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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 19 2012 07:28 GMT
#2041
yes
but not while frost arrowing
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 19 2012 07:29 GMT
#2042
On March 19 2012 16:24 Depetrify wrote:
Can Drow Ranger use lifesteal items?

Yes, but if you have Frost Arrows active, Frost Arrows overrides orb effect lifesteal.

It's still often worthwhile because you don't need Frost Arrows on every attack.
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 19 2012 08:59 GMT
#2043
On March 19 2012 14:29 scottyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 14:07 Xinder wrote:
On March 19 2012 06:42 scottyyy wrote:
Does anyone know how to disable shift queuing? Or rebind it. I need my shift key to do nothing or I can't play this game. :/


Why do you need your shift key to do nothing?


It's my push to talk on mumble. And no I can't just change my push to talk key because I'm so used to it. :p


Well ok then. I'd just change it to alt imo because I don't know there is a way to unbind shift. But to each there own. Good luck!
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
March 19 2012 12:42 GMT
#2044
I'm trying to understand Skeleton King. Everyone I talk to says to just get one level of Q and then max out his Crit, which would make me think that something like a Daedlus or something would be amazing on him. However, I see his ult and I see that it could be useful to try and be focused in a fight to abuse that. It's just like, I'm trying to find out what he's supposed to DO in the game.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 19 2012 12:53 GMT
#2045
Arguably the best way to play skel in dota2 right now is to max stun. The rest of the skill build depends on your game/lane but in the majority people will still go stats or 1 in lifesteal until later. Please don't follow theorycraft master wannabes who say only 1 point in stun is fine. That's a very very situational build that you have to already have a detailed knowledge of dota for. It's the same logic as vs builds that max scream and aura and leave stun at 1. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.

Your item build should look something like soul ring>treads>force staff>armlet. BKB when the game calls for it Soul ring ensures you pretty much never die without mana for your ulti since you can temporarily have more mana than your max pool, and you can time the usage before you die. Using it before you stun every time is crucial. His lifesteal was hugely buffed a while ago which helps in the midgame for jungle farm or just a good aura for the rest of your melees. His crit is nice, but it doesn't really help until later when you have armlet/force for aspd and the ability to get up close.

The general rule for items is to improve your hero's skill set. Getting daedalus on any hero with innate passive crit ability is just redundant. It's better to get damage and attack speed. Crits don't stack the way you think they would, they just occur at two separate rates. It's better to spend money on a deso/ac in the late game on skel king.

With soul ring and force you're not standing around doing nothing or chasing forever, you can actually get in and hurt shit. Your ulti can be used as an aegis, offensively to push or to bait the other team into having to fight. He's not a bad hero as a 4th 5th pick.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 19 2012 12:58 GMT
#2046
he's just a hard to kill autoattack carry with a single target stun

generally the skill build is 40012 > 40422, but there can be some variation (early lifesteal for pushing for example)

an old build that tries to abuse his ult (is fine but requires early farm) is quick radi > whatever (armlet, ac, heart, satanic, bkb, etc)
nowadays it's more common to see straight dps leoric with armlet > deso/ac/bkb/whatever
there's also the more recent forcestaff > dps build that uses forcestaff to try and fix some of his positional issues

daedalus generally isn't that good, mkb is going to be more useful as a raw damage item most of the time because sk already has a built-in crit
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 13:00 GMT
#2047
i generally get stats at level 2 so you can have mana for consective stuns faster. after i max stun and get ult as normal, max aura then crit. i find max crit asap not helpful at all for anything since you're dependent on a probability that isn't very chance effective with such low damage early game.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 13:45:51
March 19 2012 13:04 GMT
#2048
On March 19 2012 21:53 Ack1027 wrote:
Arguably the best way to play skel in dota2 right now is to max stun. The rest of the skill build depends on your game/lane but in the majority people will still go stats or 1 in lifesteal until later. Please don't follow theorycraft master wannabes who say only 1 point in stun is fine. That's a very very situational build that you have to already have a detailed knowledge of dota for. It's the same logic as vs builds that max scream and aura and leave stun at 1. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.

Your item build should look something like soul ring>treads>force staff>armlet. BKB when the game calls for it Soul ring ensures you pretty much never die without mana for your ulti since you can temporarily have more mana than your max pool, and you can time the usage before you die. Using it before you stun every time is crucial. His lifesteal was hugely buffed a while ago which helps in the midgame for jungle farm or just a good aura for the rest of your melees. His crit is nice, but it doesn't really help until later when you have armlet/force for aspd and the ability to get up close.

The general rule for items is to improve your hero's skill set. Getting daedalus on any hero with innate passive crit ability is just redundant. It's better to get damage and attack speed. Crits don't stack the way you think they would, they just occur at two separate rates. It's better to spend money on a deso/ac in the late game on skel king.

With soul ring and force you're not standing around doing nothing or chasing forever, you can actually get in and hurt shit. Your ulti can be used as an aegis, offensively to push or to bait the other team into having to fight. He's not a bad hero as a 4th 5th pick.


Ack summed up all facets of the SK handily. Everything else that is situational is up to you in game depending on how the scenarios play out.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
March 19 2012 13:05 GMT
#2049
On March 19 2012 21:53 Ack1027 wrote:
Arguably the best way to play skel in dota2 right now is to max stun. The rest of the skill build depends on your game/lane but in the majority people will still go stats or 1 in lifesteal until later. Please don't follow theorycraft master wannabes who say only 1 point in stun is fine. That's a very very situational build that you have to already have a detailed knowledge of dota for. It's the same logic as vs builds that max scream and aura and leave stun at 1. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.

Your item build should look something like soul ring>treads>force staff>armlet. BKB when the game calls for it Soul ring ensures you pretty much never die without mana for your ulti since you can temporarily have more mana than your max pool, and you can time the usage before you die. Using it before you stun every time is crucial. His lifesteal was hugely buffed a while ago which helps in the midgame for jungle farm or just a good aura for the rest of your melees. His crit is nice, but it doesn't really help until later when you have armlet/force for aspd and the ability to get up close.

The general rule for items is to improve your hero's skill set. Getting daedalus on any hero with innate passive crit ability is just redundant. It's better to get damage and attack speed. Crits don't stack the way you think they would, they just occur at two separate rates. It's better to spend money on a deso/ac in the late game on skel king.

With soul ring and force you're not standing around doing nothing or chasing forever, you can actually get in and hurt shit. Your ulti can be used as an aegis, offensively to push or to bait the other team into having to fight. He's not a bad hero as a 4th 5th pick.


Fair enough. Not much else to say, makes a lot sense. Thanks ^^
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
March 19 2012 13:09 GMT
#2050
On March 19 2012 21:58 Dead9 wrote:
he's just a hard to kill autoattack carry with a single target stun

generally the skill build is 40012 > 40422, but there can be some variation (early lifesteal for pushing for example)

an old build that tries to abuse his ult (is fine but requires early farm) is quick radi > whatever (armlet, ac, heart, satanic, bkb, etc)
nowadays it's more common to see straight dps leoric with armlet > deso/ac/bkb/whatever
there's also the more recent forcestaff > dps build that uses forcestaff to try and fix some of his positional issues

daedalus generally isn't that good, mkb is going to be more useful as a raw damage item most of the time because sk already has a built-in crit


Sorry, but what the fuck is 40012? 4 points stun 1 ulti 2 stats? Where the hell did this notation come from? I've never seen it before. Thats just confusing. And requires you to know where the skills are.

As for leoric - melee carry. He hits things until they or he dies, and then does it again.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
March 19 2012 13:22 GMT
#2051
how do i manage to know how high my ping is?
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 19 2012 13:30 GMT
#2052
idk i picked it up a year or two ago but i forget where
it's not really that confusing, i mean you understood it almost immediately right
i suppose you have to know where the skills are, but it's not hard to look up, and it's no more confusing than qsqsqrqeeere
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 13:42:08
March 19 2012 13:41 GMT
#2053
I have to question
1) Is it impossible to win a late game without hard agi carry ? (Seems like past level 19 they can pretty much stomp anything str or int)
2) Which is the hardest carries in the game (level 25 and big itens) ? (my bet is something like magina, faceless void, spectre viper and weaver but can't get the order .... )
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 13:50:53
March 19 2012 13:50 GMT
#2054
On March 19 2012 22:41 noD wrote:
I have to question
1) Is it impossible to win a late game without hard agi carry ? (Seems like past level 19 they can pretty much stomp anything str or int)
2) Which is the hardest carries in the game (level 25 and big itens) ? (my bet is something like magina, faceless void, spectre viper and weaver but can't get the order .... )


1) Nothing is impossible, there are decent alternatives to the hard carries. Problem is dealing out adequate damage, Leshrac , Naix, Skeleton King, Dragon Knight, Storm Spirit, and Nature's Prophet come to mind immediately for the alternatives. The INT carries are capable if they get a sheep + farm.

2) Void, Spectre, Magina, Morphling, Weaver. Something like that, in the current Meta. STR Carries are fine too, Naix , DK, SK.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 19 2012 13:54 GMT
#2055
1. if you have enough disables
2. spec morph void am, but it depends a lot on how much support they have
weaver and viper both suck lategame
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 13:58 GMT
#2056
On March 19 2012 22:41 noD wrote:
I have to question
1) Is it impossible to win a late game without hard agi carry ? (Seems like past level 19 they can pretty much stomp anything str or int)
2) Which is the hardest carries in the game (level 25 and big itens) ? (my bet is something like magina, faceless void, spectre viper and weaver but can't get the order .... )

1. yes. depends on situation though
2. currently in dota2:

not using the typical idea of a carry

"sigh": spectre, void, skeleton king, am, od
strongish: morphling, furion (varies), bounty hunter
less annoying: tiny (backdoor), drow, riki, potm, tinker
lolz: kunkka
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheBoat
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway23 Posts
March 19 2012 14:04 GMT
#2057
Where is the best place to watch dota2 casts, if there is any?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 19 2012 14:18 GMT
#2058
joindota.com
dotacommentaries.com
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
March 19 2012 14:47 GMT
#2059
On March 19 2012 23:04 TheBoat wrote:
Where is the best place to watch dota2 casts, if there is any?

for livestreams just go to http://gosugamers.net/dota2 and click on the matches on match ticker. Streams are usually listed there.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
March 19 2012 15:10 GMT
#2060
On March 19 2012 22:58 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 22:41 noD wrote:
I have to question
1) Is it impossible to win a late game without hard agi carry ? (Seems like past level 19 they can pretty much stomp anything str or int)
2) Which is the hardest carries in the game (level 25 and big itens) ? (my bet is something like magina, faceless void, spectre viper and weaver but can't get the order .... )

1. yes. depends on situation though
2. currently in dota2:

not using the typical idea of a carry

"sigh": spectre, void, skeleton king, am, od
strongish: morphling, furion (varies), bounty hunter
less annoying: tiny (backdoor), drow, riki, potm, tinker
lolz: kunkka


Can OD carry that much ?
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