On April 08 2014 19:14 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Some variations that haven't been discussed a lot in this thread are SnY and BoTs. Matrice and Kaibutsu are two 6k players that pick TB a lot (they are also #2 and #7 on Dotabuff). Matrice goes 3xWraith->Yasha->BoTs->Sange->Skadi and Kaibutsu similarly plays Aquila->Yasha->BoTs->Sange->Diffu. And Jukes Master Kermit (#2 on Dotabuff) goes PT->SnY->Skadi.

Personally I like BoTs a lot in solo queue as they make coordinating things easier but I dunno about SnY over Manta. Maybe situationally if u have to fight a lot?

matrice does jungle tb which makes build ups like phase, drums aquila less relevant.

SNY seems more appropriate cmpared to manta in games where you have a disadvantage and cant make use of the push power of manta well. he jungles tb so much of the lane control adv of phase and situational treads is lost.
i cant say much more cos i havent really tried early travels to understand its power

Noya

Uruguay11223 Posts

April 08 2014 15:12 GMT

#343

That jungle build is so legit and he makes such a great use of the min ~13 BoTs, definitely going to try it

The order is triple slipper+Circlet opening into double WB+QB -> Boots -> Blade of Alacrity -> Yasha/BoTs in any order -> SnY. Replace WB for Ultimate Orb, then extend into Skadi or Hex with it.

Hagen0

Germany765 Posts

April 08 2014 17:48 GMT

#344

Just noticed your signature Noya.

There is a bug on that list saying that Reflection should not be blocked by Linken's. While this is true the interaction in Dota 1 is pretty odd. Reflection will go through Linken's fully and put it on cooldown. The current interaction in Dota 2 makes more sense.

Noya

Uruguay11223 Posts

April 08 2014 21:18 GMT

#345

I know, I don't think Reflection should be buffed to go through Linkens either.

Sunder on the other hand, should go through it, but as the hero is probably receiving a nerf before adding him on CM I also doubt it will ever be fixed.

HopLight

Sweden999 Posts

April 11 2014 07:03 GMT

#346

Terrorblade is pretty amazing at lower levels of MMR. Even at my ~3000 MMR I can score 800-900 GPM in farm most games. I seriously recommend everyone to look at the replays Chunderboy posted, they've helped me a lot in increasing farm potential.

TB is always the hero I pick when I want to end a bad loss streak, he needs some serious nerfing.

Oh and Radiance is amazing even if its late, just keep pushing back all lanes with your illusions and you will make a comeback. I've gone 0-5 early game into 800+ farm with a ~22 min Radiance, enough to win late game.

Why TB is OP+ Show Spoiler +

govie

9334 Posts

April 11 2014 08:09 GMT

#347

When on a losingstreak call 0900-chunderTBoy homevideo booster services. I'll just make a psychological analysis of a match and hopefully get 1054gpm with ease too!

Edit : Beesa, i cant seem to find a game that hasnt been expired of ChunderTBoy. Is it possible you upload 1 or 2 TB replays?

Edit 2 : Found some beesa dropbox replays in this thread, see below.

On February 21 2014 23:40 ChunderBoy wrote:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/493401289 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0rgt3999khvris/493401289.dem
http://dotabuff.com/matches/493325131 | n/a
http://dotabuff.com/matches/512188054 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/i8vhkxnimh02up9/512188054.dem
http://dotabuff.com/matches/495895461 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7sc3kp574gclhn/495895461.dem
http://dotabuff.com/matches/513148083 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3erlsl1903zad9/513148083.dem
all of these games were already winning i guess
http://dotabuff.com/matches/513191997 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fz3ry20mkcrzf1/513191997.dem
the last one might show u how radiance wins losing games.
ive managed to get 130cs at 11min with am once. but in complete free farm lanes its so much easier with naga/tb

ChunderBoy

3242 Posts

April 11 2014 08:24 GMT

#348

On April 11 2014 17:09 govie wrote:
When on a losingstreak call 0900-chunderTBoy homevideo booster services. I'll just make a psychological analysis of a match and hopefully get 1054gpm with ease too!

Edit : Beesa, i cant seem to find a game that hasnt been expired of ChunderTBoy. Is it possible you upload 1 or 2 TB replays?

TB is uninteresting compared to other hardcarries.
Don't have any decent replays saved, most of them are stomps that aren't worth watching.

govie

9334 Posts

April 11 2014 08:29 GMT

#349

Its ok beesa, allready found some. Its the early game i am interested in, when you get the starting core items, how you skill, how you farm until 15min (with that doublefarm stuff).

Need mmr as i am on a losingstreak since i stopped playing random..

Edit: first game, radiance+manta+PT+PMS+blade at around 20 against a darkseer, a lanecontesting riki and a junglecontesting LD. Its not so bad i think

Fencar

United States2694 Posts

April 13 2014 06:39 GMT

#350

How do you sustain yourself in the jungle? I always run out of mana for illusions even with tread switching, and get down to like half HP after taking 5 or 6 camps, even with Treads/Yasha/PMS/QB.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34502 Posts

April 13 2014 07:15 GMT

#351

Send yourself the occasional salve and/or clarity, ask allies to come to you with Arcanes/heals.

NeoRussia

Canada381 Posts

April 14 2014 12:42 GMT

#352

So I played this hero for a while and my winrate is still really shit with him (comparatively) despite getting 16 min rad/drums/yasha a few times.
http://dotabuff.com/players/35361365/matches?date=&faction=&hero=terrorblade&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=
It could be because my mmr is rather high so people know how to counter him and radiance ricing doesn't usually pay off, but I end up having a low impact in most games past the first few towers I take. I find most of my wins were not a result of my actions directly, while when I play naga they certainly are. I also find TB to be a slow farmer even with radiance compared to other carries especially actual radiance carries like naga. Idk if I'm overlooking something or if that's just how the hero plays, but from my conclusion radiance is not the item in 90% of cases if you want to win. It's much easier to control the flow of the game in solo queue by winning midgame teamfights with your strong carrying potential with just drums / yasha / bkb than it is to cut creep waves and farm with radiance illusions.

govie

9334 Posts

April 14 2014 12:53 GMT

#353

I think that you did well if you got the yasha+boot+radiance+some towers before 20 minutes, no? Dont blame yourself for mediocre gameimpact when someone else on your team is going ham pre 20 minutemark so you win the game before 40 minutes. Stomps happen, bad samples.

Laserist

Turkey4269 Posts

April 14 2014 12:59 GMT

#354

You won your radiance games as far as it seems. I never play radi TB because you apply so much pressure to your teammates to survive and it takes so much time to ramp up.
Treads into any stats item is fine. S&Y makes wonders. I couldn't get why rush radi for TB in the first place. He has an immense early kill and tower kill potential. They are all wasted because of radi rush imo.

NeoRussia

Canada381 Posts

April 14 2014 16:32 GMT

#355

I've never really "rushed" radiance. There was one game where I had 2 kills and gotten a fast tower, and in that game I got radiance right after treads, not sure about the timing but it was really fast. Usually I start with stout and branches, buy quelling/pms/treads and see if I can push the tower with metamorph 2 or higher, otherwise I jungle with my main hero and take lane cs with illusions, always making sure to summon one right before the other one expires in lane. Since TB is strong in lane solo against an even matchup with metamorph, its good to have a greedy support to take the lane xp like sand king for example. I then build yasha before radiance as that seems to boost farming and tower pushing by a good amount and finish my radiance after that. 15-19 min is the timing I usually finish this if I manage to get at least one tower and don't die. I never feel like I run out of mana strangely enough when spamming illusions, I can cs even with int tread illusions before yasha so the swapping really helps. I usually get manta right after instead of BoT since unlike naga you don't have that many radiance illusions to farm with.

Deleted User 261926

960 Posts

April 14 2014 17:21 GMT

#356

What people seem to think is that TB is useless before radiance.....and this could not be further from the truth. He has still massive dps and can demolish towers just fine. And I have my doubts that manta contributes more in fights because you can harrass the opponents constantly with your illusions if you have radiance.

tube

United States1475 Posts

April 15 2014 02:04 GMT

#357

this heros broken
why are people buying radiance on him
this heros broken

nitrodown7

Pakistan130 Posts

April 18 2014 13:35 GMT

#358

http://dotabuff.com/players/113871085 (me)

can someone whos experienced tell me what his hard counters are? and if its a viable option to first (insta) pick this hero .i always do and almost have 75-80% winrate in rmm. though i lose in normal unranked lol

ZerG~LegenD

Sweden1179 Posts

April 18 2014 14:29 GMT

#359

On April 18 2014 22:35 nitrodown7 wrote:
http://dotabuff.com/players/113871085 (me)

can someone whos experienced tell me what his hard counters are? and if its a viable option to first (insta) pick this hero .i always do and almost have 75-80% winrate in rmm. though i lose in normal unranked lol

Shut him down early, depending one who he's laning with a solo Phoenix or Dark Seer or any of a large number of dual lanes might be able to do it and a Lich/Phoenix lane is probably the worst you can face. If he jungles you gotta gank him or ward his camps. Later on he Lion is really good vs him as both the 5s cd Mana Drain and Hex instantly kill illusions. If you find the real TB Lion can also normally keep him from Sundering with his long disables and high burst. Still whenever I lose with TB, its because the laning stage went to hell.

Laserist

Turkey4269 Posts

April 18 2014 14:49 GMT

#360

In pubs Lich hard lane probably wrecks him apart. He can't stand the harassment and unfavored creep equilibrium. Pair Lich with a durable ranged hero like WR, total ownage.