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Shane's sprint toward Rick and Hershel was the most intense running I've ever seen on t.v.
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On November 29 2011 06:42 ckw wrote:
I don't see how you could give credit to Herschel's situation. The virus KILLS the victim and then after you die it takes over some brain functions. Even if there were a cure what would it do, make the dead people not sick anymore?
My guess would be at least some if stems from his religious background and the desire to save sick "lost" souls if you will. He's also been almost completely isolated from the virus in general and probably hasn't seen much of the walkers besides occasional views of them in the barn, etc.
He's also really old.
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On November 29 2011 06:29 Elegy wrote:
How did Dale know the truth behind Shane and Otis? Is it just Dale assuming the story is bullshit because he doesn't trust Shane and thus can "read him", or are there unmentioned developments from the comics that deal with it?
He noticed Shane lining up his best friend Rick in the sights of his gun (I don't really remember when exactly this happened - when the wandering horde attacked their camp at the quarry in S1 iirc) and has had suspicions about him ever since. Knowing that information I think he had a read on Shane when he explained what happened w/Otis but wasn't 100% sure, so he decided to call him out and see how he reacted.
Judging by Dale's expression of shock after the initial confrontation, I think he either wasn't entirely sure of Shanes nature, was shocked by just how far Shane is willing to go, or both.
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On November 29 2011 01:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:53 PWNTAR wrote:
GREAAAAAAAAAATTT way to end the season at the mid point.
Does anyone know when the season picks up again? February, 2012. It's a short break, will probably feel like forever though.
Thanks!
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Sooooo glad this season ended with such episodes. I hated the start, but this episode was brilliant. Loving it. Wonder what herschel and shane will do
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On November 29 2011 06:48 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:42 ckw wrote:
I don't see how you could give credit to Herschel's situation. The virus KILLS the victim and then after you die it takes over some brain functions. Even if there were a cure what would it do, make the dead people not sick anymore? My guess would be at least some if stems from his religious background and the desire to save sick "lost" souls if you will. He's also been almost completely isolated from the virus in general and probably hasn't seen much of the walkers besides occasional views of them in the barn, etc. He's also really old. Possibly some of that, but I think it's more because he's just ignorant like they've said. Ignorant to a fault, maybe. Otis has done the 'dirty work' with the gun until now. He has been shielded (somehow, wandering mobs wtf?) from most of the worst that the rest of the group has seen, your loved one dying/coming back in your arms, feeling like you're going to die in a tank, seeing that key fall down the drain, etc. He just watched it on TV so he has just a tiny part of the real picture and is set in his ways. As he's the patriarch there isn't really any reason for him to change his ways. Rick has really challenged his beliefs I think because he sees him as a reasonable and moral man. He hasn't shown any inkling of changing yet.. we'll have to see. I figure if the group does end up leaving then Maggie (oh man, what a babe..) will leave with them because she is angry at her dad and genuinely cares about Glen. She doesn't seem to content to stick around forever like her old man seems to be.
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props to writers/actors for not fucking up the potentially greatest series of all time
looking forward to feb.
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Ahhh My brother is trying to force me to watch this xP Sounds interesting ^^
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The end was pretty good, thought it was more of Rick had to do it because he was the one who wanted to search for her and with her as a walker, he felt he had to finish the job. Shane would've done it tbh but I think he made Rick do it, just an opinion 
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Was anyone else reminded of slow lings v. marines with stimpack in that last scene? :/
PS: GOD DAMN THIS SHOW OWNS
Every time I see an episode I just want to play Left 4 Dead 2.
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Wait the season's over already?
lol that was fast D:
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last episode was pretty good, but it doesn't excuse the shit we had the rest of the season....
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On November 29 2011 07:27 blagoonga123 wrote:
Wait the season's over already?
lol that was fast D:
Only half over. Yesterday was the mid-season finale.
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On November 29 2011 07:27 blagoonga123 wrote:
Wait the season's over already?
lol that was fast D:
It was only the first half. There's another 6 or 7 episodes starting in February.
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On November 29 2011 06:33 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:27 Kazeyonoma wrote:On November 29 2011 02:14 n0ise wrote:On November 29 2011 01:07 Mordiford wrote:On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around. I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead. Haven't read the comics but a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe. b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options? Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn). There is no cure, I don't see how it would be reasonable to expect something to bring back the living dead. A vaccine wouldn't bring back those who have already turned. An alternative for what happened in the show is present in the comics. + Show Spoiler [Not a show spoiler. Comic alternative…] +In the comic, while Hershel is trying to rope a new zombie into the barn, they all break out and kill like half his family, this makes him realize that he was wrong about the Walkers. So yes, I feel that Hershel was being delusional and incredibly stupid for leaving a barn full of zombies 5 minutes away from camp. He would eventually have had too many in there to the point where they would break out, or have fucked up putting the new ones in there. Also, had Dale hidden the guns in the swamp and had Shane not stopped him, the group would have likely suffered devastating losses if the comic incident had occurred. As for Sophia, Shane was just being realistic. After the third day, I pretty much figured she'd either has to be dead or a complete fucking badass to survive out there alone. Considering that Sophia was pretty meek and not particularly impressive in dealing with zombies it was more than likely that she was dead. Thanks for the comic alternative, seems interesting. What you say is definitely the 'probable course of events' - my point was that as long as everyone is safe (and since they survived til now by themselves with just one man handling the family zombies, I suppose they'll be safe with guns and way more manpower), why not just fucking let Hershel have his way?! Especially after he's taken care of you, after you killed his relative/friend/whatever (Otis) and so on. Accepting the possibility of "living dead" [literally corpses functioning with zero organs, vaguely excepting the brain and a few senses] means precisely that it's perfectly reasonable to also expect that after years and years, maybe, just maybe, there's the slim chance of a complete cure. Add this to the fact that Hershel was religious, and there's obvious reason in him trying to still take care of his zombiefamily. "Just in case", as he might put it. Same for Sophia - obviously her chances are slim as f (basically her only hope being to run into something/someone), but as long as you have like 20% ground left to cover and you're in a safe spot anyway - why refuse her those chances? Moving on, about Shane losing control - I don't think he went that batshit as some people believe. He saw the killing of the zombies as a necessity, so he forced the hand of the people around him instead of calling in the Council of fucking Elrond, where Rick could've probably persuaded everyone that killing the barn off isn't really necessary. So WP on his part. This is how i feel. For someone who's trying to be a leader, he sure loses his cool and plays by emotion a lot. Sure they 'had it under control' because he gave guns to everyone, but isn't giving guns to everyone in a safe area ALREADY AN UNSAFE MOVE? Then putting everyone even if remotely in danger by unlocking a barn full of walkers. Yeah, that was obviously a 'leadership' move /sarcasm. To me, if you're a leader, you do what is RIGHT, what needs to be done, and that meant exhausting the search for sophia because if you move on, or stop the search, and then she turns up weeks/months later as a walker or dead, or worse, alive... how shitty do you feel for abandoning her. How do you sleep at night knowing you didn't give it your all trying to find her. This is about REAL people living in an apocalypse, NOT your gun slinging zombie massacre B rate movie that everyone keeps wanting this to be. THATS why everyone is loving shane right now, not because he's actually be a leader, or showing any morale compass, but because he's being that bad ass that everyone wants to be from playing 1 too many resident evil games. Go watch Dawn of the Dead a few more times and save us all the trouble of having to repeat ourselves over and over again about WHAT this series is about. Also, in the Talking Dead, they actually go into detail about how Rick steps up and takes control over the Sophia part because he IS the leader and had to make the hardest decision. Killing a bunch of nobodies is easy, killing a CHILD of your own group, THAT is what 'needed' to be done. Something Shane didn't do. He never let a single walker get within 10 feet of them, but he let her within 5 ft of the entire firing squad. He didn't have the balls to do it. The true 'apocalypse' isn't the zombies, it's about the loss of HUMANITY in people as this outbreak occurs, and shane is the EXACT example, of what happens to people when they stop thinking about the greater good, and more for his own personal gain (yeah he loves Carl and Lori, but that's for his OWN selfish reasons because HE wants them, not actually because he has some deep seeded love for them. Hell he fucked Andrea in the car with NO hesitation, Yeah he must REALLY love Lori man). How anyone can support the maniac Shane and his crazed methods is beyond me but this episode is finally accelerating the plot between Rick and Shane, something I can't wait for. The Talking Dead also address how Otis was the one who was rallying the walkers into the barn alone, AND that sophia, went missing for 2-3 days BEFORE they ever even got to the farm, THEN carl got shot, and another day or two went by before Otis and Shane went off to find the medicine, and THEN Otis got capped by Shane, taking the knowledge of a dead little girl in the barn to the grave. So no, the Farm and Hershel knew nothing of her in the barn, and guess who's fault that is. OH, Shane. Yeah, killing an innocent man to survive is obviously leader skills man. Next time they're on the road, and some walkers come by, lets just throw T-dog to them so we can escape, then Carol, then Dale, then Glen. God, how people can defend Shane's psychotic 'leadership' is beyond me. shane isnt a leader, and never will be...he is a survivor...he will do whatever it takes to stay alive, i thought that was established already, while rick is the leader who would put himself in danger to save someone else rather than leave them behind....pretty sure that this was exactly what they were playing at with their different views on dealing with finding sophia
There are people in this thread who are claiming Shane is the better leader, and that they'd follow him over Rick. That's what I was addressing, not anything story wise, I think story wise they're being very clear about who Rick is and who Shane is.
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I'm not sure what this show even wants to be. I know what I want it to be, basically a never ending zombie movie. Not some trite observance on the frailties of humanity in the face of catastrophe. Listen, this show does not have depth. Sorry. It's obvious that Shane is Jack, Rick is Ralph and Dale is Piggy. Andrea is some version of Roger and Carl is something like Simon, or eventually will be some subtle adequate balance of Rick and Shane.
I haven't read the comic, but I've heard people swear to its greatness and insight. It's time to just say that this show is not its source material and just enjoy the zombies and guns. Pew pew pew.
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On November 29 2011 07:31 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:33 unit wrote:On November 29 2011 06:27 Kazeyonoma wrote:On November 29 2011 02:14 n0ise wrote:On November 29 2011 01:07 Mordiford wrote:On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around. I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead. Haven't read the comics but a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe. b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options? Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn). There is no cure, I don't see how it would be reasonable to expect something to bring back the living dead. A vaccine wouldn't bring back those who have already turned. An alternative for what happened in the show is present in the comics. + Show Spoiler [Not a show spoiler. Comic alternative…] +In the comic, while Hershel is trying to rope a new zombie into the barn, they all break out and kill like half his family, this makes him realize that he was wrong about the Walkers. So yes, I feel that Hershel was being delusional and incredibly stupid for leaving a barn full of zombies 5 minutes away from camp. He would eventually have had too many in there to the point where they would break out, or have fucked up putting the new ones in there. Also, had Dale hidden the guns in the swamp and had Shane not stopped him, the group would have likely suffered devastating losses if the comic incident had occurred. As for Sophia, Shane was just being realistic. After the third day, I pretty much figured she'd either has to be dead or a complete fucking badass to survive out there alone. Considering that Sophia was pretty meek and not particularly impressive in dealing with zombies it was more than likely that she was dead. Thanks for the comic alternative, seems interesting. What you say is definitely the 'probable course of events' - my point was that as long as everyone is safe (and since they survived til now by themselves with just one man handling the family zombies, I suppose they'll be safe with guns and way more manpower), why not just fucking let Hershel have his way?! Especially after he's taken care of you, after you killed his relative/friend/whatever (Otis) and so on. Accepting the possibility of "living dead" [literally corpses functioning with zero organs, vaguely excepting the brain and a few senses] means precisely that it's perfectly reasonable to also expect that after years and years, maybe, just maybe, there's the slim chance of a complete cure. Add this to the fact that Hershel was religious, and there's obvious reason in him trying to still take care of his zombiefamily. "Just in case", as he might put it. Same for Sophia - obviously her chances are slim as f (basically her only hope being to run into something/someone), but as long as you have like 20% ground left to cover and you're in a safe spot anyway - why refuse her those chances? Moving on, about Shane losing control - I don't think he went that batshit as some people believe. He saw the killing of the zombies as a necessity, so he forced the hand of the people around him instead of calling in the Council of fucking Elrond, where Rick could've probably persuaded everyone that killing the barn off isn't really necessary. So WP on his part. This is how i feel. For someone who's trying to be a leader, he sure loses his cool and plays by emotion a lot. Sure they 'had it under control' because he gave guns to everyone, but isn't giving guns to everyone in a safe area ALREADY AN UNSAFE MOVE? Then putting everyone even if remotely in danger by unlocking a barn full of walkers. Yeah, that was obviously a 'leadership' move /sarcasm. To me, if you're a leader, you do what is RIGHT, what needs to be done, and that meant exhausting the search for sophia because if you move on, or stop the search, and then she turns up weeks/months later as a walker or dead, or worse, alive... how shitty do you feel for abandoning her. How do you sleep at night knowing you didn't give it your all trying to find her. This is about REAL people living in an apocalypse, NOT your gun slinging zombie massacre B rate movie that everyone keeps wanting this to be. THATS why everyone is loving shane right now, not because he's actually be a leader, or showing any morale compass, but because he's being that bad ass that everyone wants to be from playing 1 too many resident evil games. Go watch Dawn of the Dead a few more times and save us all the trouble of having to repeat ourselves over and over again about WHAT this series is about. Also, in the Talking Dead, they actually go into detail about how Rick steps up and takes control over the Sophia part because he IS the leader and had to make the hardest decision. Killing a bunch of nobodies is easy, killing a CHILD of your own group, THAT is what 'needed' to be done. Something Shane didn't do. He never let a single walker get within 10 feet of them, but he let her within 5 ft of the entire firing squad. He didn't have the balls to do it. The true 'apocalypse' isn't the zombies, it's about the loss of HUMANITY in people as this outbreak occurs, and shane is the EXACT example, of what happens to people when they stop thinking about the greater good, and more for his own personal gain (yeah he loves Carl and Lori, but that's for his OWN selfish reasons because HE wants them, not actually because he has some deep seeded love for them. Hell he fucked Andrea in the car with NO hesitation, Yeah he must REALLY love Lori man). How anyone can support the maniac Shane and his crazed methods is beyond me but this episode is finally accelerating the plot between Rick and Shane, something I can't wait for. The Talking Dead also address how Otis was the one who was rallying the walkers into the barn alone, AND that sophia, went missing for 2-3 days BEFORE they ever even got to the farm, THEN carl got shot, and another day or two went by before Otis and Shane went off to find the medicine, and THEN Otis got capped by Shane, taking the knowledge of a dead little girl in the barn to the grave. So no, the Farm and Hershel knew nothing of her in the barn, and guess who's fault that is. OH, Shane. Yeah, killing an innocent man to survive is obviously leader skills man. Next time they're on the road, and some walkers come by, lets just throw T-dog to them so we can escape, then Carol, then Dale, then Glen. God, how people can defend Shane's psychotic 'leadership' is beyond me. shane isnt a leader, and never will be...he is a survivor...he will do whatever it takes to stay alive, i thought that was established already, while rick is the leader who would put himself in danger to save someone else rather than leave them behind....pretty sure that this was exactly what they were playing at with their different views on dealing with finding sophia There are people in this thread who are claiming Shane is the better leader, and that they'd follow him over Rick. That's what I was addressing, not anything story wise, I think story wise they're being very clear about who Rick is and who Shane is.
Leadership has nothing to do with your personal morale compass. Leadership is the ability to enlist the aid of others to a common cause. By definition Shane acted as a leader. You might not like it, and you may have opposed him if in that situation, but righteousness has nothing, or very little, to do with leadership. History is filled with strong leaders who do not fill your personal requirements of leadership, and a strong case can actually be made for leadership requiring a lack of morality or wisdom as they necessitate indecisiveness and inactivity.
If I found myself in that situation I assume that I would not have agreed entirely with Shane's belief that we had to open the barn and gun down all the walkers in front of everyone to make a point. I expect that I would have been among the first to line up with him and start gunning them down though, and I wouldn't have felt any remorse for it. I think it was much safer for everyone, to form a walker firing squad and illustrate that that those things are inhuman. What Hershel was doing rounding them up like that was far more dangerous. Rick and that kid almost died trying to get that Walker out of the mud.
Don't interpret this as me believing Shane is better than Rick, or even as me believing that Rick is better than Shane. I am just saying that in that situation Shane was by definition a leader, and I would have followed his lead. I also expect that in the next episode rick will take Shane's side over Hershel's, even though he will be angry with Shane about how it happened.
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On November 29 2011 07:42 slyboogie wrote:
I'm not sure what this show even wants to be. I know what I want it to be, basically a never ending zombie movie. Not some trite observance on the frailties of humanity in the face of catastrophe. Listen, this show does not have depth. Sorry. It's obvious that Shane is Jack, Rick is Ralph and Dale is Piggy. Andrea is some version of Roger and Carl is something like Simon, or eventually will be some subtle adequate balance of Rick and Shane.
I haven't read the comic, but I've heard people swear to its greatness and insight. It's time to just say that this show is not its source material and just enjoy the zombies and guns. Pew pew pew.
That's just like, your opinion man.. I love the show and agree with Alice Cooper's last words when he phoned into the Talking Dead show, something to the effect of saying "I love that the zombies and guns are secondary here".
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On November 29 2011 07:31 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:33 unit wrote:On November 29 2011 06:27 Kazeyonoma wrote:On November 29 2011 02:14 n0ise wrote:On November 29 2011 01:07 Mordiford wrote:On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote:
It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around. I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead. Haven't read the comics but a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe. b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options? Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn). There is no cure, I don't see how it would be reasonable to expect something to bring back the living dead. A vaccine wouldn't bring back those who have already turned. An alternative for what happened in the show is present in the comics. + Show Spoiler [Not a show spoiler. Comic alternative…] +In the comic, while Hershel is trying to rope a new zombie into the barn, they all break out and kill like half his family, this makes him realize that he was wrong about the Walkers. So yes, I feel that Hershel was being delusional and incredibly stupid for leaving a barn full of zombies 5 minutes away from camp. He would eventually have had too many in there to the point where they would break out, or have fucked up putting the new ones in there. Also, had Dale hidden the guns in the swamp and had Shane not stopped him, the group would have likely suffered devastating losses if the comic incident had occurred. As for Sophia, Shane was just being realistic. After the third day, I pretty much figured she'd either has to be dead or a complete fucking badass to survive out there alone. Considering that Sophia was pretty meek and not particularly impressive in dealing with zombies it was more than likely that she was dead. Thanks for the comic alternative, seems interesting. What you say is definitely the 'probable course of events' - my point was that as long as everyone is safe (and since they survived til now by themselves with just one man handling the family zombies, I suppose they'll be safe with guns and way more manpower), why not just fucking let Hershel have his way?! Especially after he's taken care of you, after you killed his relative/friend/whatever (Otis) and so on. Accepting the possibility of "living dead" [literally corpses functioning with zero organs, vaguely excepting the brain and a few senses] means precisely that it's perfectly reasonable to also expect that after years and years, maybe, just maybe, there's the slim chance of a complete cure. Add this to the fact that Hershel was religious, and there's obvious reason in him trying to still take care of his zombiefamily. "Just in case", as he might put it. Same for Sophia - obviously her chances are slim as f (basically her only hope being to run into something/someone), but as long as you have like 20% ground left to cover and you're in a safe spot anyway - why refuse her those chances? Moving on, about Shane losing control - I don't think he went that batshit as some people believe. He saw the killing of the zombies as a necessity, so he forced the hand of the people around him instead of calling in the Council of fucking Elrond, where Rick could've probably persuaded everyone that killing the barn off isn't really necessary. So WP on his part. This is how i feel. For someone who's trying to be a leader, he sure loses his cool and plays by emotion a lot. Sure they 'had it under control' because he gave guns to everyone, but isn't giving guns to everyone in a safe area ALREADY AN UNSAFE MOVE? Then putting everyone even if remotely in danger by unlocking a barn full of walkers. Yeah, that was obviously a 'leadership' move /sarcasm. To me, if you're a leader, you do what is RIGHT, what needs to be done, and that meant exhausting the search for sophia because if you move on, or stop the search, and then she turns up weeks/months later as a walker or dead, or worse, alive... how shitty do you feel for abandoning her. How do you sleep at night knowing you didn't give it your all trying to find her. This is about REAL people living in an apocalypse, NOT your gun slinging zombie massacre B rate movie that everyone keeps wanting this to be. THATS why everyone is loving shane right now, not because he's actually be a leader, or showing any morale compass, but because he's being that bad ass that everyone wants to be from playing 1 too many resident evil games. Go watch Dawn of the Dead a few more times and save us all the trouble of having to repeat ourselves over and over again about WHAT this series is about. Also, in the Talking Dead, they actually go into detail about how Rick steps up and takes control over the Sophia part because he IS the leader and had to make the hardest decision. Killing a bunch of nobodies is easy, killing a CHILD of your own group, THAT is what 'needed' to be done. Something Shane didn't do. He never let a single walker get within 10 feet of them, but he let her within 5 ft of the entire firing squad. He didn't have the balls to do it. The true 'apocalypse' isn't the zombies, it's about the loss of HUMANITY in people as this outbreak occurs, and shane is the EXACT example, of what happens to people when they stop thinking about the greater good, and more for his own personal gain (yeah he loves Carl and Lori, but that's for his OWN selfish reasons because HE wants them, not actually because he has some deep seeded love for them. Hell he fucked Andrea in the car with NO hesitation, Yeah he must REALLY love Lori man). How anyone can support the maniac Shane and his crazed methods is beyond me but this episode is finally accelerating the plot between Rick and Shane, something I can't wait for. The Talking Dead also address how Otis was the one who was rallying the walkers into the barn alone, AND that sophia, went missing for 2-3 days BEFORE they ever even got to the farm, THEN carl got shot, and another day or two went by before Otis and Shane went off to find the medicine, and THEN Otis got capped by Shane, taking the knowledge of a dead little girl in the barn to the grave. So no, the Farm and Hershel knew nothing of her in the barn, and guess who's fault that is. OH, Shane. Yeah, killing an innocent man to survive is obviously leader skills man. Next time they're on the road, and some walkers come by, lets just throw T-dog to them so we can escape, then Carol, then Dale, then Glen. God, how people can defend Shane's psychotic 'leadership' is beyond me. shane isnt a leader, and never will be...he is a survivor...he will do whatever it takes to stay alive, i thought that was established already, while rick is the leader who would put himself in danger to save someone else rather than leave them behind....pretty sure that this was exactly what they were playing at with their different views on dealing with finding sophia There are people in this thread who are claiming Shane is the better leader, and that they'd follow him over Rick. That's what I was addressing, not anything story wise, I think story wise they're being very clear about who Rick is and who Shane is.
Hmm. Not sure where you are coming off with the "leadership" thingy and mass capses when quoting me, since we pretty much stand on the same side of the fence. But yeah, again, I don't find much sense in Shane's decisions, and I honestly doubt anyone in the group will accept him as a new leader. I was actually a bit surprised no one stepped up in the barn scene to tell him to chill the fuck - but I suppose it can be explained due to shock and other factors.
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On November 29 2011 07:58 below66 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 07:42 slyboogie wrote:
I'm not sure what this show even wants to be. I know what I want it to be, basically a never ending zombie movie. Not some trite observance on the frailties of humanity in the face of catastrophe. Listen, this show does not have depth. Sorry. It's obvious that Shane is Jack, Rick is Ralph and Dale is Piggy. Andrea is some version of Roger and Carl is something like Simon, or eventually will be some subtle adequate balance of Rick and Shane.
I haven't read the comic, but I've heard people swear to its greatness and insight. It's time to just say that this show is not its source material and just enjoy the zombies and guns. Pew pew pew. That's just like, your opinion man.. I love the show and agree with Alice Cooper's last words when he phoned into the Talking Dead show, something to the effect of saying "I love that the zombies and guns are secondary here".
Dunno, I don't think it's a great show. It's a good show with a nice budget and a popular premise. But the characters are, in general, bad. The actors are pretty poor - not entirely their fault, except for Rick, I think he's just bad. The plot is meandering and I don't think that there is some kind of theme or message that the show runner is trying to get to the viewer. It might be: In a terrible world, terrible things happen?
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