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Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 16:49:42
May 04 2015 16:46 GMT
#261
0 shits were given. BU seem to be sooooo cocky there is no other way to explain their in-game decisions, getting rekt by VEGA lmao. Dear god that was just pathetic disband plz.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 16:50:23
May 04 2015 16:49 GMT
#262
To be fair, since Vega have picked up mag and solo they've crushed a fair few decent teams. Expect them to do damage in the EU qualifiers imo.

While I'm saying that it's no shame losing to vega, they DO need to improve to make it through TI qualifiers
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Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 16:53:00
May 04 2015 16:52 GMT
#263
On May 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
To be fair, since Vega have picked up mag and solo they've crushed a fair few decent teams. Expect them to do damage in the EU qualifiers imo.


Yes, but it felt like burden weren't trying to win the game, like stupid buybacks, continiously being caught out of position, actual 322'ing. The only player who tried to win was paris. I think its quite obvious there is something wrong within the team.
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 16:55:53
May 04 2015 16:55 GMT
#264
And getting through TI qualifiers...... not a snow balls chance in hell.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 04 2015 16:56 GMT
#265
we really need to move quote farther away from edit
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Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 16:59:42
May 04 2015 16:59 GMT
#266
On April 21 2015 11:56 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 11:52 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:15 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:11 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:06 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:59 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:39 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 06:59 Churrass wrote:
16 teams are already too much and full of bads...i dont want to watch an international where not today is playing against burden united

What's wrong with Burden United?

They belong in the tier of teams that maybe gets invited to quals and loses.

Na'Vi
NiP
Alliance
Tinker
Newbee
HR
Burden


I want whatever you are smoking if you think burden belongs in that group.

Have you watched them play? lol

Tinker is in that group. Do you think they belong?


I've been following Neqroman since sQreens squad actually.

Have you watched burden play at all recently? They have shown they can beat irrelevant teams in small cups and quals sure, but all those other teams have shown they can compete globally, or are dominant in their region.

Yeah I have. There's nothing but recent games from them. Among those are convincing wins over and close series with good teams.

As for your final assertion? I can't even.


Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested.

1-2 4anchors
0-2 GoL
0-2 4anchors
0-2 Vega

Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias.
AdministratorTeam Liquid VP of Esports
cuckoo
Profile Joined October 2014
595 Posts
May 04 2015 17:26 GMT
#267
it does feel they stop trying

they used to be great at decision making, and now its just stupidity after stupidity
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 18:13:02
May 04 2015 17:41 GMT
#268
On May 05 2015 02:26 cuckoo wrote:
it does feel they stop trying

they used to be great at decision making, and now its just stupidity after stupidity

This. In second game they win the lanes quite hard, even snowballing PA (2 early kills)... Then nothing.
Matthias_
Profile Joined February 2015
Netherlands89 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 19:12:47
May 04 2015 19:09 GMT
#269
On May 05 2015 01:59 Tephus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 11:56 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:52 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:15 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:11 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:06 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:59 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:39 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 06:59 Churrass wrote:
16 teams are already too much and full of bads...i dont want to watch an international where not today is playing against burden united

What's wrong with Burden United?

They belong in the tier of teams that maybe gets invited to quals and loses.

Na'Vi
NiP
Alliance
Tinker
Newbee
HR
Burden


I want whatever you are smoking if you think burden belongs in that group.

Have you watched them play? lol

Tinker is in that group. Do you think they belong?


I've been following Neqroman since sQreens squad actually.

Have you watched burden play at all recently? They have shown they can beat irrelevant teams in small cups and quals sure, but all those other teams have shown they can compete globally, or are dominant in their region.

Yeah I have. There's nothing but recent games from them. Among those are convincing wins over and close series with good teams.

As for your final assertion? I can't even.


Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested.

1-2 4anchors
0-2 GoL
0-2 4anchors
0-2 Vega

Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias.


Yeah I agree with your assessment that based on their latest games they're by no means in that tier. Although it kinda raises the question what 'that' tier is atm. I mean I don't think any of those teams have left a particularly strong impression as of late, kinda defeating the point about competing globally and being dominant in their region. I mean are Alliance and Na'vi being dominant in the EU region and are they competing globally as of late? Granted Alliance' form does seem to be improving.

I think Burden does belong on that list if they can get back to the form they had when playing D2CL groupstage. But who knows they could just be having a slight down and it's just before their up again, I mean 4asc and vega certainly look to be having an 'up' atm. You win some you lose some. By no means do I think BU is supposed to be disqualified from any sort of contender list for qualifiers of any sort because they've lost a few games, it happens.
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
May 04 2015 19:49 GMT
#270
Well, they are qualified for a lan if im not mistaken? It'll be interesting to see how they fare there..
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
May 04 2015 19:50 GMT
#271
On May 05 2015 01:59 Tephus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 11:56 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:52 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:15 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:11 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:06 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:59 Tephus wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:39 FHDH wrote:
On April 21 2015 06:59 Churrass wrote:
16 teams are already too much and full of bads...i dont want to watch an international where not today is playing against burden united

What's wrong with Burden United?

They belong in the tier of teams that maybe gets invited to quals and loses.

Na'Vi
NiP
Alliance
Tinker
Newbee
HR
Burden


I want whatever you are smoking if you think burden belongs in that group.

Have you watched them play? lol

Tinker is in that group. Do you think they belong?


I've been following Neqroman since sQreens squad actually.

Have you watched burden play at all recently? They have shown they can beat irrelevant teams in small cups and quals sure, but all those other teams have shown they can compete globally, or are dominant in their region.

Yeah I have. There's nothing but recent games from them. Among those are convincing wins over and close series with good teams.

As for your final assertion? I can't even.


Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested.

1-2 4anchors
0-2 GoL
0-2 4anchors
0-2 Vega

Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias.

I knew someone was going to go there.

Burden has pretty clearly stopped trying. How did they prepare for this? Well Sing did how many hours of streaming goofy party queue games in recent days? Not even playing some tryhard FPL.

Burden deciding they don't give a fuck anymore doesn't make me wrong, but go on with your bad self. No one follows me around the forums telling me everything I've been right about in an argument, but I know. I can handle it.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 19:56:22
May 04 2015 19:52 GMT
#272
I like how you get presented with hard facts that prove you wrong and you instantly decide that it's a personal feud instead of you know hard facts proving you wrong.

Anwyay, Burden do seem to not care very much about their matches. Which doesn't spell good things for their TI future, although it's hard to argue that they were ever really likely to even come runner up in the qualifiers for that TI wildcard possibility.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
May 04 2015 19:56 GMT
#273
On May 05 2015 04:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
I like how you get presented with hard facts that prove you wrong and you instantly decide that it's a personal feud instead of you know hard facts proving you wrong.

I said they were a team capable of X. They gave all indications they stopped trying to be that. But yeah, hard facts that prove me wrong, they definitely weren't capable of X because they didn't do it.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 20:07:37
May 04 2015 20:01 GMT
#274
?
you asserted that they have close series with and sometimes win convincingly over good teams
whereas they actually lose badly to shit teams

on top of u putting them in a tier list beside an invite, 3/4 front runners for the EU qualifiers and the front runner for the NA qualifier.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
May 04 2015 20:02 GMT
#275
On May 05 2015 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
?
you asserted that they have close series with and sometimes win convincingly over good teams
whereas they actually lose badly to shit teams

LOL OK dude. I guess you are bored today so you're going to troll. Or maybe you literally paid zero attention to BU prior to their rapid descent. Either way have fun with it.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
May 05 2015 18:51 GMT
#276
Or maybe we paid attention, which allowed us to actually evaluate where they were as a team, and laugh at your team comparisons, and now we've been proven right.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
May 05 2015 18:54 GMT
#277
On May 06 2015 03:51 Tephus wrote:
Or maybe we paid attention, which allowed us to actually evaluate where they were as a team, and laugh at your team comparisons, and now we've been proven right.

Or maybe IIIII paid attention, and maybe YOU, and your MOTHER, and NUH UH

User was warned for this post
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
booyalka
Profile Joined March 2012
United States194 Posts
May 05 2015 18:57 GMT
#278
there's no denying they've deteriorated quite badly recently so it's kind of dumb to hold their recent results up as evidence that someone's previous estimation of them was wrong like they weren't clearly a better team then
Saki [NETOGE]
Profile Joined November 2014
United States235 Posts
May 06 2015 05:00 GMT
#279
I just want them to not be Tinker. Either man up and get better, or disband and find new teams.
My banner is Cloud9 because MANGO! MANGO! MANGO!
Nagamundo
Profile Joined January 2013
131 Posts
May 06 2015 06:35 GMT
#280
On May 06 2015 03:54 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 03:51 Tephus wrote:
Or maybe we paid attention, which allowed us to actually evaluate where they were as a team, and laugh at your team comparisons, and now we've been proven right.

Or maybe IIIII paid attention, and maybe YOU, and your MOTHER, and NUH UH


You seem like a very angry and antagonistic person.
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