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On August 13 2016 05:26 wims80 wrote:
I'd say S4 is *way* more talented than FATA, Bulldog is on a completely different level than MC who is quite mediocre in my opinion. EGM has better plays than Kuro. I'd agree with Matu being better than Loda and JerAx is a straight up stud, that dude is incredibly talented
s4 is a captain, but mechanical i dont think he is better then fata. fata is also more stable, and throws less. Bulldog is really good on farming cores, but thats it. as a whole i think MC is a really strong offlaner, with a much bigger heropool then bulldog. well as i said, its a very subjective topic.
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On August 13 2016 07:53 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2016 06:56 jack_knife wrote:On August 13 2016 05:18 hunter_x wrote:On August 13 2016 01:50 bluzi wrote:On August 13 2016 00:40 TriCkster135 wrote:
Alliance perfomed medicore all tournament.So they placed as most people expected.
Whereas Liquid was super up and down. Not only during the whole tournament or a BO-X, but also in a single game. Totaly dominating a team for 20 min and playing like a contender and than they suddenly playing like a T 5 team. So liquid could have placed last, but also had potentail to be Top 3.
This was the difference between Alliance and Liquid in this TI, at least for me. The difference was in expectations sure , but Alliance had Fnatic on the ropes in G2 and threw it , not a liquid kind of throw which is something you dont see every day , but as far as potential i dont think Liquid has greater potential then Alliance when it comes to peaking , if i had to put money on who has the better chance at winning TI7 i would put it on the current Alliance roster as i feel they have better talent overall , they are currently lost thats for sure. Liquid came in the best form with good understanding of the meta and they crushed out in the group stage and then in the Bo3 which speaks about their mental side , in TI3 Alliance came in great form and meta understanding and they delievered , in this TI they didnt came with those attributes on their sides and they didnt outperformed. excuse me sir, but who on alliance is more talented then their counterpart at liquid? i know thats a really subjective topic, but i just dont see it. u just need to see, that liquid couldn't make it to UB and get rekt so hard by fnatic, they didn't do any better than "tier2-3" Alliance. u just need to see, that liquid only won 1 big event so far. brutal truth. dude cant you just shut the fuck up? sry to tell it to you like that, but it seems you dont understand otherwise. you just try to provoke me, but all you do i annoy me. liquid being much better then alliance right now is just a fact. you dont need to respond to everything i say, plz stop being lame...
You guys should probably just take it to PM's if you wish to continue...
It's clogging up the thread.
(Also the consecutive 2nd places at Shanghai and Manila Majors make Liquid quite easily a lot more accomplished than Alliance during this season)
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On August 13 2016 08:48 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2016 07:53 hunter_x wrote:On August 13 2016 06:56 jack_knife wrote:On August 13 2016 05:18 hunter_x wrote:On August 13 2016 01:50 bluzi wrote:On August 13 2016 00:40 TriCkster135 wrote:
Alliance perfomed medicore all tournament.So they placed as most people expected.
Whereas Liquid was super up and down. Not only during the whole tournament or a BO-X, but also in a single game. Totaly dominating a team for 20 min and playing like a contender and than they suddenly playing like a T 5 team. So liquid could have placed last, but also had potentail to be Top 3.
This was the difference between Alliance and Liquid in this TI, at least for me. The difference was in expectations sure , but Alliance had Fnatic on the ropes in G2 and threw it , not a liquid kind of throw which is something you dont see every day , but as far as potential i dont think Liquid has greater potential then Alliance when it comes to peaking , if i had to put money on who has the better chance at winning TI7 i would put it on the current Alliance roster as i feel they have better talent overall , they are currently lost thats for sure. Liquid came in the best form with good understanding of the meta and they crushed out in the group stage and then in the Bo3 which speaks about their mental side , in TI3 Alliance came in great form and meta understanding and they delievered , in this TI they didnt came with those attributes on their sides and they didnt outperformed. excuse me sir, but who on alliance is more talented then their counterpart at liquid? i know thats a really subjective topic, but i just dont see it. u just need to see, that liquid couldn't make it to UB and get rekt so hard by fnatic, they didn't do any better than "tier2-3" Alliance. u just need to see, that liquid only won 1 big event so far. brutal truth. dude cant you just shut the fuck up? sry to tell it to you like that, but it seems you dont understand otherwise. you just try to provoke me, but all you do i annoy me. liquid being much better then alliance right now is just a fact. you dont need to respond to everything i say, plz stop being lame... You guys should probably just take it to PM's if you wish to continue... It's clogging up the thread. (Also the consecutive 2nd places at Shanghai and Manila Majors make Liquid quite easily a lot more accomplished than Alliance during this season)
i have no intention of discussing anything with this guy. i ignored him before, but he doesnt stop...
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On August 13 2016 07:53 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2016 06:56 jack_knife wrote:On August 13 2016 05:18 hunter_x wrote:On August 13 2016 01:50 bluzi wrote:On August 13 2016 00:40 TriCkster135 wrote:
Alliance perfomed medicore all tournament.So they placed as most people expected.
Whereas Liquid was super up and down. Not only during the whole tournament or a BO-X, but also in a single game. Totaly dominating a team for 20 min and playing like a contender and than they suddenly playing like a T 5 team. So liquid could have placed last, but also had potentail to be Top 3.
This was the difference between Alliance and Liquid in this TI, at least for me. The difference was in expectations sure , but Alliance had Fnatic on the ropes in G2 and threw it , not a liquid kind of throw which is something you dont see every day , but as far as potential i dont think Liquid has greater potential then Alliance when it comes to peaking , if i had to put money on who has the better chance at winning TI7 i would put it on the current Alliance roster as i feel they have better talent overall , they are currently lost thats for sure. Liquid came in the best form with good understanding of the meta and they crushed out in the group stage and then in the Bo3 which speaks about their mental side , in TI3 Alliance came in great form and meta understanding and they delievered , in this TI they didnt came with those attributes on their sides and they didnt outperformed. excuse me sir, but who on alliance is more talented then their counterpart at liquid? i know thats a really subjective topic, but i just dont see it. u just need to see, that liquid couldn't make it to UB and get rekt so hard by fnatic, they didn't do any better than "tier2-3" Alliance. u just need to see, that liquid only win 1 big event so far. brutal truth. dude cant you just shut the fuck up? sry to tell it to you like that, but it seems you dont understand otherwise. you just try to provoke me, but all you do i annoy me. liquid being much better then alliance right now is just a fact. you dont need to respond to everything i say, plz stop being lame...
am doing the same thing u did in other thread, why are u so mad??? didn't i tell the truth? didn't liquid only won 1 LAN so far? fata is good about 6 month? every1 knows what C9 looks like.
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This is super annoying.It is ok If you dislike liquid, but stop flaming them here. Or write constructive criticism and not " fata is bad".
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This picture makes me so sad... 
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On August 13 2016 16:53 TriCkster135 wrote:
This is super annoying.It is ok If you dislike liquid, but stop flaming them here. Or write constructive criticism and not " fata is bad".
It's perfectly allowed to criticize teams in their team threads, it's not like only yes-men are allowed to post here
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On August 13 2016 20:36 wims80 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2016 16:53 TriCkster135 wrote:
This is super annoying.It is ok If you dislike liquid, but stop flaming them here. Or write constructive criticism and not " fata is bad".
It's perfectly allowed to criticize teams in their team threads, it's not like only yes-men are allowed to post here
He's not doing it to criticize liquid, he just wants to provoke me. There are really some sour alliance fans out there. I didnt even really flame alliance like i used to. I just said the team doesnt work out, but apparently some people cant deal with something like that. Saying things like liquid is as bad as alliance, because we lost to the same team. Really nice logic.
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You quote my post which states that constructive critisim is totally fine and comment it with "critisicm is allowed here" ?
So you say the same thing my post said ..
I am no yes-men either and i dislike if someone calls me one.
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Calm down kids or I'll seperate you by force 
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I wish someone would tell us if we still have a team or not
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I dont really think they will disband after getting 7th-8th at Ti. I mean they underperformed for sure, but when you look at it, it means only 6 teams did better then you. Of course they came to seattle wanting to win the whole thing, but sometimes it just doesnt work out.
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On August 14 2016 16:25 Talin wrote:
I wish someone would tell us if we still have a team or not
For fucks sake DO NOT JINX IT. A year ago I was crying for naz to sign literally anyone, a Tier2 team that barely gets to events like NAR because TL without a DotA team is just embarrassing almost with how big the game is.
We all got way more than we fished for and then some.
0 chance Naz drops them, and it would be devastating if they leave. If I were the guys at the top I'd let Kuro do what Puppey has at Secret and give him anything just to pick and prepare his squad, and really tie him with Liquid. And when Kuro stays, others will too
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They wont disband, I dont see other chances to be better in any way. What ever team ppy forms, even if he is interrested in liquid players, why should someone swap the team. They earned a good amount of money, their team is stable - and they proved to be a top contender.
OG is still one of the best teams and they dropped out earlier.. stuff happens, its dota, if you reflect all the years of dota since ti1 - teams will always have ups and downs and no team ever achieved 2 TI titles and stuff like that. Thats the nature of the game.
I am not sure if shuffling gives players an advantage.. in the end if you look at the loyal players (ppd, alliance, dendi, etc..) in terms of earning money they perform better than people that are just swapping around each year.
A very important other side I would reflect as a player... this TI is very special. Because of the wide pool of heroes and the amount of metas that can be played, a team proven in this time also shows, that they are able to be stable in upcoming patches. If patches will follow, with a strict hero pool, like the last TIs, they will be capable of playing this meta. Flexible teams performed the best here.
( I think thats the only weakness alliance is suffering for example, they still only perform good, when the meta looks like ti3)
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On August 14 2016 16:25 Talin wrote:
I wish someone would tell us if we still have a team or not
They are probably having holidays after a season that kicked in way too early (roster swaps started right after ti5 finished), and that was intense. Majors starting later this year will slow the pace of post ti roster swaps
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I don't think there's any chance of the organization dropping the team, and they seem like they get along well. There were mistakes in the games, but I think they'll stick together despite the disappointment.
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Liquid staying together is actually more likely after their TI performance. They had a pretty good year and if they finished high at TI I don't see how Liquid could afford the team anymore. That's obviously speculation but TL is definitely a smaller team compared to other premier organizations and if Kuro/fata/mc/matumba/jerax won a multimillion prize pool I'm really not sure what TL is providing in return at that point.
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I've heard a lot of rumours about various directions players could be going at this point. 2 days after TI, I don't think the players have too much figured out either tbh.
Chances seem good that at least one resulting stack will still be liquid but I don't think we'll see more than 3/5 the same players, and even that might be high.
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Eh
Has that ever happened that a whole team would leave a large respected organization as a whole in Dota?
I can't recall one case really, always either one off or unknown organizations, disband, organizational staff screwing up or the team dropping the players. Liquid doesn't historically take Prize Money cuts afaik either.
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