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GGman
Profile Joined July 2010
Czech Republic143 Posts
May 24 2018 16:06 GMT
#5841
Oh well. Happens, I just hope they will shake it off soon to be in a good mental state for last major and TI.
“Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 24 2018 16:06 GMT
#5842
welp, we deserved that elimination for playing that bad today......
hopefully we can recover in time for the supermajor :/
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
May 24 2018 16:06 GMT
#5843
Back to throwing games by making terrible decisions at rosh.

Maybe in the end this was the best thing that could happen
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
May 24 2018 16:10 GMT
#5844
Pick a beastmaster carry mid - who knew it will get owned post 20 mins. Game 3 - Core first phase - owned. Every time.
Matu was having an awesome game until team fights happened. That pit crushes PL, put a disruptor on top of that -
useless.
As simple as that - ima huge fan boy, but its honest to say - Liquid deserved that loss. Questionable drafts in to some bad plays - thats what you get.
Maybe those 2 week patches got them too, seems like no player likes that, but they are all playing under the same circumstances. They have to get some time to practice, first time i see this team in maybe two years not on the same page.
Jinyah
Profile Joined May 2016
Finland17 Posts
May 24 2018 16:11 GMT
#5845
It's not cool to watch this liquid in this tournament. It seemed they only made bad decisions and team synergy was far from what it has been. I hope it's all just a scam to make enemies not target them at TI. Let's go liquid!
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 16:11 GMT
#5846
At least their elimination saved us the misery of watching them continue to play this badly. Maybe if it was a close and respectable series but only Pain showed up and they looked great.

Liquid just making the same mistakes this entire tournament over and over again. Watching these guys get picked off and killed a million times over and over again wasn't an enjoyable experience so whatever.
Aurrius
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany120 Posts
May 24 2018 16:12 GMT
#5847
On May 25 2018 01:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
welp, we deserved that elimination for playing that bad today......
hopefully we can recover in time for the supermajor :/

It would be better to skip the Supermajor and to get some free time...
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 16:15 GMT
#5848
Liquid is dropping the ball lately. No tournament wins, early eliminations, consistently looking lost as a team, and all 5 players rarely performing well at the same time.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 24 2018 16:18 GMT
#5849
On May 25 2018 01:15 juuto wrote:
Liquid is dropping the ball lately. No tournament wins, early eliminations, consistently looking lost as a team, and all 5 players rarely performing well at the same time.

if by lately you mean this tournament yeah.
Reminder last tournament was our 2nd place at EPICENTER
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
May 24 2018 16:20 GMT
#5850
losses happens, but man did they play like trash xD
chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
May 24 2018 16:28 GMT
#5851
it seems their defeat at rosh fight become a habit in every series

i hope they will fix it soon
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 16:37 GMT
#5852
On May 25 2018 01:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:15 juuto wrote:
Liquid is dropping the ball lately. No tournament wins, early eliminations, consistently looking lost as a team, and all 5 players rarely performing well at the same time.

if by lately you mean this tournament yeah.
Reminder last tournament was our 2nd place at EPICENTER


They performed badly at DAC too and now they just got eliminated during the group stages at ESL. Two bad tournaments and one good one, it's not exactly a good luck. It's almost June and they've won only one tournament in 2018 and that was a minor.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 24 2018 16:41 GMT
#5853
On May 25 2018 01:37 juuto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:15 juuto wrote:
Liquid is dropping the ball lately. No tournament wins, early eliminations, consistently looking lost as a team, and all 5 players rarely performing well at the same time.

if by lately you mean this tournament yeah.
Reminder last tournament was our 2nd place at EPICENTER


They performed badly at DAC too and now they just got eliminated during the group stages at ESL. Two bad tournaments and one good one, it's not exactly a good luck. It's almost June and they've won only one tournament in 2018 and that was a minor.


I dont want to downplay our elimination here. But you conveniently leave out the fact that besides DAC and now Birmingham, we were Top4 in every tournament we entered. That is two bad runs out of 7 tournaments in 2018. Yes we should not have lost to pain, we looked pretty bad during it, but to say 2018 was entirely bad is very much so hyperbole.

It speaks more of the volume of expectations we have for TL that all that consistency counts for nothing among the fans
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
May 24 2018 16:48 GMT
#5854
Well so much for that...

Not only a painful loss, but also £ 24 wasted on a ticket - I don't think there's any point going to Birmingham on Saturday if there's no Liquid to watch.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 16:59 GMT
#5855
On May 25 2018 01:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:37 juuto wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:15 juuto wrote:
Liquid is dropping the ball lately. No tournament wins, early eliminations, consistently looking lost as a team, and all 5 players rarely performing well at the same time.

if by lately you mean this tournament yeah.
Reminder last tournament was our 2nd place at EPICENTER


They performed badly at DAC too and now they just got eliminated during the group stages at ESL. Two bad tournaments and one good one, it's not exactly a good luck. It's almost June and they've won only one tournament in 2018 and that was a minor.


I dont want to downplay our elimination here. But you conveniently leave out the fact that besides DAC and now Birmingham, we were Top4 in every tournament we entered. That is two bad runs out of 7 tournaments in 2018. Yes we should not have lost to pain, we looked pretty bad during it, but to say 2018 was entirely bad is very much so hyperbole.

It speaks more of the volume of expectations we have for TL that all that consistency counts for nothing among the fans


I wouldn't say consistency counts for nothing but it'd count more if it were still there. The placements at DAC and Birmingham just kinda ruined that consistency. DAC could've been a fluke but with this elimination at Birmingham, it clearly isn't.

I don't expect them to win everything which is why I was previously somewhat fine with how their 2018 was going but now it's not looking so good for them.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
May 24 2018 17:47 GMT
#5856
Didnt see the games because of work, but damn there are some negative people here. Sure its not nice to see them lose so early but that happens to every team. Liquid still was the most consistent team of 2018, and they will recover for sure;)
lasl
Profile Joined March 2018
Romania21 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 23:41:11
May 24 2018 19:05 GMT
#5857
1. Firstly, yes, the fact that there are two weeks patches, demotivates - in the interim - a reigning TI team (with the same players) whose single greatest goal and desire is to win a second (and in a row) TI for the first time in history. And even without these (too) often patches, a team who won the last TI (= the hugest amount of fame and money at the moment) has a hard time in full focusing on anything else than the next TI. (Generally, the teams in e-sports are of youngsters so when they win a (today) TI, at first, they don't realize how much money&fame they've got and what those lots of money&fame mean; in half/an year they are - absolutely - forced to see the hugeness of the money&fame acquired.). An analogy for this first point's idea would be like: after you go to and climb Everest, any other local peak (all others tournaments beside TI are local lower peaks) is just a kind of entertainment (not that they aren't difficult to climb - you can die at any moment climbing any small peak -, but all these local lower peaks - automatically [after winning Everest] - became of lesser importance in your eyes -- This is a psychological law).

2. Secondly, all other teams have their's eye on you (even in the restroom!).

3. Thirdly, all other teams are hungrier than you (to win a second TI is a kind of luxury - to win it for the first time is more like a [dota] lifetime dream).

4. To "save strats for TI" in this two weeks patch pace, I think is impossible (especially for months intervals).

5. BO1s are anti-dota almost all the time = is mainly like promoting luck and weaker teams - look at any other sport! (I'm starting to think ESL is favorizing some/the lower seeded teams) - please stop!

BOTTOM LINE: the worst thing - i think - is this two weeks patch "law": imagine this in any other sport or e-sport or in life!
You cannot improve in playing the game, but you have to improve in understanding and quickly adapt to the so frequently changes brought to the game.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 21:32 GMT
#5858
I keep remembering the symptoms to depression and I ask myself "Am I depressed because I'm no longer enjoying an activity that I used to love for no reason?" But then I really think about it and I realize that I'm no longer enjoying watching Dota tournaments because the formats are so bad not because of depression. This isn't even about losses. I hate Bo1s. I hate whatever the hell the ESL formats are and I just want them all to end no matter win or lose.

The DPC is a nightmare that I would never wish upon my greatest enemy.
Damned627
Profile Joined November 2016
Indonesia264 Posts
May 24 2018 21:32 GMT
#5859
On May 25 2018 02:47 hunter_x wrote:
Didnt see the games because of work, but damn there are some negative people here. Sure its not nice to see them lose so early but that happens to every team. Liquid still was the most consistent team of 2018, and they will recover for sure;)

Of 2017 you mean, 2018's most consistent team is VP after getting Rodjer.
None
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 24 2018 21:35 GMT
#5860
On May 25 2018 06:32 Damned627 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 02:47 hunter_x wrote:
Didnt see the games because of work, but damn there are some negative people here. Sure its not nice to see them lose so early but that happens to every team. Liquid still was the most consistent team of 2018, and they will recover for sure;)

Of 2017 you mean, 2018's most consistent team is VP after getting Rodjer.


VP definitely has not earned the right to be considered consistent even with Rodjer.
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