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Weh Sing "SingSing" Yuen
Selim Oynar "Neqroman" Oynar 
Alexandru "ComeWithMe" Craciunescu 
Johan "Mynuts" Andersson ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/a/a9/Captain.png)
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Burden United Discussion
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goody153
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Burden United Weh Sing "SingSing" Yuen Selim Oynar "Neqroman" Oynar Alexandru "ComeWithMe" Craciunescu Johan "Mynuts" Andersson UPDATES | ||
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goody153
44088 Posts
I hope this team last. Not disband like a short time after honeymoon phase like many teams :\ | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
instead of the originally announced bamboe | ||
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goody153
44088 Posts
pretty sure it's a tryout or stand.in bamboe is out | ||
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Sn0_Man
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goody153
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
Watching second BBC game now, unsure if this is going anywhere, might've run out of juice after 2-0ing NiP. fixed: | ||
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cuckoo
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blobrus
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Also i really question that Sniper picks ... alot ... | ||
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MirageTaN
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Furikawari
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 11 2015 23:24 Furikawari wrote: I dunno what Neqro built on sniper but my goto build these days in something like maelstrom-S&Y-Skadi. In pubs seing the guys trying to gank a 2k4 hp sniper is always funny he went straight sny skadi, no as, no damage. i know this is a thing, but if voids going aghs for u, u need to get damage, not tank. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
But you can see the potential, just a lot of miscommunication plays happening | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
Then again placing your ward inside a void ult can't really be put down as miscommunication, more as a misplay imo. I'd say given what I've seen so far this team should be ok given some time to practice and gel a bit more. | ||
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Lets hope the team lasts long enough to see it get some nice results ! | ||
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G3CKO
Canada1430 Posts
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cuckoo
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(note this was posted yesterday) | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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goody153
44088 Posts
they 2-0'd empire convincingly alright boys looks like we probably found the team of reject with a winning formula | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 13 2015 04:24 goody153 wrote: On the second day they are playing they 2-0'd empire convincingly alright boys looks like we probably found the team of reject with a winning formula i give them 2 more weeks | ||
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Hoenicker
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On March 13 2015 04:38 Beirut wrote: Hilarious that this team looked like the absolute bottom of the barrel, and now they come out of the gate 2-0ing teams people are putting up as possible TI5 invites. Mynuts and co. definitely have my attention. well they were 2-0'd by BBC yesterday too... they have to go through loser brackets from round 1 to qualify for esl, going to be tough. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 13 2015 05:39 Hoenicker wrote: well they were 2-0'd by BBC yesterday too... they have to go through loser brackets from round 1 to qualify for esl, going to be tough. BBC's actually a lot better than they were last year. now if they could get a real carry instead of that padrinho guy who keeps getting caught everywhere he tries to farm.. tho he is their captain and the only remaining member of the former roster so that's probably not happening. also game 2 was easily winnable for burden if mynuts didn't do what he did and if sniper bought damage to kill people in chrono. edit: levi was also playing for their last roster, forgot about hi. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Hoenicker
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Furikawari
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On March 13 2015 18:05 saocyn wrote: (...)but sing-sing's reputation isn't one for being consistent or loyal. Saying he's disloyal isn't really accurate though, I mean if you get let go by a team because they feel a different person might be a better fit for your position it doesn't mean you're disloyal to the team. I have to agree on consistency though but I'm pretty sure that's also partly due to what we've seen from his TT plays. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On March 13 2015 18:05 saocyn wrote: anything to shake up the scene is good but these reincarnations of "rejects" in all it's forms are getting redundant and played out. seeing as how i sympathize with the difficulty of making it in dota, i hope they succeed. but sing-sing's reputation isn't one for being consistent or loyal. any team he joins does well in it's inception so we'll have to see how well he performs after the honey moon period. I don't even like sing much, but cloud9 was one of the best teams in the west and he stayed with them until he got kicked. I remember him being loyal with earlier teams as well, but I'm not sure on that. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On March 13 2015 23:44 DucK- wrote: sing playing carry is interesting. better than him playing support  | ||
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DoctorHeckle
United States192 Posts
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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booyalka
United States194 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On March 14 2015 03:51 Rodrak wrote: When is a BU Match versus a Tier 1 team? (If there are any) Yeah I'm not sure when TI5 starts either | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On March 14 2015 04:37 cuckoo wrote: Holy shit, CWM is playing the shit out of his mind at this team I admit, I'm not a big fan of him, but his VS plays in the games I've watched BU the past days have been top notch. But let's see if he'll have a Echo->Blink brainfart moment again. Tho as other people already said, skill has never been his problem. | ||
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
I was late to the party , and there is no news on the liquidpedia page . | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
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TheSmokeyy90
United States108 Posts
Aside from getting 2-0'd by BBC, Burden has looked solid! I am excited for this team! | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 14 2015 06:44 TheSmokeyy90 wrote: Neqroman is legit. I had never even heard of him before this team was formed, though I can't say I am familiar with the lesser known good players. Aside from getting 2-0'd by BBC, Burden has looked solid! I am excited for this team! he played in one of pgg's teams and another cis stack tho i don't remember which one. this is the best team he's had until now by far. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Not the bestest of teams but still a win :x | ||
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calippo
Sweden2525 Posts
On March 16 2015 03:51 Sa6peto wrote: Another 2-0 this time against BBC . Not the bestest of teams but still a win :x same team they lost 0-2 vs in the ESL qualifier | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
the finals is tomorrow vs. M5 | ||
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
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TheSmokeyy90
United States108 Posts
Go BU! | ||
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
On March 16 2015 05:35 calippo wrote: same team they lost 0-2 vs in the ESL qualifier Was W33 in the ESL game? Not saying it was a factor in Hitbox, but just wondering. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
On March 16 2015 22:27 cuckoo wrote: Nope, Padrinho played instead of w33 @ ESL Should be interesting to see if hey take W33 back for good or if they keep Padrinho when they play Flipside/rest of ESL (I don't have highs hopes for Flipside). | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Come rail in general RL thread. | ||
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gergnub
Finland51 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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goody153
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
With BU now, as least they have some overall game plan. Their play look really cohesive and their movements have a sense of purpose. Also, Mynuts and CWM have been really great on support so far, something Tinker lacked. I also really want Sing to succeed, and while BU does not have many big names, their play has been really promising | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
(except the part where they kick sing) | ||
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On March 17 2015 05:29 Rodrak wrote: I cannot find the VOD for the last 3 Matches of Hitbox CHampionship, I tried looking for it and I cannot find it. Hitbox doesn't keep past broadcasts like twitch : / http://www.hitbox.tv/prodotaen/videos they don't appear to be up yet though | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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TheSmokeyy90
United States108 Posts
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 18 2015 01:25 Hoenicker wrote: WTB BU FLAIR its difficult to flair them when they lack coherent team branding and logos | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
On another note, is PL coming back into meta? | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On March 18 2015 01:56 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: On another note, is PL coming back into meta? PL wasn't enabled in CM for a long time, but he's been reasonably popular since coming back. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
and he played meepo mid | ||
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cuckoo
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
btw this team has won all tournaments completed after DAC, I wonder if anyone can stop them. sing offlane PL, feeds and still ends up carrying | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On March 18 2015 04:34 Vaelone wrote: I only recall sing playing mid Kunkka in qpad and waga playing carry. yeah QPAD started with Sing in mid and Waga carry and Select on the offlane. But with Select only played Magnus and inexperience on any other offlane heroes, they moved Select to mid and Waga took over on the offlane. Sing then played carry and he did pretty well there with some heroes like AM | ||
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Hoenicker
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
Let's go 6-0 boys :D | ||
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goody153
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cuckoo
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On March 19 2015 04:51 LemOn wrote: 1st game champ. 2:1 incoming :D D2CL does 2 game series for the group stage | ||
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Hoenicker
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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cuckoo
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On March 19 2015 06:08 Kabras wrote: well the last fight in the rosh pit sing was on the other side of the map and couldn't get there in time. if he was there to follow up on that hole they wouldve won the fight. mynuts enigma is pretty questionable tho.. he holds on to the ult for so damn long all the time even with a bkb. like if u catch jugg with it theres nothing to cancel it. anyway, i don't think they got outdrafted this game, their line up was a lot harder to execute and that's not what u want to be picking as a new team. alliance had really smart bans too, no pl and venge which is what they've been playing most of their games. Aren't SB and Troll both able to stun through BKB. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 19 2015 06:11 FHDH wrote: Aren't SB and Troll both able to stun through BKB. i mean if theyre able to get behind the enigma yea. but sb cant charge into it cuz he'll get stuck in the hole. they both have to come from behind or basically already be behind her. if they have to go around the hole to hit it will be too late anyway. i guess sb can ult from pretty far so he could do it. im not saying he should immediately jump on the solo jugg but like at least use it more than twice a game. also he never does the standard lvl 6 solo bh free kill on a core which pretty much every other pro enigma does. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
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Daralii
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goody153
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On March 19 2015 13:33 Daralii wrote: Ar1se is out. wrong thread that's basically unknown not burden united lol | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On March 19 2015 13:37 goody153 wrote: wrong thread that's basically unknown not burden united lol It's clearly Nazghul's fault - why not make the team name official at last so this stuff doesn't happen? | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On March 19 2015 14:20 DavoS wrote: Catching up on some BU VoDs. Carry is definitely the role for Sing, lets him do his thing where he farms while trying to trade. Also, how did nobody see Neqroman coming? Guy's a beast Well, some of us know him already | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
On March 19 2015 10:29 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: edit im retarded and got the two BUs mixed up Not only you dude , not only you :D I spent half an hour digging up what happened , then i realised its Basicaly ... and facepalmed my self with a chair . | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 19 2015 14:20 DavoS wrote: Catching up on some BU VoDs. Carry is definitely the role for Sing, lets him do his thing where he farms while trying to trade. Also, how did nobody see Neqroman coming? Guy's a beast Quite a few games of Sniper vs SF, I see him win the early CS, then forget to farm cuz he is busy trying to get kills. Then he falls behind hard. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On March 19 2015 14:20 DavoS wrote: Catching up on some BU VoDs. Carry is definitely the role for Sing, lets him do his thing where he farms while trying to trade. Also, how did nobody see Neqroman coming? Guy's a beast Alott of people saw Neqroman coming, he just needed a good team to get some spotlight... | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On March 22 2015 15:10 MirageTaN wrote: IS THIS THE NEW LIQUID , I MEAN SING IS DUTCH NAZGUL IS DUTCH OMG LIQUID CONFIRMED Seriously, all caps bro? We've known this for a very long time, it's just not official yet - there is just final negotiations with GGA to release the 2 guys that were under contract and we are good 2go | ||
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cuckoo
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goody153
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govie
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
On March 23 2015 01:11 Kabras wrote: so mynuts isn't playing cuz it's his birthday? seriously? yea, i found that kinda stupid aswell. specially since it's an importante qualifier game | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
why they picked him as standin | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
And yes not playing cause you're 'still' enjoying your birthday seems pretty idiotic. | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
Hopefully team is not falling apart It's so unprofessional missing a series because of a birthday. They almost didn't played the whole week, and I mean, it's Sunday, ffs. Celebrate it on a Saturday like normal people. | ||
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calippo
Sweden2525 Posts
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Hoenicker
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On March 23 2015 02:57 FHDH wrote: Sing has been streaming a LOT less since he joined this team. Only in the last few days has he streamed anywhere close to what he used to. When he first joined he disappeared from Twitch for like two weeks. Wasn't that due to him going on holiday for a bit. Pretty sure he's only been streaming this week since the Alliance match was cancelled due to twitch being down. | ||
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
Welp maybe Valve recognizes their potential... | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 23 2015 03:33 Dysisa wrote: Maybe someone else had made plans for MyNuts because of it being his birthday and he couldn't get out of them, idk. Seems silly to get all hung up on that, he couldn't play and that's that. But I guess everyone is just upset about the loss and want to find someone/something to direct their anger at. Regardless, you can't win 'em all. even if they had won without him, that's not a reason to not play an elimination match. regardless of win or lose, it shows how far up dota is on his priority list. whatever, demon made it to ti4 after ditching matches for the gym, other people can do it too amirite? | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On March 23 2015 04:02 Kabras wrote: even if they had won without him, that's not a reason to not play an elimination match. regardless of win or lose, it shows how far up dota is on his priority list. whatever, demon made it to ti4 after ditching matches for the gym, other people can do it too amirite? Say that for example his girlfriend had made reservations for a nice and expensive restaurant which happened to coincide with when the game was being played, that's a situation anyone would skip out on the game in. All I'm saying is, don't make him out to be the devil unless you actually have the whole picture. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Hoenicker
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bananaboy378
United Kingdom39 Posts
Sing is back to streaming, they barely practise, MyNuts missed a match for his birthday and I've seen CWM playing as a standin for another team and their 5th player jumped ship when a team offered a place for him... It screams they don't care about the team, and it's just another failstack like TT or sing's previous team. | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On March 23 2015 19:45 bananaboy378 wrote: it's just another failstack like TT or sing's previous team. You mean C9 at TI4 was a fail stack? or TT, which is in fact Bulba's team... r8 your h8 8/8 m8. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 23 2015 23:03 Hoenicker wrote: You mean C9 at TI4 was a fail stack? or TT, which is in fact Bulba's team... r8 your h8 8/8 m8. Think by TT he meant current TT, and by previous team he meant old TT. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On March 23 2015 17:18 Hoenicker wrote: Maybe they didnt care as going through that losers bracket is nigh on impossible anyway. +1 I really think that's it aswell. On March 23 2015 19:45 bananaboy378 wrote: Sing is back to streaming, they barely practise, All the hate they're getting over Sing streaming is unfounded. I mean sing's been streaming since the alliance match was cancelled/rescheduled due to twitch being down which was halfway through last week. So he's streamed for like 3 days. If it was apparent they weren't going to try as hard as normal for the ESL losers bracket qualifier spot I don't think it's strange to lay off the practice and just relax a bit. I mean sing's not streaming today, could be they're practicing for tomorrow's match who knows. And also I really don't know when they practice and when they don't. I highly doubt you do either. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 23 2015 17:18 Hoenicker wrote: Maybe they didnt care as going through that losers bracket is nigh on impossible anyway. Lol, if that's actually their attitude, what's the point of even making a team? Hope for easy invites based on name and popularity or something? | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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Hoenicker
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cuckoo
595 Posts
not it wasnt. team is totally different with mynuts. he's clearly the shot-caller TEAM IS STILL ALIVE BOYS | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:14 cuckoo wrote: LOL not it wasnt. team is totally different with mynuts. he's clearly the shot-caller TEAM IS STILL ALIVE BOYS he is the captain after all | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
btw still no stable 5th player? | ||
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goody153
44088 Posts
yeah go liquid@! | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
they look especially awful today | ||
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govie
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cuckoo
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cuckoo
595 Posts
HR saying a big fuck you to ddosers | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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govie
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
They couldve gone just ... follow the rules and get the 1-0 lead... but they played it nice and postponed the game ! Good job , you got a new fan ! Tho Sing is still in the top of my heart ! | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On March 27 2015 14:41 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: 2-0 on Na'Vi. Looking good from BU. To be fair it should have been 1-1. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1948 Posts
Did Na'Vi throw hard in one of the games or something? | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On March 27 2015 15:30 Just_a_Moth wrote: Did Na'Vi throw hard in one of the games or something? They were winning then Phobos DC'd, waited waited waited, didn't come back, BU came back and won | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On March 27 2015 15:30 Just_a_Moth wrote: Did Na'Vi throw hard in one of the games or something? Phobos lag'ed hard, reconnected many times but eventually the match continued into an expected comeback from BU. | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
On March 27 2015 16:47 Laserist wrote: Phobos lag'ed hard, reconnected many times but eventually the match continued into an expected comeback from BU. I admit that it should have been 1-1, but I like to think Burden could have still won against the full Na'Vi. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On March 27 2015 16:54 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: I admit that it should have been 1-1, but I like to think Burden could have still won against the full Na'Vi. Well, even thou Navi had the clear advantage, also BU had a strong timing with Troll. I'd say %70 favoring Navi depending on execution. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Do it fast before disbanderino plz :D | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 27 2015 18:30 Furikawari wrote: WHERE IS MY SQUIRREL FLAIR???? + Show Spoiler + Do it fast before disbanderino plz :D stop it ur gonna jinx it and were gonna end up like ehome | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On March 27 2015 19:48 Kabras wrote: stop it ur gonna jinx it and were gonna end up like ehome fun fact EHOME.my was actually released entirely because we released EHOME flair on LD so watch out BU~ | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
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govie
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cuckoo
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On March 27 2015 22:07 DucK- wrote: You know I thought because hr offered burden a rematch because they did not want to win 4v5, burden would have done the same for navi. they offered to postpone, navi wanted to play ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ErXfxnP.png) you can't expect everyone to reschedule tho. it was a good gesture from HR, but i dont really see any other team doing it | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On March 28 2015 00:28 cuckoo wrote: you can't expect everyone to reschedule tho. it was a good gesture from HR, but i dont really see any other team doing it See HR was just awesome for allowing the matches to be played over and they deserve to be commended for it. But this situation was a little different. BU gave Na'vi all the time to wait for the disconnected player to reconnect in both matches and even offered to postpone, HR told BU they would wait another 10-15 minutes when the maximum pause time was reached. Secondly BU didn't say they needed to play on, Na'vi themselves did. They chose to play with 4v5 themselves, can't really blame BU for going along with that. I think the reasoning from Na'vi was that it was 'in the bag' because they had a pretty big advantage, as far as I could tell they were winning at that point, and figured it was ok microing the bristle to secure the win. I think that reasoning was wrong and that should also be the reason for BU not offering to redo the match(es). | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Now with all seriousness , that second game was tense ... | ||
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TheSmokeyy90
United States108 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
also you can find them in joinDOTARed's twitch archive | ||
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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Hoenicker
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On April 08 2015 09:12 Rodrak wrote: To be fair they defiantly got a run for their money. I was surprised by how well Team Crucial were at fights/punishing over-extension. Though Crucial ultimately lost to that being their only strongpoint. well game 1 was over in about 25 minutes, crucial gave BU jugg + sniper = ez game. | ||
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govie
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FHDH
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booyalka
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Sa6peto
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I bet sing is getting pretty annoying against the space cow :x 4 bashes in a roll ... Lmao that space cow ... | ||
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Hoenicker
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LemOn
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goody153
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booyalka
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Sn0_Man
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to be fair i'd be pretty salty too but it's certainly not only bashes that ruined them | ||
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Sn0_Man
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its hard to say "CWM has huge attitude issues" when obviously i've never interacted with him personally nor have I really heard it from anybody who has but its pretty true regardless Lets see if burden can manage to lose to complexity too! rofl | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Looking @ the game against Col atm tho , sing seems angry Smiting lowly Col mambers ... net worth doubling the 2 enemy cores together :x | ||
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Koerage
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Sa6peto
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cuckoo
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Sad they lost, at least they're still alive @ DreamLeague | ||
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
That was so funny lol :D Everyone who call that BM should get a sense of humor from eBay . | ||
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govie
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Murkinlol
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Hoenicker
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On April 14 2015 03:26 Hoenicker wrote: zai standin for singsing, they lost the first game vs goomba. they got rekt by storm. Ah, that's what the deal is. Is Sing in the second game or is this overlay just lying? Also why did Sing need a standin? | ||
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booyalka
United States194 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Anyone know ? | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On April 14 2015 04:27 Sa6peto wrote: What actually happened , and why wasnt sing in game 1 ? Anyone know ? Sing played in game 2 and 3, which they won handily, 2-1. | ||
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Murkinlol
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Hoenicker
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
On April 14 2015 05:59 Hoenicker wrote: Sing played in game 2 and 3, which they won handily, 2-1. yeah i watched half game 2 and the whole game 3. I just wondered why wasnt sing in Game 1 tho . | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Warfie
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
That fight on the Tier 3 Bottom where sing just Avalanche toss the whole other team ... kinda turned the game. Still havent won that yet ,but its looking well :! Edit: And yet another comeback . | ||
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Hoenicker
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LemOn
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Thats like the most 1sided game I've seen in Awhile . | ||
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govie
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Sn0_Man
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govie
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On April 17 2015 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote: teddy has to beat the other BU (basically unknown) before they can beat this BU In Teddy we trustl | ||
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Count9
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Instantly tough ... ok they lost , they went insane :| So far its actually okay tho , alltho i would love to hear his reaction when they tough bout picking up viper for him xD | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
1) Morale is clearly high, Sing obviously likes playing with these guys 2) And of course you get to hear Sing in tryhard mode as opposed to party pub mode That said I'm sure he cried a little when Viper was picked for him. Recently he played it on stream and he was having a good early game with MoM build. Later he was like "OK now I remember why I hate this hero. Start of game you have one ability, everyone has one ability, life is good. Then you have one ability and everyone has three. Life is not good." | ||
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cuckoo
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
But im happy that This BU Finally made it trough :D Cause i was starting to imagine them in the 3rd Qualifier for a moment there. But yeah i do agree that it does seem like the morale is high in the team , i watched the 1st game of that league you ware mentioning.... when they played against Rtz S4 and some other ppl ... and they really did seem to have fun :D Like when Neqro lost the aegis Almost instantly , and they sayd smthng along the line * you do that every time , even in pro games * and they ware all laughing and stuff ... so yeah . Looking forward to LAN's :x | ||
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Hoenicker
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
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FHDH
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Hoenicker
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
Perfect example: Lina pushing T2 solo, getting caught then inc Mynuts to feed more... wow. | ||
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Hoenicker
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cuckoo
595 Posts
sing is streaming all the time and cwm always on FPL but this game just felt really weird. never seen CWM and mynuts getting caught out so many times | ||
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govie
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Cmon ... get your shit together :| | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:36 Sa6peto wrote: W8 did they actually play 2 games with the exact same lineups ... and lost both of them :c ? Cmon ... get your shit together :| That's on me, I misinputted into LP Sorry! | ||
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govie
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:12 govie wrote: haha, hatetrain derailed again I don't hate these guys at all, I'm always rooting for them when they play. But gotta be real with how their performance has been going in the wrong direction. | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:12 govie wrote: haha, hatetrain derailed again I mean, they did still lose 2-0 | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
They are mediocre but not all teams win every qualifier. I too am a bit disappointed tho, seeing the big names on this roster. The question is, are they playing together because they want to, or are they playing together to find others to play with... | ||
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cuckoo
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Hoenicker
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
Like two weeks ago I got to see Sing playing with some of his teammates and morale seemed quite high. Of course, the thing with Mynuts missing quals for his birthday has always been a bit alarming. So wtf is going on | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Elyvilon
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Hoenicker
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 30 2015 03:39 Elyvilon wrote: It's possible players already know whether their team has a qualifier invite and burden knows that they're not. Makes sence. But they have 3 high rated players on that team just like alliance and got similar results (still bad but whatever). | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On April 30 2015 03:39 Hoenicker wrote: Well game 2 seemed to be going well for them, then Neqro dc'd and the flow was gone. he was 5-0 on troll, and sing got fb with tiny, really wierd how they lost that game (rubberband?). Not rubberband, stupid rosh fights as I have seen too many ones lastly in pro games. Neqr0 died 3 times in this rosh attempt. That's just dumb. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
maybe they're just waiting for the next patch, who knows | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
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goody153
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for sure they'll be on the qualifiers | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
if they adapt to 6.84 faster than the others they might have a shot | ||
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govie
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goody153
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On April 30 2015 22:33 cuckoo wrote: i actually think all these t2 teams on europe are on the same level if they adapt to 6.84 faster than the others they might have a shot not from the looks of it VP and Empire are above a bit just a bit but others are close kinda . Actually you maybe right but i'd put burden and NIP at the bottom of t2 teams. edit: fuck i forgot about HR .. HR probably has a good shot on par with vp/empire if those two don't get invited | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Sure, after the last few games they might be on the edge of not getting a direct invite even, but they should should make TI through qualifiers without any issues | ||
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goody153
44088 Posts
On April 30 2015 22:41 LemOn wrote: So many haters here, Even the biggest champions had to face some setbacks. Sure, after the last few games they might be on the edge of not getting a direct invite even, but they should should make TI through qualifiers without any issues they are surely on the qualifiers along with na'vi/alliance/HR/VP(prob)/empire(probably) uhm idk who else are in but invite for them has always been non-existent honestly even during their debut they are not that good enough to get an invite | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
If they adapt to 6.84 and haven't just given up I can see them getting top 2 and flying out to seattle even if they can't win the play-in though, but then again EU is a mess right now so 5 different teams can all do that without a clear favorite. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
My concern isn't about them losing some games; that happens. It's about the appearance that they are not serious. Also I'll say it again: HR is not getting an invite. | ||
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trollcenter
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LemOn
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On May 01 2015 03:02 trollcenter wrote: I'll be a fan no matter what. Yeah agreed Would be a shame not to see them at TI, serious or not | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
While I'm saying that it's no shame losing to vega, they DO need to improve to make it through TI qualifiers | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On May 05 2015 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote: To be fair, since Vega have picked up mag and solo they've crushed a fair few decent teams. Expect them to do damage in the EU qualifiers imo. Yes, but it felt like burden weren't trying to win the game, like stupid buybacks, continiously being caught out of position, actual 322'ing. The only player who tried to win was paris. I think its quite obvious there is something wrong within the team. | ||
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Hoenicker
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Sn0_Man
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On April 21 2015 11:56 FHDH wrote: Yeah I have. There's nothing but recent games from them. Among those are convincing wins over and close series with good teams. As for your final assertion? I can't even. Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested. 1-2 4anchors 0-2 GoL 0-2 4anchors 0-2 Vega Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
they used to be great at decision making, and now its just stupidity after stupidity | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On May 05 2015 02:26 cuckoo wrote: it does feel they stop trying they used to be great at decision making, and now its just stupidity after stupidity This. In second game they win the lanes quite hard, even snowballing PA (2 early kills)... Then nothing. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On May 05 2015 01:59 Tephus wrote: Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested. 1-2 4anchors 0-2 GoL 0-2 4anchors 0-2 Vega Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias. Yeah I agree with your assessment that based on their latest games they're by no means in that tier. Although it kinda raises the question what 'that' tier is atm. I mean I don't think any of those teams have left a particularly strong impression as of late, kinda defeating the point about competing globally and being dominant in their region. I mean are Alliance and Na'vi being dominant in the EU region and are they competing globally as of late? Granted Alliance' form does seem to be improving. I think Burden does belong on that list if they can get back to the form they had when playing D2CL groupstage. But who knows they could just be having a slight down and it's just before their up again, I mean 4asc and vega certainly look to be having an 'up' atm. You win some you lose some. By no means do I think BU is supposed to be disqualified from any sort of contender list for qualifiers of any sort because they've lost a few games, it happens. | ||
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Hoenicker
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 05 2015 01:59 Tephus wrote: Bringing this over here as it was from the Navi discussion.. but I'm feeling pretty vindicated. Since this disagreement, Burden have lost all 4 of their matches, all to teams that exist in a lower tier than suggested. 1-2 4anchors 0-2 GoL 0-2 4anchors 0-2 Vega Just one of those times that you can point out the fanboy's bias. I knew someone was going to go there. Burden has pretty clearly stopped trying. How did they prepare for this? Well Sing did how many hours of streaming goofy party queue games in recent days? Not even playing some tryhard FPL. Burden deciding they don't give a fuck anymore doesn't make me wrong, but go on with your bad self. No one follows me around the forums telling me everything I've been right about in an argument, but I know. I can handle it. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Anwyay, Burden do seem to not care very much about their matches. Which doesn't spell good things for their TI future, although it's hard to argue that they were ever really likely to even come runner up in the qualifiers for that TI wildcard possibility. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 05 2015 04:52 Sn0_Man wrote: I like how you get presented with hard facts that prove you wrong and you instantly decide that it's a personal feud instead of you know hard facts proving you wrong. I said they were a team capable of X. They gave all indications they stopped trying to be that. But yeah, hard facts that prove me wrong, they definitely weren't capable of X because they didn't do it. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
you asserted that they have close series with and sometimes win convincingly over good teams whereas they actually lose badly to shit teams on top of u putting them in a tier list beside an invite, 3/4 front runners for the EU qualifiers and the front runner for the NA qualifier. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 05 2015 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote: ? you asserted that they have close series with and sometimes win convincingly over good teams whereas they actually lose badly to shit teams LOL OK dude. I guess you are bored today so you're going to troll. Or maybe you literally paid zero attention to BU prior to their rapid descent. Either way have fun with it. | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 06 2015 03:51 Tephus wrote: Or maybe we paid attention, which allowed us to actually evaluate where they were as a team, and laugh at your team comparisons, and now we've been proven right. Or maybe IIIII paid attention, and maybe YOU, and your MOTHER, and NUH UH User was warned for this post | ||
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booyalka
United States194 Posts
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Saki [NETOGE]
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Nagamundo
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On May 06 2015 03:54 FHDH wrote: Or maybe IIIII paid attention, and maybe YOU, and your MOTHER, and NUH UH You seem like a very angry and antagonistic person. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 06 2015 15:35 Nagamundo wrote: You seem like a very angry and antagonistic person. No I was just responding to how childish I thought that was. Basically a NUH UH, YUH HUH back-and-forth. A low-content, insulting post worthy of a similar response, if you will. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10668 Posts
You were hiping them / were plain wrong.. People pointed that out. Then you instantly got all mad and whiny. Just calm down? | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 06 2015 21:00 Velr wrote: Dude... You were hiping them / were plain wrong.. People pointed that out. Then you instantly got all mad and whiny. Just calm down? ...I am calm. I didn't bring the conversation from another thread and start laying down childish rhetoric. I dunno why anyone thinks I am mad? The whole thing was pretty hurr hurr. | ||
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Hoenicker
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 06 2015 22:39 Hoenicker wrote: Y U SO MAD BRO? cwm still has his toxicity problem, I think being on a team with that guy for longer than a month would drive anyone crazy, and into a feeding frenzy to disbanderino. Yeah I'm wondering. I haven't heard much actual news out of this team for a while. Why was MyNuts gone? Has he left the team now? They were so much worse without him when they played those two qualifiers on his birthday. On the other hand...he chose to be gone on his birthday. I mean the team is literally not what it once was, in the before time, several weeks ago. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 07 2015 17:45 Matthias_ wrote: Well they have an invite for ti qualifiers. Interested to see how they'll perform, but unless all the losses were a ruse I don't see them winning the qualifier or get in through wildcard. But who knows they might surprise us, need to keep hoping right guys, RIGHT!? I mean, all the giving-a-fuck seems to have vanished. So unfortunately no hope I can see. | ||
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Netherlands89 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
Edit: At least Sing is not streaming today... | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 07 2015 19:19 Furikawari wrote: Frankly when I saw how shitty they became pas weeks, I wondered if teams already knew about qualifiers invites... They dont even have this as an excuse. Edit: At least Sing is not streaming today... Probably just means he is having ice cream with Fwosh and wondering what the fuck happened to his career. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Pwaat
France32 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
I don' think it's fair to say that they suddenly started slumping when this losing streak started. | ||
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Rix
Singapore39 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On May 08 2015 11:36 Tephus wrote: Even before all these losses, the teams they beat were Unknown, Flipside, Yellow Submarine, and Goomba, which were preceded by a tie with PR and a loss to VP/asus. Their last 'big' win was a 2-0 over Empire in early march, two months ago, and one of their first matches. I don' think it's fair to say that they suddenly started slumping when this losing streak started. 2-0 v Na'vi, 2-0 NiP during D2CL also, so you're kinda skipping over particular results it seems. I'm not trying to prove they're better than you're making them out to be, cause at the moment they're just not great. But if their form during D2CL shows us anything it's that they can compete with the teams in the qualifier right now. | ||
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Tephus
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govie
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:34 Tephus wrote: If you consider beating NiP or middle-of-roster-changes Na`vi a big win for them, then we are in agreement that they generally don't belong in the same 'tier'. Yeah I mean who are NiP, only one of the top considerations for a European invite. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:48 FHDH wrote: Yeah I mean who are NiP, only one of the top considerations for a European invite. ? nip didn't get invited EU got 4 invites (which is a lot) and it wasn't close | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:48 FHDH wrote: Yeah I mean who are NiP, only one of the top considerations for a European invite. For fanboys, I guess. And it's not because of their performance, but their stability. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote: ? nip didn't get invited EU got 4 invites (which is a lot) and it wasn't close I didn't have them in my brackets because they weren't one of the top four. And no it wasn't close. But if you go outside the top four it's extremely tight with them and the nearest. NiP have been quite good. Obviously not top-tier. No one is contending BU was either. Of course, NiP has been on a slide too. Hooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaay | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:34 Tephus wrote: If you consider beating NiP or middle-of-roster-changes Na`vi a big win for them, then we are in agreement that they generally don't belong in the same 'tier'. Well you mentioned it as 'big' which implies you didn't consider the Empire an actual big win in the first place. I'd rank Na'vi and NiP at roughly the same level, Na'vi slightly lower at that point in time cause their performances were awful. But NiP and Empire 1-1'd around that time. So I'd say that at that point in time they were equal, unless it was a clear outdraft from either team. | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On May 09 2015 05:06 FHDH wrote: I didn't have them in my brackets because they weren't one of the top four. And no it wasn't close. But if you go outside the top four it's extremely tight with them and the nearest. NiP have been quite good. Obviously not top-tier. No one is contending BU was either. Of course, NiP has been on a slide too. Hooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaay It was maybe close between a couple teams not named NiP. The problem wasn;t that you were saying burden was top tier, it was that you were contending that BU belonged in the same discussion as other much-better teams: Na'Vi - outside chance of qualifying NiP - close to 0 chance of qualifying Alliance - Good chance of qualifying Tinker - Good chance of qualifying Newbee - invited HR - Decent chance of qualifying Burden - ?!?!? Your list, not mine. | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On May 09 2015 05:06 Matthias_ wrote: Well you mentioned it as 'big' which implies you didn't consider the Empire an actual big win in the first place. I'd rank Na'vi and NiP at roughly the same level, Na'vi slightly lower at that point in time cause their performances were awful. But NiP and Empire 1-1'd around that time. So I'd say that at that point in time they were equal, unless it was a clear outdraft from either team. It was a poor choice of grammar on my side, I was attempting to add emphasis. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 09 2015 05:14 Tephus wrote: It was maybe close between a couple teams not named NiP. The problem wasn;t that you were saying burden was top tier, it was that you were contending that BU belonged in the same discussion as other much-better teams: Na'Vi - outside chance of qualifying NiP - close to 0 chance of qualifying Alliance - Good chance of qualifying Tinker - Good chance of qualifying Newbee - invited HR - Decent chance of qualifying Burden - ?!?!? Your list, not mine. I know it was my list, I did write it. Burden out the gate looked about the same level as VPP. They looked to be on the verge of becoming legit. But let's go through that list: Na'Vi: Has mostly looked like trash since TI4 with emotionally crushing flashes of promise NiP: Until recent weeks looked quite competitive. They were mostly losing to teams that were invited to TI5. Alliance: Same as Na'Vi except with their very recent roster changes have suddenly looked like contenders Tinker: Only stand a chance of qualifying because they are in NA Newbee: There's a debate about this. They did look like *complete trash* at DAC but there are justifications for inviting them and they may be better than they've been performing. HR: No better chance at qualifying than NiP, let's be real. Burden: ... Still has ~61% winrate after losing 8 of their last 9. Their two most recent losses, their captain was absent. They got knocked out of two tournaments on the same day with their captain missing. Them having a competent captain - which is how MyNuts certainly appeared - is a big part of assessing them as possible up-and-comers -- which is how I assessed them. Not as guys who were going to get invited to TI some shit. Oh look, they were invited to qualifiers, like every other team on that list except the TI4 champions. Holy shit. Here's my list, again: Na'Vi NiP Alliance Tinker Newbee HR Burden United Here's Valve's list for EU: Vega Burden PR NiP Alliance London Conspiracy HR 4ASC It's easy in retrospect to go oh, well they went on a total nosedive and are losing to teams they once would have won against, and are getting crushed by teams they would have been competitive with, so your analysis was FACTUALLY INCORRECT. But that's not how forecasting analysis works. You can make good analysis that still turns out to be wrong. Based on watching Burden's games they definitely looked like they had potential. Something has clearly gone wrong and denying that is just silly. Even if their potential was less than I thought it was (which is literally impossible to prove), they are far, far worse than they were. They basically look like Tinker during their worst times. | ||
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
The qualifiers are 3 weeks away and a lot can happen in that time. For example, 3 weeks ago Burden have only dropped like 1 or 2 Bo3s since forming and now they have lost 5 in a row. 3 weeks ago Navi beat Tinker, Hellraisers, VP, and Empire, now they've lost 3 Bo3s in a row this week. Anything can happen during these EU qualifiers. Whichever team practices the most, drafts and executes the best on that day, will advance. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 09 2015 05:56 Murkinlol wrote: Debating "tiers" between these uninvited teams is just ridiculous. Sure you'd pick Alliance over LC for example but it wouldn't be a surprise if LC would take 3-4 Bo3s out of 10 off Alliance. There isn't enough of a gap between the best teams of these 9 and the worst teams of these 9 to warrant some tier list. The qualifiers are 3 weeks away and a lot can happen in that time. For example, 3 weeks ago Burden have only dropped like 1 or 2 Bo3s since forming and now they have lost 5 in a row. 3 weeks ago Navi beat Tinker, Hellraisers, VP, and Empire, now they've lost 3 Bo3s in a row this week. Anything can happen during these EU qualifiers. Whichever team practices the most, drafts and executes the best on that day, will advance. Right. And what it won't do is settle the question of who is the best team in the group. It will only decide who is going to TI. | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On May 09 2015 05:56 Murkinlol wrote: For example, 3 weeks ago Burden have only dropped like 1 or 2 Bo3s since forming and now they have lost 5 in a row. 3 weeks ago Navi beat Tinker, Hellraisers, VP, and Empire, now they've lost 3 Bo3s in a row this week. Before 3 weeks ago, 1-2 polar 1-2 m5 0-2 Vega 0-2 BBC Please don't just make things up. They tied 3 bo3s(pr, hr, alliance), and won 11(f3, yellowsub, goomba, col, crucial, bbc, navi, bbc, vega, empire, nip). Playing mostly against bad teams will inflate your winrate. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
Only HR was a team that stayed together and got better and better each month (ask Envy he said so himself), but all other teams form and see if they win some to maybe earn a sponsorship, else disbanderino. Dota2 doesnt seem a teamesport at all. | ||
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
On May 09 2015 07:06 Tephus wrote: Before 3 weeks ago, 1-2 polar 1-2 m5 0-2 Vega 0-2 BBC Please don't just make things up. They tied 3 bo3s(pr, hr, alliance), and won 11(f3, yellowsub, goomba, col, crucial, bbc, navi, bbc, vega, empire, nip). Playing mostly against bad teams will inflate your winrate. Ok, I didn't bother to go through their entire match history like you have, excuse me. My point still stands, 3 weeks is a long time and teams can change form quickly. Their winrate was high because they were playing well and they were beating navi, empire, nip so it's not that hard for people to put them on par with those teams. It wouldn't be a surprise if they hit that form again during these qualifiers because we have seen it before. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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goody153
44088 Posts
fwosh on the burden united bootcamp | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On May 09 2015 23:15 goody153 wrote: https://instagram.com/p/2dstMpmBKo/ fwosh on the burden united bootcamp I think that was Burden during their match against Empire, actually | ||
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
On May 09 2015 23:17 Elyvilon wrote: I think that was Burden during their match against Empire, actually It is indeed | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
after this game 1 between empire vs vici i'm not even mad about the loss today. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On May 09 2015 20:26 Furikawari wrote: The haters should watch the on going game... Watch them lose? Was it entertaining or something? | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On May 10 2015 03:21 Tephus wrote: Watch them lose? Was it entertaining or something? Stubborness has limits... | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
While I don't expect them to beat VG I think it's going to be interesting to see how they play against them. Might be good a good experience for the team. | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
but it's good to see them beating NIP, give me confidence for the EU Qual. And Sing is back to mid, awesome :D | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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Zea!
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Hoenicker
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Sa6peto
Bulgaria162 Posts
Impressive :D Now srsly that game 1 was great ... if they can just secure their early game abit more. Cus srsly lately its just screwing up the early game , and playing a catch up game . | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 13 2015 14:38 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: They look like the first iteration of Tinker/Mouz. Except that there's a lack of players imploding on each other except for CWM, but CWM and sing were on Mouz with eachother for a long ass time so that makes for a chance of BU not imploding on itself, if we see sing as negating cwm's "toxic" factor. But yeah, first iteration of tinker was actually good, that team only started sucking after D2CL finals loss to navi :p | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On May 13 2015 14:38 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: They look like the first iteration of Tinker/Mouz. I dont agree, first iteration of Tinker had 0 support, BU has 2 true supports. And talking about toxicity, Tinker had to deal with Pajkatt ego. | ||
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Hoenicker
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cuckoo
595 Posts
oh well. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
Harpy needs a Nerf tbh. | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
The pattern is so clear | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:52 cuckoo wrote: Then they put him at 1 position again and they lost, rofl The pattern is so clear What pattern is that, exactly? | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
Its when sinsing plays carry, cuckoo makes a post in the burden united thread, saying how bad he is at carrying. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 22 2015 22:49 Hoenicker wrote: Its when sinsing plays carry, cuckoo makes a post in the burden united thread, saying how bad he is at carrying. Ah that's an interesting pattern. Well Sing has been position one almost every game for this team since its inception so has he automated this process yet? | ||
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govie
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cuckoo
595 Posts
I dont think Sing is bad at carrying, I think Neqro cant play mid against a high level competition. Probably due to experience, which Sing has a lot more by now. Closing to the Qualifiers they should change it asap, but thats like, my opinion | ||
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
Game 1: Was pretty solid, it got rocky towards the end but they kicked it into high gear. Game 2: Burden had a decent control on them at about 24 mintues, and that was when they needed to start looking for Smoke Rotations in which you'd use every ult on their Tiny/Wisp. It was really just not trying for an aggressive play that hurt them. But also, MyNuts seemed on tilt though, but everyone can get salty every once and a while. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
On May 24 2015 06:55 synapse wrote: I actually think mynuts played that last game quite well. He was basically going "space created" and keeping the tiny away from their towers, which was necessary given that they weren't able to teamfight into the tiny/wisp. Gyro and bristle were just too underfarmed to stop the tiny/wisp aegis push. Yeah, defiantly not saying he was bad, just felt he was tilt. Which could've affected his calls a tad (No Smokes, but i dont know know who is in charge of that) | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
So it's even *shrug* | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
if we the gods win last game 2-0 theyre through? | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On May 30 2015 23:12 LemOn wrote: so if we the gods win last game 2-0 theyre through? Unless Alliance also win 2-0. It comes down to the results of both Alliance' and Burden's games. Finnstack quite strong though so I don't see them taking 2-0, but 1-1 doable, then hope Alliance drops at least 1 game against PR. Anybody how it's decided if there's a tie for second place? | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On May 30 2015 23:16 Matthias_ wrote: Unless Alliance also win 2-0. It comes down to the results of both Alliance' and Burden's games. Finnstack quite strong though so I don't see them taking 2-0, but 1-1 doable, then hope Alliance drops at least 1 game against PR. Anybody how it's decided if there's a tie for second place? probably a playoff between the tied teams? Unfortunate the way they lost game 1 vs PR, i tyhink they shouldve laned differently, wouldve stood a better chance. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
outdrafted once again | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 31 2015 02:47 gulati wrote: are they mathematically eliminated now? or still a chance? Chance if they win, but narrow. Eliminated if they lose. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
thats heartbreaking they're crumbling so hard | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I thought they'd win TI5 Hope Sing gets invited as co caster at least | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
they'll probably disband. but hope these players find better teams for next year, they're all talented | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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goody153
44088 Posts
good try burden oh well | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 31 2015 05:24 Terrorbladder wrote: I've been unironically cheering for Sing to get knocked out in this qualifier so he can go back to streaming and entertain everyone the way only he knows. He's been streaming. Sing is a great entertainer but in his heart he's a competitor. He'll go back to streaming for a while but only long enough for someone with a brain and a wallet to pick him up. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
I do want to see this team continue I think if they stick together for a bit they might improve a bit. Guess we'll find out if they were for real or just another ti-stack. | ||
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govie
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Murkinlol
United States366 Posts
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
On May 31 2015 06:59 govie wrote: They had alot of nice games, just not stable enough. The flaws they had at the beginning never really got solved. I dont want to blame or flame players but I like sing+cwm the most and i hope they atleast stick together. I think adding some new flavour could atleast serve sing well, they had some wonky drafts now and then so they should addres that somehow. I remember when jerax came over from 4asc to oldtinker (AB+singsing+bulba+jerax+qqva) and they immediately played alot better. Maybe jerax is a ppd kinda dotaplayer as mvphot6 is doing quite well in the qualifiers atm (he also is hontrash iirc). So i hope jerax and sing try again after ti, but together. Because singsing as a pos1 is just as good as loda pos1 or most others and he can still get better along the way. Yeah I can't agree more. I think they swap their drafter a lot at the moment and it's just not really working out. I do remember the main issue with TT being the lack of a good support duo, Jerax fixed that and brought some good drafts with it, it was Sing who didn't fit there. I do think it's hard to say where the issues stem from, I'm not entirely sure a roster change would make everything better. I think most of the players on the team are quite good in terms of skill it's just team direction that seems to be the issue. Sometimes they make really good plays sometimes they're awful. | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 31 2015 16:11 trollcenter wrote: Can't wait to hear Sing say penis on stream tho, he's a comedy genius! By contrast, this post was incredibly clever | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
Catering to his hilarious stream fans | ||
Crimson
United States311 Posts
At least your name is fitting. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On June 01 2015 08:19 TomatoBisque wrote: tbh I've always felt Bulldog's stream was the one where you went to listen to people talking about penises Let's not start getting all "specific" about what people's stream content is actually like. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
edit: the standin seems to be Ar1se | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
On June 03 2015 23:48 Faruko wrote: So ar1se might go from BU to BU ? highly doubt it, he plays with sing a lot so I'm guessing sing asked him to stand in for him. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
But missing TI typically doesn't bode well for these teams that are put together to attend TI. | ||
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Matthias_
Netherlands89 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On June 28 2015 22:16 Hoenicker wrote: Singsong should try to get in a CIS team, i think, their play styles match. there might be communication issues though | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
Demon played fine for Polar as a standin for that tournament and I think he speaks 0 russian. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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