's a man of conscience (as Hershel said). He does what he thinks is just and moral. He holds ideas like the sanctity of life and the innocence of humans above all else (even survival). The complicating factor is that there's zombies everywhere and some of these principles are making choices harder. Then there's Shane. He only cares about two things: survival for himself and the Grimes family. The complicating factor is that he's throwing everything else by the wayside, including all those lofty principles I talked about before. I think the line where Dale says that Shane is meant for "this world" and the line where Shane says Rick isn't are watershed moments regarding some of the major themes going on. Rick is holding onto the principles which make him human even in the most difficult situations. Shane, on the other hand, has begun his descent into something else. You can tell by the way he walks. He's becoming a monster. All he cares about is: keep moving, keep surviving, and finding the next meal. In this regard, what separates him from the walking dead? If he loses his humanity, is he really alive at all? Some may argue that he wants Lori and Carl to himself, but is that really a principle? And what is he willing to do for that? What does is gain a man to profit the whole world, but lose his own soul? I think the whole thing is highly debateable, which is what makes the show so great. It makes you think about important questions and whether the ideas you hold are still valid in the worst of possible worlds. I don't mean to go and white-knight the whole situation, but as a kid from a military family and planning on going into the military himself, I think there are certain principles of humanity that should be placed above survival and above your own life like protection of the innocent, integrity, the law, etc.... all principles that Rick keeps fighting for. EDIT: Sorry about the wall of text, it just happens. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 29 2011 10:34 UglyBastard wrote: Yea I mean Tyreese, sorry, I was a bit confused by the multitude of stereotypical black names involved. + Show Spoiler [Comics beware] + Obviously Carol serves as a love interest to Tyreese, as they hook up in the comic. But on the other hand... comic Carol is rather hot and not so whiny, so who knows. About the "walkers": Obviously a derivate of the WALKING DEAD, so I don't see where the problem with that is. You might wanna take a look at the big red warning at the top of the page before posting again. | ||
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
 Need to watch the last half of season one, and all of season two. D: | ||
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