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goody153
44282 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:12 maximrobi wrote: Can't understand why didn't Liquid give a lane of racks and play it safe with a split pushing Tinker... Sccc didn't have buyback. They pick him off and the game is kinda over. newbee wasn't really that behind .. they just played defensive | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:10 clusen wrote: That's literally where the name comes from, picking heroes which give you a movement speed advantage. "Now as to the distinction, they are very distinct. Facerush requires the ability to tank towers and kill heroes repeatedly under the tower. You draft mobile, bursty heroes or tanky heroes for this. The playstyle must be very aggressive, sometimes suicidal." No, it doesn't. One of those facerush IG games, IG had Doom, Venge, Shadow Shaman, Nyx and Ember Spirit. In another one they picked Clockwerk. In Dota 1 this was considered face rush by IG: https://imgur.com/urC0o Look at IG heroes, DK(!), Chen(!), Lycan, Panda and Shadow Shaman. So, as I said, facerush is all about diving your opponents, getting kills, then taking down towers. Heroes that are good at that are mobile or tanky heroes. They don't necessarily have to be rushy, but they can. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:16 Ramiz1989 wrote: "Now as to the distinction, they are very distinct. Facerush requires the ability to tank towers and kill heroes repeatedly under the tower. You draft mobile, bursty heroes or tanky heroes for this. The playstyle must be very aggressive, sometimes suicidal." No, it doesn't. One of those facerush IG games, IG had Doom, Venge, Shadow Shaman, Nyx and Ember Spirit. In another one they picked Clockwerk. In Dota 1 this was considered face rush by IG: https://imgur.com/urC0o Look at IG heroes, DK(!), Chen(!), Lycan, Panda and Shadow Shaman. So, as I said, facerush is all about diving your opponents, getting kills, then taking down towers. Heroes that are good at that are mobile or tanky heroes. They don't necessarily have to be rushy, but they can. hey guys Newbee just won in case you two didnt notice | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Liquid blinking escape method juz doesnt work for them this time, Disruptor juz pull them back to the circle, lol | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:20 Shergal wrote: how is DK not a rush hero, did people forget about VG pushing base using that hero (and even Luna) under 10 minutes back in 2014 As I said, the epitome of facerush for me, the hero is fast in Dragon form, extremely tanky, has a stun, push towers quite easily. That guy is just misinformed on what the facerush is. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:23 Ramiz1989 wrote: As I said, the epitome of facerush for me, the hero is fast in Dragon form, extremely tanky, has a stun, push towers quite easily. That guy is just misinformed on what the facerush is. it'll always be a shame that western dota fans got their egos so hurt by VG's fast push strat in TI4 to the point they forced the frog to change the whole game against it, because it was fucking beautiful and pretty out of line compared to what "the meta" was at the time | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:26 Shergal wrote: it'll always be a shame that western dota fans got their egos so hurt by VG's fast push strat in TI4 to the point they forced the frog to change the whole game against it, because it was fucking beautiful and pretty out of line compared to what "the meta" was at the time no idea what you're talking about. deathball was the meta. people got butthurt by the final they forgot EG also spam the same strat | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:26 Shergal wrote: it'll always be a shame that western dota fans got their egos so hurt by VG's fast push strat in TI4 to the point they forced the frog to change the whole game against it, because it was fucking beautiful and pretty out of line compared to what "the meta" was at the time Well meta changes all the time from patch to patch, it's not about western dota fans, meta changes after every TI with big patch, no matter if you like it or not. And TI4 was horrible for me and its whole meta, that deathball fast push was painful to watch, every game being the same, the same 20-30 heroes being drafted every game, and every game lasted for like 25 minutes max IIRC. | ||
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IndyO
392 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:26 Shergal wrote: it'll always be a shame that western dota fans got their egos so hurt by VG's fast push strat in TI4 to the point they forced the frog to change the whole game against it, because it was fucking beautiful and pretty out of line compared to what "the meta" was at the time Yeah I always feel like the finals changed the way people remembered TI4. Deathball was no doubt the superior strat, but not everyone was running it and there were plenty of good games. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:31 Ramiz1989 wrote: Well meta changes all the time from patch to patch, it's not about western dota fans, meta changes after every TI with big patch, no matter if you like it or not. And TI4 was horrible for me and its whole meta, that deathball fast push was painful to watch, every game being the same, the same 20-30 heroes being drafted every game, and every game lasted for like 25 minutes max IIRC. TI2 avg length: 35:49 TI3 avg length: 35:50 TI4 avg length: 38:08 TI5 avg length: 40:35 TI6 avg length: 39:39 TI7 avg length: 40:59 as i said, western babby hurt egos | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:41 Shergal wrote: TI2 avg length: 35:49 TI3 avg length: 35:50 TI4 avg length: 38:08 TI5 avg length: 40:35 TI6 avg length: 39:39 TI7 avg length: 40:59 as i said, western babby hurt egos now show average length of VG's games | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:41 Shergal wrote: TI2 avg length: 35:49 TI3 avg length: 35:50 TI4 avg length: 38:08 TI5 avg length: 40:35 TI6 avg length: 39:39 TI7 avg length: 40:59 as i said, western babby hurt egos Whats wrong with you man? He just said he didnt like the Meta, what does that have to do with him being Western? I also didnt like it, has nothing to do with a Chinese team winning in the end. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:41 Shergal wrote: TI2 avg length: 35:49 TI3 avg length: 35:50 TI4 avg length: 38:08 TI5 avg length: 40:35 TI6 avg length: 39:39 TI7 avg length: 40:59 as i said, western babby hurt egos Yeah, you included every single game and a ton of them used different strategies. Nice try. Now go again and get the average game length of the finals, to see your amazing 4 games that in total didn't last for more than hour and a half. Need a reminder? Take a look:  The International/2014 We had a 17 min game and 15 min game for fuck sake. I see the same or even worse bias from you actually, you somehow think that those strategies were unique, and as someone that played Dota from 2005, I've seen them a bunch of times, they just weren't that dominant and meta defining. And they are terrible from spectators point of view. I couldn't care less if Na`Vi, EG, Liquid or any other team won the TI4 with deathball push, strategy sucked ass, end of story. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:48 hunter_x wrote: Whats wrong with you man? He just said he didnt like the Meta, what does that have to so with him being Western? I also didnt like it, has nothing to do with a Chinese team winning in the end. to stop talking about anyone in particular, many people's idea of what the meta was is completely incorrect and clouded by gut-reaction to the finals. i was there thinking the same stuff i'm saying now when that happened, so i remember it pretty well since i also followed that season closer than any other | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:54 Shergal wrote: to stop talking about anyone in particular, many people's idea of what the meta was is completely incorrect and clouded by gut-reaction to the finals. i was there thinking the same stuff i'm saying now when that happened, so i remember it pretty well since i also followed that season closer than any other No, of course the meta wasn't deathball, deathball happened during the TI4 by VG that showed everyone else what superior strategy was, and then everybody and their grandma started doing it. Soon after we didn't have a single fucking game that lasted for more than 25-30 min, and everybody, including the pros, was praying for patch to come as soon as possible, cause people didn't enjoy playing it, nor watching it. | ||
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