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Varth
United States426 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:02 govie wrote: Maybe his playstyle and skill on TB is on a higher level (no joke). Ive read somewhere in this thread about how someone on TL farms, which is quite different from pubstreamers like dendi's and singsings, much more effective. He put TB in jungle and a illusion to farm the lane. Ofcourse this requires more skill then just farming a lane. He got a radiance in the time i normally get ma boots and a wand if im lucky. If you see your pubstars farming jungle and lane during the laningstage at the same time, then u could be right. But for now, beesa could be right about most statements. That guy even backed up his farmingskills with dotabuff profile(=replays), u can check his builds there. The guy you are referring to is Beesa :D. Chunderboy = Beesa. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:42 Laurens wrote: The guy you are referring to is Beesa :D. Chunderboy = Beesa. I know but i was too lazy to verify  | ||
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Vikeif
126 Posts
On April 05 2014 00:42 Laurens wrote: I get why Skadi is good. It's just that you go: 1) Yasha 2) Ultimate orb And then you can either: a) use the next 900 gold and have a completed manta and all its benefits b) farm an additional 3300 gold to complete the Skadi and have those benefits. I would think path a) is the better option here, and I'm just curious why Beesa is so adamant about going Skadi first. It's situational depending on the game obviously, but on a more tactical level it is based on farming ability. If you feel that you can farm 3300 fairly safely and/or quickly then why not go for skadi? If you can farm that much then 900 is pretty effortless to farm. Chunder is apparently a farming monster so why wouldn't he just go for the more expensive/harder thing to build first if he has the opporturnity? | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On April 05 2014 05:25 Vikeif wrote: It's situational depending on the game obviously, but on a more tactical level it is based on farming ability. If you feel that you can farm 3300 fairly safely and/or quickly then why not go for skadi? If you can farm that much then 900 is pretty effortless to farm. Chunder is apparently a farming monster so why wouldn't he just go for the more expensive/harder thing to build first if he has the opporturnity? Because Manta actually has a timing where it's a strong item for taking all the outer towers? | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
But yeah radiance TB is really strong. | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
That 2.5k is almost a BKB or half your Skadi which are both items I'm normally desperate for on TB if I want to teamfight. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 05 2014 16:52 rob.au wrote: I'm not sure manta rush actually allows you to do anything special with TB that he can't already do. You already melt towers without manta, and getting a manta doesn't let you teamfight much better IMO since you are just going to melt to nukes. That 2.5k is almost a BKB or half your Skadi which are both items I'm normally desperate for on TB if I want to teamfight. I agree with this post. Manta is generally a terrible first item to get. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On April 05 2014 16:52 rob.au wrote: I'm not sure manta rush actually allows you to do anything special with TB that he can't already do. You already melt towers without manta, and getting a manta doesn't let you teamfight much better IMO since you are just going to melt to nukes. That 2.5k is almost a BKB or half your Skadi which are both items I'm normally desperate for on TB if I want to teamfight. ^ | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
mask yasha/hotd manta skadi+ butterfly +satanic depending on le game pew pew how I always played this bad boy in Dota1 Then start replacing items with rapiers, not sure which ones are best? apem ftw xD They kept changing him btw I played him back when he had weaker moving version of pugna's ultimate as one of basic skills | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On April 05 2014 16:52 rob.au wrote: I'm not sure manta rush actually allows you to do anything special with TB that he can't already do. You already melt towers without manta, and getting a manta doesn't let you teamfight much better IMO since you are just going to melt to nukes. That 2.5k is almost a BKB or half your Skadi which are both items I'm normally desperate for on TB if I want to teamfight. How is skadi significantly better for teamfighting than manta? In terms of stats both are about equal cost efficiency wise and I think mantas ability is far more useful than skadis. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On April 06 2014 16:45 Pokebunny wrote: How is skadi significantly better for teamfighting than manta? In terms of stats both are about equal cost efficiency wise and I think mantas ability is far more useful than skadis. it gives 725 hp, manta gives 190 manta illu are so bad and weak compared to ur other ones. they do 25% dmg and die in 1-2 aoe nukes atleast melee manta illu are stronger and has a shorter cd which means can farm better with them. im #1 tb dotabuff XD | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 06 2014 18:40 ChunderBoy wrote: it gives 725 hp, manta gives 190 manta illu are so bad and weak compared to ur other ones. they do 25% dmg and die in 1-2 aoe nukes atleast melee manta illu are stronger and has a shorter cd which means can farm better with them. im #1 tb dotabuff XD Maybe frogster should nerf you | ||
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zelphin
47 Posts
On April 06 2014 18:40 ChunderBoy wrote: it gives 725 hp, manta gives 190 manta illu are so bad and weak compared to ur other ones. they do 25% dmg and die in 1-2 aoe nukes atleast melee manta illu are stronger and has a shorter cd which means can farm better with them. im #1 tb dotabuff XD do you see any merit in getting manta as ur first big item assuming you forsee a chance to take t1 and t2s with them, get ult orb pb oov into disassemble manta => skadi => another ulti orb =>manta? | ||
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Noya
Uruguay11223 Posts
I did EB disassemble into Butterfly once and it felt cool. Gotta try that Manta into 1200g "cheaper" Skadi (as you save one 2100 UO but have to "waste" a Manta recipe until you finish it). Also to be fair on the Yasha into Skadi vs Manta discussion, Skadi is actually 345 HP over a Manta+Ultimate Orb (which cost 600g less). It't not 725 vs 190. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On April 07 2014 12:12 zelphin wrote: do you see any merit in getting manta as ur first big item assuming you forsee a chance to take t1 and t2s with them, get ult orb pb oov into disassemble manta => skadi => another ulti orb =>manta? ive probably already taken the towers during the first 10min long before anyone can get manta | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
Personally I like BoTs a lot in solo queue as they make coordinating things easier but I dunno about SnY over Manta. Maybe situationally if u have to fight a lot? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
I personally find sange a waste of gold. Its kind of a dead end item when you want manta butterfly eventually. I'm not sure how optimal it is to get early conjure, but I play TB by going stats heavy with 1 point refraction. I get conjure at like level 10 onwards or something. Stats is how I bulk up early on without purchasing HP items. Ay tb is so powerful that just about any dps item works with him. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
At what point do you guys start jungling like this? As soon as you have treads completed? | ||
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