EPTOn August 12 2016 05:51 goody153 wrote:
Axe/timber/alchemist can kill people ? did you forget they can do damage lol
again you are not listening ember only did that much damage because they were ahead by so much(he has a fucking rapier of course he's gonna deal damage to alchemist) .. in a normal timing scenario ember is not gonna have enough single target damage to alchemist in his peak.
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On August 12 2016 05:50 Kishin2 wrote:
Tanky cores that do what? Fight? DC chooses when to fight? Push? They have terrible push. Take rosh? Nope.
At least Tnc have a terrorblade with their alchemist this game so they can actually push.
On August 12 2016 05:48 goody153 wrote:
Then TNC would've enough leverage to have tanky cores with dc not having any clear single target damage
On August 12 2016 05:46 Kishin2 wrote:
"What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins.
On August 12 2016 05:36 goody153 wrote:
In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind.
They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol
The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind.
but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly
On August 12 2016 05:31 Kishin2 wrote:
Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh?
On August 12 2016 05:21 goody153 wrote:
ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered
it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around
oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame
btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too
On August 12 2016 05:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back?
I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek.
So, try again.
On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game
On August 12 2016 05:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
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In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either.
It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking.
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In an even situation you don't have Magnus moving out people out of RP either.
It was even game in a sense of both teams sucking.
No it wasn't even at all lol what were you watching ember was fatter than alchemist when do that ever happen in an even game
The game i was watching had Alchemist with 12k gold lead at ~30 minutes, what are you talking about? About time when Alchemist gave away 3 aghs and died back?
On August 12 2016 05:14 goody153 wrote:
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl
Empower + ember only looks sick when the cores are squishy fuck and ember is super ahead which is the case this game. Try that in a normal game.
If that was juggernaut/AM + magnus then i'd accept your reason but not ember rofl
I play ember with 3 BFs when i play ember, i know the value of raw cleave, especially against Manta Alchemist kek.
So, try again.
ROFL you are literally only basing it on one situation it's as if ember is free from the fight and his only job is to wait for alchemist to pop manta and he'll never be bothered
it's as if alchemist is always clumping his manta with him when ember is around
oh yeah you are also assuming that ember has a rapier + daedalus + battlefury by the time alchemist gets manta + octarine+ radiance lololol good luck getting those items to prove your point that he deals that much damage to alch at that time frame
btw you are not gonna do shit damage to alch with 3 bf's if he's alone .. oh yeah i play ember too
Let's suppose Tnc actually got an early game advantage with their draft. Then what? Are they going to push towers? No, their heroes don't do that. Are they going to kill DC's heroes constantly and snowball? No, their heroes don't do that. No matter what it was DC who could control if, when, and where fights happen while Tnc's best case scenario of winning the early game enables them to... farm jungle stacks and ancient stacks? And not even be able to take rosh?
In that game where they were behind alchemist managed to farm, alch managed to get 6 slot in 30 minutes. What if TNC wasn't behind.
They have an axe and timber who could go in and a silencer that could back them up. They could even do the illusion siege with just the alch, that alch would've had items faster and DC would've never had enough tools and ember wouldn't shit even with cleave against an alch that fat backed up with silencer ult and a tanky axe/timber who DC outside the heroes ember has no damage in dealing against them. Like all they had to do was not go 1 by 1 and not clump that's it and i doubt axe/timber/alchemist can be killed by void/magnus like have you seen timber getting soloed by a void who only has vlads lol
The only reason DC managed to crush people and not get run over was that timber was underfarmed and feeding like an idiot and ember is overfarmed thanks to timber. I don't think ember is gonna kill anything with even farm or especially behind.
but that games over , though i can definitely agree DC won that game convincingly
"What if Tnc won the early game?" is the scenario I considered in my argument and DC still wins.
Then TNC would've enough leverage to have tanky cores with dc not having any clear single target damage
Tanky cores that do what? Fight? DC chooses when to fight? Push? They have terrible push. Take rosh? Nope.
At least Tnc have a terrorblade with their alchemist this game so they can actually push.
Axe/timber/alchemist can kill people ? did you forget they can do damage lol
again you are not listening ember only did that much damage because they were ahead by so much(he has a fucking rapier of course he's gonna deal damage to alchemist) .. in a normal timing scenario ember is not gonna have enough single target damage to alchemist in his peak.
I'm not convinced you're understanding what I'm writing. Oh well. Agree to disagree.
