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On September 03 2012 16:03 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was watching the Navi vs LGD game, and holy macarena, it was awsome. I never liked to watch LoL or Hon myself, but this really captured me ( and 500k viwers the heck ). Definitely gonna try this game, i still remembered the heroes from the original w3 dota, so i guess even i can pick it up after years of not playing that map
Welcome brother to the cult I mean club :-)
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That was a great tournament, I really loved watching all of those games, sad navi coudln't pull out the win in the finals or at least force it to a game 5 but ggs anyways
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On September 03 2012 16:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:08 IshinShishi wrote:
mouz games when kuroky broke out as the best player in the world, ks.int games, a few nwo games, puppey was present in all of them, he really is the greatest master mind in dota history. NWO was kinda overrated imo.
true, but they had a few great games, point was that puppey has gotten a lot out of whatever team he joined despite their and his weaknesses skillwise, puppey was actually quite bad for a long time, almost jolie level bad.
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On September 03 2012 16:14 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:03 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was watching the Navi vs LGD game, and holy macarena, it was awsome. I never liked to watch LoL or Hon myself, but this really captured me ( and 500k viwers the heck ). Definitely gonna try this game, i still remembered the heroes from the original w3 dota, so i guess even i can pick it up after years of not playing that map Welcome brother to the cult I mean club :-)
Thanks :D
Is Stiggy or how he was called, the Blood seeker orc shaman in there? My alltime favorite with Clinkz.
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Watched some of this over the weekend - have to say, for someone who has no idea about the scene, the casters did a good job of making it exciting.
Was hard to follow though with so many different spells all happening at once @_@
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On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far.
I wouldn't say by far. You don't have a weak link playing your hard carry player, ever. His play was the most consistent during the finals, really. His play style is just different from other carries. Also probably one of the reasons he plays outside the hard carry role sometimes same with zhou. Puppey is a great captain, but his individual play outside the jungle was really lacking. LoH was good on enigma, but kinda bad on everyone else.
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On September 03 2012 16:17 Nekovivie wrote:
Watched some of this over the weekend - have to say, for someone who has no idea about the scene, the casters did a good job of making it exciting.
Was hard to follow though with so many different spells all happening at once @_@
don't worry, to this day I tunnel vision when playing dota2, that's the only down side compared to dota1, I can't quite figure out everything that's going on, it works out fine as long as you know what you have to do.
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On September 03 2012 16:06 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far. I like how he contributed to the team that made GF's against the Chinese teams people thought were untouchable and there's talk about him not being "deserving".
Because XBOCT's limited pool of heroes that he can play and relatively lower level of skill compared to Puppey, LOH, Dendi, and AA (all who are tremendously better than him) probably cost Na'vi a chance at a repeat? XBOCT may be a good teammate, but individually he is so weak compared to the rest of his team, and his variety of heroes is so low, that Puppey has to draft around this. This isn't like he's good on like all carries either, he can really only play straight up flash farming bfury heroes like Anti-Mage, PA, Void, etc. at a decently high level. He still can't play Morph, Sylla, and other phys dps carries/semis like TA, etc. all that well.
On September 03 2012 16:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far. I wouldn't say by far. You don't have a weak link playing your hard carry player, ever. His play was the most consistent during the finals, really. His play style is just different from other carries. Also probably one of the reasons he plays outside the hard carry role sometimes same with zhou. Puppey is a great captain, but his individual play outside the jungle was really lacking. LoH was good on enigma, but kinda bad on everyone else.
What?
Your hard carry can be your weakest link because the other 4 players are far more important when facing good teams. All XBOCT gotta do is right click creeps and not miss them, which for a player at that level isn't difficult when the other 4 are protecting him through solid play.
XBOCT is really only strong when you put him ahead. Almost any high level professional can do what XBOCT does. When he is put outside of a normal hard carry role though, he makes silly mistakes all the time. Not just that, he doesn't even farm as well as other top level carries like Sylar, Burning, or Zhou (hell even some of the carries on Western teams farm just as well as XBOCT with far less of a supporting class). Xboct isn't going to be ever carrying you out of a bad game; he can't farm under pressure like the other top carries can.
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On September 03 2012 16:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far. I wouldn't say by far. You don't have a weak link playing your hard carry player, ever. His play was the most consistent during the finals, really. His play style is just different from other carries. Also probably one of the reasons he plays outside the hard carry role sometimes same with zhou. Puppey is a great captain, but his individual play outside the jungle was really lacking. LoH was good on enigma, but kinda bad on everyone else.
what? his juggernaut on the finals was nothing short of horrible, AA was the most stable player followed closely by Light, making huge plays out of boots of speed and one tango.
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I liked the casters O.o (@ warning)
imo NV threw the game, by picking good heroes (and bad heroes, situationally) but not having the players to play them. Chinese teams are so versatile in their lineup (you see zhou playing hard lane, ferrari playing hard carrys, etc) and NV doesn't have that (lol @ furion getting necro book in g3)
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On September 03 2012 16:15 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:14 Nilrem wrote:On September 03 2012 16:03 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was watching the Navi vs LGD game, and holy macarena, it was awsome. I never liked to watch LoL or Hon myself, but this really captured me ( and 500k viwers the heck ). Definitely gonna try this game, i still remembered the heroes from the original w3 dota, so i guess even i can pick it up after years of not playing that map Welcome brother to the cult I mean club :-) Thanks :D Is Stiggy or how he was called, the Blood seeker orc shaman in there? My alltime favorite with Clinkz.
Yes, bloodseeker is in the game. Can always reference http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Portal:Heroes to see the current heroes.
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On September 03 2012 16:21 hkf wrote:
I liked the casters O.o (@ warning)
imo NV threw the game, by picking good heroes (and bad heroes, situationally) but not having the players to play them. Chinese teams are so versatile in their lineup (you see zhou playing hard lane, ferrari playing hard carrys, etc) and NV doesn't have that (lol @ furion getting necro book in g3)
The idea behind the necrobook was to increase the chance of pushing down the T3 tower/raxes while iG were occupied. They kept pressure on so well that LoH never really had a chance to do that.
iG's versatility has a lot to do with their backgrounds in Dota 1. For a long time, ChuaN was a solo mid and sometime carry player. He was considered to have the best SF in Malaysia, rivaled only by Yamateh, and one of the best in China, bested really only by Yaphets. And it's not like he was playing in crap teams, he was always in the top teams in China and Malaysia. Ferrari used to be the best of the rest, if you will; China's best carry not named BurNIng, zhou or ZSMJ. He was a step below them but a step above the players like xiao8 and Seaking (at least with pure right-click heroes like PL and Medusa). Again, he played in a lot of pretty good teams in that role. YYF over his career played every single role from pure support to hard carry and was once considered the best offlane player in the world. zhou played hard carry in a team with Yaphets, who on Shadow Fiend would farm like all the creeps, so zhou would occasionally play heroes like Pugna, farming extremely quick teamfight items and letting Yaphets go for the Blink/BKB/Manta combo.
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So sad na'vi didn't manage to win in the end 
Finished #92 in fantasy league though
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On September 03 2012 16:21 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far. I wouldn't say by far. You don't have a weak link playing your hard carry player, ever. His play was the most consistent during the finals, really. His play style is just different from other carries. Also probably one of the reasons he plays outside the hard carry role sometimes same with zhou. Puppey is a great captain, but his individual play outside the jungle was really lacking. LoH was good on enigma, but kinda bad on everyone else. what? his juggernaut on the finals was nothing short of horrible, AA was the most stable player followed closely by Light, making huge plays out of boots of speed and one tango.
You mean with a juggernaut in the long lane? What's he gonna do exactly? He wasn't even playing the 1 role in that game.
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On September 03 2012 16:24 Canas wrote:So sad na'vi didn't manage to win in the end Finished #92 in fantasy league though
How are people finding their ranking? The site is totally dead for me.
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I just kept refreshing every couple of minutes until it worked
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Man, so the teams that gets the most money is the team that already got 1 million last year and the team owned by a billionaire. The rich just get richer.
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On September 03 2012 16:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 16:21 IshinShishi wrote:On September 03 2012 16:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 03 2012 16:02 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 16:01 parazice wrote:On September 03 2012 15:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Even though I'm mildly disappointed with how it all turned out, na'vi simply weren't the better team, I don't think playing another bo5 would've done them any good, and xboct didn't deserve to be carried yet again, props to YYF first , AA, and iceiceice, the mvps of this tournament. the problem is not Xboct not have skill but his hero pool is too small XBOCT's skill is by far the weakest on his team. By far. I wouldn't say by far. You don't have a weak link playing your hard carry player, ever. His play was the most consistent during the finals, really. His play style is just different from other carries. Also probably one of the reasons he plays outside the hard carry role sometimes same with zhou. Puppey is a great captain, but his individual play outside the jungle was really lacking. LoH was good on enigma, but kinda bad on everyone else. what? his juggernaut on the finals was nothing short of horrible, AA was the most stable player followed closely by Light, making huge plays out of boots of speed and one tango. You mean with a juggernaut in the long lane? What's he gonna do exactly? He wasn't even playing the 1 role in that game.
He could've not made 4 huge mistakes in a row like the one where he used fury to escape and then turned back around, rookie mistakes such as misjudging the firepower of your own team should never happen, he also didn't get the farm when he was allowed to, most of that loss rests on his shoulders alone the way I see it.
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No? Na'vi won the million last year, they placed second this year and won $250k.
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On September 03 2012 16:04 eSen1a wrote:
starcraft 2 casters are so far ahead of dota 2 casters, valve should pay rotterdam to go back to his wc3 roots!
are you nuts? The dota casters are so much better, I enjoyd this casting alot more than sc2 casts.
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