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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
On May 25 2018 06:35 juuto wrote: VP definitely has not earned the right to be considered consistent even with Rodjer. Top 4 at every major of 2018 is not consistent? Okay then, what gives Liquid the right to be considered the most consistent team of 2018? | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On May 25 2018 08:00 Damned627 wrote: Top 4 at every major of 2018 is not consistent? Okay then, what gives Liquid the right to be considered the most consistent team of 2018? Okay my bad. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On May 25 2018 04:05 lasl wrote: 1. Firstly, yes, the fact that there are two weeks patches, demotivates - in the interim - a reigning TI team (with the same players) whose single greatest goal and desire is to win a second (and in a row) TI for the first time in history. And even without these (too) often patches, a team who won the last TI (= the hugest amount of fame and money at the moment) has a hard time in full focusing on anything else than the next TI. (Generally, the teams in e-sports are of youngsters so when they win a (today) TI, at first, they don't realize how much money&fame they've got and what those lots of money&fame mean; in half/an year they are - absolutely - forced to see the hugeness of the money&fame acquired.). An analogy for this first point's idea would be like: after you go to and climb Everest, any other local peak (all others tournaments beside TI are local lower peaks) is just a kind of entertainment (not that they aren't difficult to climb - you can die at any moment climbing any small peak -, but all these local lower peaks - automatically [after winning Everest] - became of lesser importance in your eyes -- This is a psychological law). 2. Secondly, all other teams have their's eye on you (even in the restroom!). 3. Thirdly, all other teams are hungrier than you (to win a second TI is a kind of luxury - to win it for the first time is more like a [dota] lifetime dream). 4. To "save strats for TI" in this two weeks patch pace, I think is impossible (especially for months intervals). 5. BO1s are anti-dota almost all the time = is mainly like promoting luck and weaker teams - look at any other sport! (I'm starting to think ESL is favorizing some/the lower seeded teams) - please stop! BOTTOM LINE: the worst thing - i think - is this two weeks patch "law": imagine this in any other sport or e-sport or in life! You cannot improve in playing the game, but you have to improve in understanding and quickly adapt to the so frequently changes brought to the game. For some time now you are trying to be positive, but the reality is there is no space for optimism here. The team has problems, and thats a fact. Im worried that they finally burned out. I mean have you ever seem the team lost like this? I havent. The only reasons we lost so far ( since we picked up GH) are some outdrafts some bad luck, and ofcourse individual mistakes, that happen as our boys are human and it is normal. Lateley we are having Bad draft after bad draft, kuro withdrew from the support support universal hero draft, then the cores for the last two picks. Don't know why he does that, but we keep getting punished for that. Maybe he is testing the meta, but since the meta changes every two weeks, this strategy will not stop. We are starting to lose ( not to mention being owned in ) fights at rosh when we have NP in the draft, and that is not acceptable. You can always force a rotation then sneak it in. Remember the times when they were giving up rosh just to surround the pit, and then teamwipe the opponent. The constant role changes in the constant changing meta doesn't help either.Just an example people are playing Lycan for a while. Matu haven't played the hero for months. And we know he is one of the best on the hero, if not THE best. The thing that proves my point that they are burned out is that they draft (most of the time) to end the game 25 mins - own the lanes kill the base by 30. Cmon, you are the best team in the world in end game scenarios, game understanding and buybacking in games post 40 mins. mins. Why run away from that, and give your opponents the draft to easily win if they survive the first 20 mins brawl? And we are not wining often those strats as our guys are making way too many mistakes for a team with that high skill level. And you don't do that if you havent lost your motivation. There is still time to find it, but they need to try hard than this, 1-2 months of bootcamps before TI should help a lot. Just relax, have some fan as a team half the day, then play some games to test new strats. We have what it takes to be the first team to win second TI, we just have to find it again. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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GGman
Czech Republic143 Posts
On May 26 2018 00:06 giftdgecko wrote: So if Pain defeats VP somehow, are we all just dumb? Well at least we aren't the only one getting owned by Pain... They are playing better than they used to, but I would rather put my money on VP proving that they are on a different level than everyone else. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On May 26 2018 00:06 giftdgecko wrote: So if Pain defeats VP somehow, are we all just dumb? I mean, Pain is a good team. Liquid still chain fed and took bad fights for the entire tournament though. Even when they won, they chain fed. | ||
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solid.salve3
80 Posts
GH role 2 Miracle- role 3 MinD_ContRoL role 4 MATUMBAMAN role 5 I will see it it last experiment at last major later swaping role is one solution of all if they boring for they role as first TI winner they must try to new role to refresh themself not only strategy, role and anything is important for defend your title | ||
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noh2o
China71 Posts
On May 25 2018 01:10 NInoff wrote: Pick a beastmaster carry mid - who knew it will get owned post 20 mins. Game 3 - Core first phase - owned. Every time. Matu was having an awesome game until team fights happened. That pit crushes PL, put a disruptor on top of that - useless. As simple as that - ima huge fan boy, but its honest to say - Liquid deserved that loss. Questionable drafts in to some bad plays - thats what you get. Maybe those 2 week patches got them too, seems like no player likes that, but they are all playing under the same circumstances. They have to get some time to practice, first time i see this team in maybe two years not on the same page. draft was not bad,only bad team work,it is glad to see miracle came to mid ,matu came to carry | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On May 27 2018 10:07 solid.salve3 wrote: kuroky- role 1 GH role 2 Miracle- role 3 MinD_ContRoL role 4 MATUMBAMAN role 5 I will see it it last experiment at last major later swaping role is one solution of all if they boring for they role as first TI winner they must try to new role to refresh themself not only strategy, role and anything is important for defend your title Fuck. No. This is the kind of shit they were doing when they first got GH and Miracle and were losing all the time. It was awful. Role swaps are not the solution to poor form. And moving their star player to offlane sure worked out great for EG, didn't it? | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On May 27 2018 11:44 SFDuality wrote: Fuck. No. This is the kind of shit they were doing when they first got GH and Miracle and were losing all the time. It was awful. Role swaps are not the solution to poor form. And moving their star player to offlane sure worked out great for EG, didn't it? I'll never forget Miracle Nyx The most missed impales above 2k in one game the world has ever seen xD | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
[Edit]: The Liquid chain feed has made an appearance at the Super Major. [Edit 2]: First in their group. I knew they could do it!!!! | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
A better strategy was clearly go through LB, get more practice games before TI | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On June 02 2018 21:19 LemOn wrote: Well this is a disaster, I hope the guys can recover from this. A better strategy was clearly go through LB, get more practice games before TI Did you mean do reply in the EG thread?  | ||
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chabode
330 Posts
On June 02 2018 21:19 LemOn wrote: Well this is a disaster, I hope the guys can recover from this. A better strategy was clearly go through LB, get more practice games before TI are you sure you are posting on right thread?  | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On June 03 2018 02:48 ShiaoPi wrote: It seems like you two are new here, lemOn always does that x) If joining teamliquid almost 12 years ago is new... then yes | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
They were really experimenting some cheesy strats the last couple of tourneys. Also last patch was really very minor, its like 7.15a - so they got time to study whats good. Valve announced that there will be one more patch before TI, then they will probably be back to the old patch system - two to three major patches per year, others are just bug fixes and balances, and that will be good for our boys too, I am waiting for that VP vs Liquid Bo5 final for quite some time now, lets hope we will get that! | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
No man wtf, I mean Liquid is obviously pretty much guaranteed to win the tournament one way or the other given how good they are obviously. I just don't get why they wouldn't take the opportunity to get more games in and do it from the Lb for better chance at breaking the Chinese winner Ti curse... | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On June 03 2018 08:33 LemOn wrote: No man wtf, I mean Liquid is obviously pretty much guaranteed to win the tournament one way or the other given how good they are obviously. I just don't get why they wouldn't take the opportunity to get more games in and do it from the Lb for better chance at breaking the Chinese winner Ti curse... It's true, they do need more games for practice. Other top teams actually played at ESL, Liquid lol. | ||
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