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juuto
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Geisterkarle
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On April 30 2018 18:31 Doneld G. wrote: EG fan coming here peacefully, was wondering how much of an impact Heen has on the team? I know he's a coach but how big is his role with TL (say compared to Artstyle, 71, Bulba, etc) Well, because of him, Liquid got 3. at last Dreamleague! So that is an impact!  Don't know what he is doing completely. I only see him while drafting, giving out ideas and tips and stuff! probably analyzing games and so on... | ||
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hunter_x
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YourGoodFriend
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sCuMBaG
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Offlanin him was | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
On May 01 2018 02:47 Geisterkarle wrote: Well, because of him, Liquid got 3. at last Dreamleague! So that is an impact! Don't know what he is doing completely. I only see him while drafting, giving out ideas and tips and stuff! probably analyzing games and so on... to expand on this, Heen recently answered a few questions on playing at that DreamLeague and how he helps the team in his role as coach, TLPro should have an article out soon-ish that combines him and zews' (Liquid's csgo coach who also played in a tournament recently) experience in that regard. Heen's answers to the questions were really good imo, a couple of funny answers as well so it should be a good article. I'll make sure to post it in here if it doesn't get cross posted and I'll also try to get a full interview with him for LiquidDota but the team has been extremely busy this year so I'm not sure when that will be =/ I'll be at TI though so at least we can get some stuff from them there :D | ||
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iinsom
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
Let's hope they can keep it up. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
However if we face them in first round, one of the two will be forced to Bo1... Winner of the Bo1 will get huge ammount of Points for being top 4 @ a Major. Stupid, but true. This group stages proved, that Bo3 is the way to go. Nothing unexpected happened, Best teams are on top. Weaker teams are out of the tournament. Maybe Newbie could've done better, but everything else seems OK. | ||
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juuto
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hunter_x
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
On May 03 2018 02:47 hunter_x wrote: I mean we play OG. Dont want to disrepect them, but that should be a pretty easy win for us;) Yeah, considering how they got dismantled by VP, TL should be able to do the same. However group stage and play-off is a different story, it just that OG looked really weak against VP | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
The number liquipedia quotes to qualify right now is 5402. Liquid needs 668 points to get there, and 3rd place grants 675 (225 * 3 players counted), so that would instantly qualify them. Happily, if they win vs OG that guarantees them 3rd place. The fortuitous part is that even if liquid choke horribly, this tournament is still going to pull that qualification number way down. 5402 is based on the premise that the top 9 teams split all the remaining points optimally (excluding vp). That means that any points which go to teams outside the top 9 are generally "wasted" which brings the 5402 number down. Since liquid is the only top9 team on its side of both the upper and lower brackets, even losing gives points to teams that "waste" them, which brings the number down. The absolute worst case scenario for TL involves LGD winning, Mineski coming second, OG 3rd and ftm or pain 4th. This only brings the number down to 5290, which brings liquid 112 points closer to qualifying. Interestingly, if VP win their series against LGD, the number drops a ton. At worst for liquid, this results in 1.LGD 2.OG 3.VP 4.pain/ftm . That brings the qualifying number to 5121, on other words bringing liquid 281 points closer than before this tournament. Obviously there are lots of other situations and there's no reason to expect liquid not to just win a bunch of points by winning games, but I just wanted to show how favourable even the "bad" scenarios are for liquid at this tournament, at least with respect to DPC points | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On May 03 2018 05:13 Sn0_Man wrote: Dunno if anybody has been mathing out DPC scenarios in this thread, but things are looking real good for liquid right now. The number liquipedia quotes to qualify right now is 5402. Liquid needs 668 points to get there, and 3rd place grants 675 (225 * 3 players counted), so that would instantly qualify them. Happily, if they win vs OG that guarantees them 3rd place. The fortuitous part is that even if liquid choke horribly, this tournament is still going to pull that qualification number way down. 5402 is based on the premise that the top 9 teams split all the remaining points optimally (excluding vp). That means that any points which go to teams outside the top 9 are generally "wasted" which brings the 5402 number down. Since liquid is the only top9 team on its side of both the upper and lower brackets, even losing gives points to teams that "waste" them, which brings the number down. The absolute worst case scenario for TL involves LGD winning, Mineski coming second, OG 3rd and ftm or pain 4th. This only brings the number down to 5290, which brings liquid 112 points closer to qualifying. Interestingly, if VP win their series against LGD, the number drops a ton. At worst for liquid, this results in 1.LGD 2.OG 3.VP 4.pain/ftm . That brings the qualifying number to 5121, on other words bringing liquid 281 points closer than before this tournament. Obviously there are lots of other situations and there's no reason to expect liquid not to just win a bunch of points by winning games, but I just wanted to show how favourable even the "bad" scenarios are for liquid at this tournament, at least with respect to DPC points Interesting math. But To be honest Liquid are qualified. Yeah, they are not mathematically. But Cmon what are the odds of Liquid not getting any points, and all the Teams bellow us in the rankings win / play finals in the remaining 4 events? Most of them are not even qualified for all. There is a higher chance that the Earth gets hit by a Super Nova beam from an outside galaxy than that happening. Not to mention - we will get the points here. Cmon its OG, i don't think they can even take a game if we play this seriously. Last month - maybe. But this Meta has Liquid and VP written all over it. So im only scared of VP, and they are only scared from our boys. Best news for now is that there is a very high chance that we get to see VP vs Liquid twice this week once in a Bo3 and Once in a Bo5 - and that will be memorable. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
It's also interesting to consider from the perspective of other teams since the magic number coming down is relevant to every team. In addition, virtually every situation in which tl gain relevant amounts of points causes them to start "wasting" points as well, since the magic number assumes nobody overshoots it. Every team still in this event that isn't lgd will waste some significant number of points if they win. | ||
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noh2o
China71 Posts
On May 03 2018 02:47 hunter_x wrote: I mean we play OG. Dont want to disrepect them, but that should be a pretty easy win for us;) i hope they will defend title | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
On May 03 2018 05:13 Sn0_Man wrote: Dunno if anybody has been mathing out DPC scenarios in this thread, but things are looking real good for liquid right now. The number liquipedia quotes to qualify right now is 5402. Liquid needs 668 points to get there, and 3rd place grants 675 (225 * 3 players counted), so that would instantly qualify them. Happily, if they win vs OG that guarantees them 3rd place. The fortuitous part is that even if liquid choke horribly, this tournament is still going to pull that qualification number way down. 5402 is based on the premise that the top 9 teams split all the remaining points optimally (excluding vp). That means that any points which go to teams outside the top 9 are generally "wasted" which brings the 5402 number down. Since liquid is the only top9 team on its side of both the upper and lower brackets, even losing gives points to teams that "waste" them, which brings the number down. The absolute worst case scenario for TL involves LGD winning, Mineski coming second, OG 3rd and ftm or pain 4th. This only brings the number down to 5290, which brings liquid 112 points closer to qualifying. Interestingly, if VP win their series against LGD, the number drops a ton. At worst for liquid, this results in 1.LGD 2.OG 3.VP 4.pain/ftm . That brings the qualifying number to 5121, on other words bringing liquid 281 points closer than before this tournament. Obviously there are lots of other situations and there's no reason to expect liquid not to just win a bunch of points by winning games, but I just wanted to show how favourable even the "bad" scenarios are for liquid at this tournament, at least with respect to DPC points That 5402 number is just theoratical. Any team above 3k points are surely through, and the only team that will drop out of top 8 would be probably VGJ.Thunder coz they don't have any tourneys to play; still this would require Na'vi or EG overtaking them (or other bottom teams). That 5402 number comes into play only if all the top DPC teams drop out of tourneys early, and only bottom DPC teams get points in tourneys, which is clearly not happening. | ||
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NInoff
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