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On September 03 2012 16:47 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On September 03 2012 16:40 Canas wrote:
Well puppey has said that dendi plays rubick far more and far better than anyone else in the team, so they just give the rubick to him, and dendi simply doesn't play the 4 or 5 role, which means he's always going to be soloing, so I guess that could be considered a flaw in their play.
If AA played rubick, they could give invoker to dendi or something (assuming they could pull a draft like that off), which would also allow them to draft differently, seeing how na'vi banned invoker pretty much every single game they played. Honestly in the last game the easiest way to do it might have been letting Dendi take the Nyx Assassin and putting Puppey back on the Rubick. That would have strengthened their trilane bottom and put NA in a position to get some fast levels and threaten squishier heroes like KotL. iG really hit in game 3 and 4 on the real weakness of Na'Vi - you don't counter-ban Dendi or XBOCT or Light, you counterban Puppey, because when he's forced to play a conventional laning role he's a much weaker player. This metagame limits his hero pool drastically; he's basically stuck with Tide and junglers. Once those are gone you have a weak link to pick on. What? In the last game they had everyone on completely unconventional heroes basically. Puppey/XBOCT being on their non traditional heroes (Jugg was the pusher not in the 1 position) fucked their team so bad it was hilarious. Without XBOCT being the 1 / hard carry on his team, he is so much weaker it is hilarious. Puppey also is much weaker outside the jungle too as you stated. LOH was on 1 and did his job, but even that is not his traditional role on this particular team. Only Dendi was the one on a role he was familiar with, and he was getting crapped on by ganks from iG who were head hunting him in order to keep him down.
LoH played the 1 role in a bunch of great teams with many of the same players for years, so him being the farmer is old hat. Puppey was a support stunner, Dendi soloed mid, Ars-Art had his Leshrac... Really it was only XBOCT who was out of place. I think the bigger factor was misallocation of heroes. My suggestion was basically to play Rubick as the 5 and Nyx as the 2, rather than vice versa, Put Dendi solo mid on the NA and Puppey in the trilane bottom on the Rubick. You decrease your chances of getting those miracle Ravage-steals, but you have a much stronger trilane and get fast levels on Nyx, letting that hero be an effective ganker.
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On September 03 2012 16:50 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:45 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On September 03 2012 16:40 Canas wrote:
Well puppey has said that dendi plays rubick far more and far better than anyone else in the team, so they just give the rubick to him, and dendi simply doesn't play the 4 or 5 role, which means he's always going to be soloing, so I guess that could be considered a flaw in their play.
If AA played rubick, they could give invoker to dendi or something (assuming they could pull a draft like that off), which would also allow them to draft differently, seeing how na'vi banned invoker pretty much every single game they played. Honestly in the last game the easiest way to do it might have been letting Dendi take the Nyx Assassin and putting Puppey back on the Rubick. That would have strengthened their trilane bottom and put NA in a position to get some fast levels and threaten squishier heroes like KotL. iG really hit in game 3 and 4 on the real weakness of Na'Vi - you don't counter-ban Dendi or XBOCT or Light, you counterban Puppey, because when he's forced to play a conventional laning role he's a much weaker player. This metagame limits his hero pool drastically; he's basically stuck with Tide and junglers. Once those are gone you have a weak link to pick on. Pretty good analysis, they took out lycan, chen and enchant, and then I was left wondering wth would puppey do, that nyx did nothing, but I didn't talk much about it because jugger had a much more important role and xboct isn't that good even when playing the heroes he is supposed to be good at.
Lycan, Chen and Enchantress were also banned in the third game, leaving Puppey on the Rubick. I think that was a reaction to his Chen in game 2, which was fantastic.
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The milion dollar bonus rumor from the team turned out not to be true if you are to believe the players themself.
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On September 03 2012 16:40 Canas wrote:
Well puppey has said that dendi plays rubick far more and far better than anyone else in the team, so they just give the rubick to him, and dendi simply doesn't play the 4 or 5 role, which means he's always going to be soloing, so I guess that could be considered a flaw in their play.
If AA played rubick, they could give invoker to dendi or something (assuming they could pull a draft like that off), which would also allow them to draft differently, seeing how na'vi banned invoker pretty much every single game they played.
All teams have limitations. Dendi being the only one on Na'Vi able to play a great Rubick is Na'Vi's. I was WHOA when Puppey gave himself support Rubick but that game showed how lulz Rubick is when not played by Dendi mid solo, same with Pudge.
For Na'Vi, I think they needed to get LoH - who is a great farmer and off laner - to play DK instead of Dendi. That way you give Dendi Rubick and then offlane DK on LoH. But that game Na'Vi was just not going to win because they picked a split push strat against Disruptor and Disruptor just crushes all their escape mechanisms.
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Valve's issues with the number 3 gets me scared, TI3 might fall under Valve Time and come out after HL3
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I can't believe I'm actually getting withdrawals...the only other thing that gives me this feeling is when NFL season ends.
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On September 03 2012 16:57 YoucriedWolf wrote:
The milion dollar bonus rumor from the team turned out not to be true if you are to believe the players themself.
source?
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On September 03 2012 16:58 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:40 Canas wrote:
Well puppey has said that dendi plays rubick far more and far better than anyone else in the team, so they just give the rubick to him, and dendi simply doesn't play the 4 or 5 role, which means he's always going to be soloing, so I guess that could be considered a flaw in their play.
If AA played rubick, they could give invoker to dendi or something (assuming they could pull a draft like that off), which would also allow them to draft differently, seeing how na'vi banned invoker pretty much every single game they played. All teams have limitations. Dendi being the only one on Na'Vi able to play a great Rubick is Na'Vi's. I was WHOA when Puppey gave himself support Rubick but that game showed how lulz Rubick is when not played by Dendi mid solo, same with Pudge. For Na'Vi, I think they needed to get LoH - who is a great farmer and off laner - to play DK instead of Dendi. That way you give Dendi Rubick and then offlane DK on LoH. But that game Na'Vi was just not going to win because they picked a split push strat against Disruptor and Disruptor just crushes all their escape mechanisms.
Na'Vi's limitation is that none of the other teams in NA/EU are in the same class as them.
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On September 03 2012 16:59 [17]Purple wrote:Valve's issues with the number 3 gets me scared, TI3 might fall under Valve Time and come out after HL3
oh no stop jinx!!!!
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On September 03 2012 17:09 Ultrapwnage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:57 YoucriedWolf wrote:
The milion dollar bonus rumor from the team turned out not to be true if you are to believe the players themself. source?
Chuan interview
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There wont be great games to wake up to tommorow. What will I do.
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On September 03 2012 17:17 Spicy_Curry wrote:
There wont be great games to wake up to tommorow. What will I do.
Play great games!
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On September 03 2012 17:16 YoucriedWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 17:09 Ultrapwnage wrote:On September 03 2012 16:57 YoucriedWolf wrote:
The milion dollar bonus rumor from the team turned out not to be true if you are to believe the players themself. source? Chuan interview
ty, that interview kinda showed what a nice guy chuan is :D and hes going drinking with navi, big props to both teams for that sportsmanship.
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7 Asian teams 9 Western teams
top 8
7 Asian teams, 1 Na'vi.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS.
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On September 03 2012 17:13 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:59 [17]Purple wrote:Valve's issues with the number 3 gets me scared, TI3 might fall under Valve Time and come out after HL3 oh no stop jinx!!!!
Valve would just name the tournament The International 2 Episode 1.
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On September 03 2012 17:37 ex_cutd10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 17:13 whiteLotus wrote:On September 03 2012 16:59 [17]Purple wrote:Valve's issues with the number 3 gets me scared, TI3 might fall under Valve Time and come out after HL3 oh no stop jinx!!!! Valve would just name the tournament The International 2 Episode 1.
LOL
If they did, then it would actually be much better than just calling it The International 3
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Just leave valve alone... they create the best e-sport event ever and you guys are still bashing them... just su and wait next year...
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Its just a joke, seriously, people need to lighten up
Valve is notorious for not being able to count to three 
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