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On August 12 2016 05:42 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:
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Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways
more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly It's timber job to take the risky farm, even ice^3 died a lot in that game 1 against EG and end up on top of the networth chart 10 minutes later. Blaming it all one one player when your argument is based on them having a single ulti with more than 2 minutes of downtime...
He died 4 times early game. 4 times early game that's not even counting those feeds he did midgame. And he's a fucking timbersaw it's understandable if he died once or twice but 4 times is too much.
also single ult is not only my argument a not stomped axe/timber and alch(really tanky cores with no clear single target damage by DC) during his manta/octarine/radiance timing is not gonna die to a not super farmed ember/void/magnus
i should really stop replying i have to sleep
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On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
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Alchemist against AA is a draft auto lose.
3 melee cores against void-et-at-magnus-ember is draft auto lose Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly
"What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins. If the question is, "What does a really farmed alchemist enable for Tnc vs DC?" then the answer is nothing.
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On August 12 2016 05:46 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:42 nojok wrote:On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:
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i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly It's timber job to take the risky farm, even ice^3 died a lot in that game 1 against EG and end up on top of the networth chart 10 minutes later. Blaming it all one one player when your argument is based on them having a single ulti with more than 2 minutes of downtime... He died 4 times early game. 4 times early game that's not even counting those feeds he did midgame. And he's a fucking timbersaw it's understandable if he died once or twice but 4 times is too much. also single ult is not only my argument a not stomped axe/timber and alch(really tanky cores with no clear single target damage by DC) during his manta/octarine/radiance timing is not gonna die to a not super farmed ember/void/magnus i should really stop replying i have to sleep
Alche is not tanky when there is an AA.
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On August 12 2016 05:46 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:On August 12 2016 05:08 goody153 wrote:
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Not if you have silencer and 3 tanky cores with an ember as the main damage dealer on the other side but it's TNC's fault why they are in this situation anyways
more like kuku's fault feeding bot 4 times laning phase i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly "What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins.
Then TNC would've enough leverage to have tanky cores with dc not having any clear single target damage
A farmed alch is gonna run over DC if DC doesn't get a good AA iceblast and that's even assuming the other cores don't do anything. I literally said multiple times DC wouldn't have enough damage
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tnc is getting outplayed so hard
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That 6k guy from playdota was right, Saksa is a star
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DC showing how to play against Alch. Kuku can't get shit this game.
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On August 12 2016 05:48 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:46 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:10 Kabras wrote:
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i mean silencer's good but that's 1 ult. dc have 4 ults and it only takes one to force out the global. a good one, which they only got at 40 mins. You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly "What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins. Then TNC would've enough leverage to have tanky cores with dc not having any clear single target damage
Tanky cores that do what? Fight? DC chooses when to fight. Push? They have terrible push. Take rosh? Nope.
At least Tnc have a terrorblade with their alchemist this game so they can actually push.
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Haha, SamH TP'd up because he assumed there must be a big dive of 3+ heroes because why on Earth would Misery dive in there by himself?
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Moonlight Shadow + Iron Shell. Ouch.
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Oh must be so sad right now
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On August 12 2016 05:50 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 05:48 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:46 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 12 2016 05:12 goody153 wrote:
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You guys are thinking of DC's lineup at this situation and not when they were even, In an even situation with TNC and kuku not going full retard ember who isn't super like this game is not gonna kill anything. In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either. It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking. No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back? On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek. So, try again. ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh? In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind. They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind. but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly "What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins. Then TNC would've enough leverage to have tanky cores with dc not having any clear single target damage Tanky cores that do what? Fight? DC chooses when to fight? Push? They have terrible push. Take rosh? Nope. At least Tnc have a terrorblade with their alchemist this game so they can actually push.
Axe/timber/alchemist can kill people ? did you forget they can do damage lol
again you are not listening ember only did that much damage because they were ahead by so much(he has a fucking rapier of course he's gonna deal damage to alchemist) .. in a normal timing scenario ember is not gonna have enough single target damage to alchemist in his peak.
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It's actually ridiculous how much of a liability Alchemist is to a team
Need to secure bounty runes, stacks, laning farm, and all these things can be abused so easily
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Maybe teams will stop picking alch now at least
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I believe in the power of terrorblade and Sam's chronos
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On August 12 2016 05:51 Talin wrote:
It's actually ridiculous how much of a liability Alchemist is to a team
Need to secure bounty runes, stacks, laning farm, and all these things can be abused so easily
and even if he gets all those things he buys radi+manta+octameme and completely fails to be threatening so he ends up being a big bag of gold for the enemy team to collect any time they want
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I still can't get over how ugly the SK immortal crown is. He looks like Doom's pet dog. And not a husky... an extra chromosome skin shedding chihuahua
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On August 12 2016 05:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I believe in the power of terrorblade and Sam's chronos
This tb is gonna get darude sandstormed + wall later
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