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On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china
You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it.
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On March 02 2016 18:44 Elurie wrote:
"Enjoy the pause!" - kotlguy.
FIRED
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is 10 min pause before start now obligatory ?
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On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it.
I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game"
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On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it.
What!? So we can't say America's decent at American football when basically no one else plays it? What does that make NFL/superbowl then?
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On March 02 2016 18:45 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game"
I'm not talking about Warcraft 3 not being an eSport. I'm talking about it not being a current game internationally. You want to argue that it is current for China, okay, but then you can't say China is a top region in it because there are no other regions.
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On March 02 2016 18:47 Eetee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. What!? So we can't say America's decent at American football when basically no one else plays it? What does that make NFL/superbowl then?
You could say it but it is an useless statement. When no other region plays a sport/eSport, there is no way to measure your region's skill.
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On March 02 2016 18:45 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game"
He is trying to make a point that China are not competitive in the international stage when facing competition , you are saying they are the best at the game they are playing alone , its not the same discussion even....
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On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at?
now that's unfair... until recently 2015-2016 they were almost always 2nd to best in all the major genres they participate in while the game was current.
dota2 they only really fall off i would say after the rise of PPD's EG 2015-2016
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These pauses are unreal what issue would constantly resurface like this.
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On March 02 2016 18:47 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:45 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game" I'm not talking about Warcraft 3 not being an eSport. I'm talking about it not being a current game internationally. You want to argue that it is current for China, okay, but then you can't say China is a top region in it because there are no other regions.
You just changed the question that I was answering. Someone asked which esport china is good at and WC3 is definitely an answer.
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>Arguing with Azarkon
>2016
nevermind it's okay, the game is fucking paused.
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On March 02 2016 18:47 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:45 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:On March 02 2016 18:28 Khz wrote:
Honestly can someone more invested in the scene explain what's going on with chinese dota? I'm just curious why there seems to be no new talent breaking out, which was mentioned in some interview. At least I was under the impression that playing for a chinese team pays off financially. My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea... dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent. Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game" I'm not talking about Warcraft 3 not being an eSport. I'm talking about it not being a current game internationally. You want to argue that it is current for China, okay, but then you can't say China is a top region in it because there are no other regions.
You started this discussion by saying "Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at?"
At this point, people name wc3.
Then you claim you were talking only about "international games". But clearly, you were not.
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I'll bet this pause will be 25% as long as the actual game time.
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On March 02 2016 18:50 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
>Arguing with Azarkon
>2016
Without him these threads wouldn't be half as fun.
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how are they good at wc3?
they were getting rekt by korea when korea was still popular with brood war
now if you want to make a case that they were good compare to west
then pretty much china has always > west until recently.
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PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE
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On March 02 2016 18:50 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:47 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:45 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:43 lolnoty wrote:On March 02 2016 18:41 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 02 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 18:35 CrazyBirdman wrote:On March 02 2016 18:34 haduken wrote:
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My bro in law from China mentioned that in China if you go pro gaming, LoL attracts far more talents than dota (financial wise) ... as to why they also suck in LoL i have no idea...
dota in china from my understanding is an old boys club... the top teams rarely promotes or find new kids to mentor... now that the old boys are getting old... losing form or retiring or streaming... the problem is apparent.
Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at? No. They're pretty good at Hearthstone from what I remember, though they also have expertise in mobile game rip-offs of Dota and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is not an eSport. It's a card game. And they have issues even there: http://www.heroes.gosucup.com/hearthstone/news/33872-tiddlercelestial-the-chinese-players-are-far-less-professional-than-the-othersWarcraft 3 is not a current game. Bringing up Warcraft 3 is equivalent to bringing up Dota 1. That's all in the past. Define esports in a way where WC3 isn't one in china You can't say "China is decent at this game" when no one else plays it. I definitely can though... please explain how if a game is mostly local its not an esport or "current game" I'm not talking about Warcraft 3 not being an eSport. I'm talking about it not being a current game internationally. You want to argue that it is current for China, okay, but then you can't say China is a top region in it because there are no other regions. You started this discussion by saying "Is there an E-Sport China is actually really good at?" At this point, people name wc3. Then you claim you were talking only about "international games". But clearly, you were not.
Because the statement that they're decent at Warcraft 3 is completely useless. It's an answer that isn't an answer.
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On March 02 2016 18:51 mutantmagnet wrote:
I'll bet this pause will be 25% as long as the actual game time.
I'm not sure if this is optimism or pessimism.
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