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On October 12 2016 23:15 Asjo wrote:
If still mystifies me how a gaming organization could ever be a good way to lauder money
probably existing/increasing ties with gambling, betting etc
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On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know.
It's their words against the teams when they have no contracts laying out everything like 10% cuts.
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On October 13 2016 01:20 Asjo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 01:09 Baarn wrote:On October 13 2016 01:05 Asjo wrote:On October 13 2016 01:01 Baarn wrote:On October 12 2016 23:15 Asjo wrote:What sounds like an even more accurate account of the likely reason for postponement of payment as surface: See Reddit post. If we assume (as this person claims to have researched) that Kemal does indeed have money already and is from a rich family behind a criminal operation based in Turkey, it seems sensible that money in laundered in this way. That explains the delays and the blacklisted bank account mentioned in EternalEnvy's statement. Assuming that Kemal does indeed have plenty of money, my explanation of him leeching money and covering for it with future winnings seems less likely. You could argue that they should be able to fully pay out the players if the above explanation is true, but I think they need to make the numbers for the money laundering operation seem plausible, which is probably why the cannot go with a straight forward distribution of prize money. If still mystifies me how a gaming organization could ever be a good way to lauder money. I mean, given the limited sources of believable income you can list, I assume that the amount of money you can launder this way is fairly limited. And with the huge attention at a team like Team Secret, scrutiny is likely if you don't carry out your operation without causing a stir. Then again, the son has to get into his father's business in some way. Maybe this is a stepping stone of a kind, one that helps provide a plausible background for future dealings. Pulling wrecked ships from channel waters in Iraq is a crime now? According to what or who? Your comment provides no context that would allow me to make a proper reply. Please elaborate. I can only assume that you say that the Turkish enterprise owned by Kemal's father was involved in such action and therefore surely can have no association with the Turkish mafia (despite looking dodgy as fuck). Or it was a joking reference that I didn't see  Kamal's fathers business is pulling wrecked ships from channel waters in Iraq.Here you are calling people criminals with nothing but conspiracy theories to support it. I'm not the source for calling him criminal. The people on the comments behind the link I provided are saying that his enterprise is likely a criminal one. See further details yourself ( this comment, for instance). Of course, if there enough evidence has surfaced, he'd be convinced. We're simply trying to use these details to make sense of the current situation this community faces. I cannot say anything conclusively. To me, it just sounds like a very likely explanation. I'd dare say that most people who are rich in less established countries have been involved with criminal enterprise in one way or another, simply because if they weren't, the ones who are would have gotten rid of them already.
Kemal could use the money the team wins to eat lobster and drink whiskey 3 times a day for the past 2 years? He could use the money to buy houses, boats, or jewelry for his wife? The list goes on. It's clear he spent money for that team house. It's clear he sent them all over the planet, bought dinners and they had a lavish lifestyle. They paid a porn star. Probably paid for a bunch more shit EE didn't mention or forgot about.
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On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know.
Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again?
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On October 13 2016 08:18 common_cider wrote:
With the testimony of EE, Evany, Fly, Notail, Kuro, w33,
Pupey and Kemal should be suspended from Valve events until they pay all their victims the money they are owed.
finally, a conclusive comment !
I agree with this approach
a team marred with drama like this should be brought to justice
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This is why the scene is hella immature. We aspire to be recognised as comparable to real sports, yet the dota model has so many issues.
1. Non valve tournaments are not self sustainable. You need sponsors to pump money to the tournament. Revenue source is insufficient because valve takes a huge cut in ticket sales, and ads/lan tickets are insignificant compared to the massive prize pools.
2. Teams/tournaments hiring friends/nerds/gamers to do jobs that a specialist should be doing. Accounts, IT etc.
3. There's no strong entity that can force teams/players to comply to contracts, and in turn make contracts something more than pieces of paper. Valve obviously can do it, but they have been quiet
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yeah whether people like it or not esports needs an organisation that acts as a governing body for the game. as much as people hated kespa, without kespa korean esports wouldnt even exist and dota needs something similar.
like duck said, you cant just have nerds bring in their friends and make friendship bracelets to form a team and play seriously. the whole industry generates money and is therefore business. everything inside should be run as a business is also.
this is also why to this day i think the dumbest business decision valve has ever made and will ever make when it comes to dota is failing to enter the korean market. the infrastructure already in place as well as a governing body would have allowed dota to grow in a much more stable environment and more importantly steps could have been taken to protect players and teams far better, at the tradeoff of korea being the centre of dota just like sc and lol.
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On October 13 2016 17:47 DucK- wrote:
This is why the scene is hella immature. We aspire to be recognised as comparable to real sports, yet the dota model has so many issues.
Look at the bright side : we now have pornstars and shady owners, a step closer. Let's not forget match fixing. We could also compare hacks to doping. Let's be honest, real sports have a way more toxic environment, I don't want esports to emulate this model. And concerning revenues, there are lots of sportsmen backed by governments or billionaires having fun otherwise they would not be anywhere close to get that kind of revenue.
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On October 13 2016 18:58 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah whether people like it or not esports needs an organisation that acts as a governing body for the game. as much as people hated kespa, without kespa korean esports wouldnt even exist and dota needs something similar.
like duck said, you cant just have nerds bring in their friends and make friendship bracelets to form a team and play seriously. the whole industry generates money and is therefore business. everything inside should be run as a business is also.
this is also why to this day i think the dumbest business decision valve has ever made and will ever make when it comes to dota is failing to enter the korean market. the infrastructure already in place as well as a governing body would have allowed dota to grow in a much more stable environment and more importantly steps could have been taken to protect players and teams far better, at the tradeoff of korea being the centre of dota just like sc and lol.
Kinda sad but true, no matter how scummy kespa was they were the reasons SC were big. I guess Riot was smart enough to cooperate with them and made LoL as the king of the game in Korea.
Despite many praises to Valve, i don't see them ever market their product. They rely heavily on " our product speak for itself".The only thing that made Dota2 big was because it was already big thanks to Icefrog and loyal fans of dota1. That's why the dota2 never really took off in US because there's barely any advertising besides the big International competition.
I wonder if Valve gonna try again to capture Korean market with different strategy like they did with counter strike online.
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On October 13 2016 19:00 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 17:47 DucK- wrote:
This is why the scene is hella immature. We aspire to be recognised as comparable to real sports, yet the dota model has so many issues.
Look at the bright side : we now have pornstars and shady owners, a step closer. Let's not forget match fixing. We could also compare hacks to doping. Let's be honest, real sports have a way more toxic environment, I don't want esports to emulate this model. And concerning revenues, there are lots of sportsmen backed by governments or billionaires having fun otherwise they would not be anywhere close to get that kind of revenue.
Yea lots of sports don't bring in revenue, that's why their prize pool is small. Here we have very insane prize pools relative to the revenues. And most of the money in the scene flows to the players, not to the people supporting in the background. It is not healthy that only players make money, while the rest are doing so out of passion. The tournament organisers/casters/production etc all need to be adequately remunerated first, then you can dispense the rest of the money however much it is to the players. Right now it works the other way: players promised huge money first, and what's left is thinly spread to the non players.
Tickets was a great idea by valve to help tournament organisers earn revenue and support a high prize pool., except valve eats way too much of it. Only valve tournaments can more than sustain themselves. Doesn't help that tournaments are free to watch on twitch.
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I take vacations for a month and this happens.... I love Secret, they keep delivering.
Well done Poopey.
I hope interviewers bring this up every interview so we can see him grabbing the listening device then proceed to smash it against the closest displaying device.
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On October 13 2016 13:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again? We can't, no. Pie is desperate to continue his esports career and Secret is literally his only ticket.
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On October 13 2016 19:00 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 17:47 DucK- wrote:
This is why the scene is hella immature. We aspire to be recognised as comparable to real sports, yet the dota model has so many issues.
Look at the bright side : we now have pornstars and shady owners, a step closer. Let's not forget match fixing. We could also compare hacks to doping. Let's be honest, real sports have a way more toxic environment, I don't want esports to emulate this model. And concerning revenues, there are lots of sportsmen backed by governments or billionaires having fun otherwise they would not be anywhere close to get that kind of revenue.
The nice thing is that esports have both hacking AND doping.
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On October 13 2016 22:04 wims80 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 13:34 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again? We can't, no. Pie is desperate to continue his esports career and Secret is literally his only ticket.
So Pie's experience is irrelevant and everyone else's experience is evidence. Weird justice system you have working in your head.
@Duck-
I really like your posts.
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On October 14 2016 00:32 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 22:04 wims80 wrote:On October 13 2016 13:34 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again? We can't, no. Pie is desperate to continue his esports career and Secret is literally his only ticket. So Pie's experience is irrelevant and everyone else's experience is evidence. Weird justice system you have working in your head. @Duck- I really like your posts.
So basically you're saying, Fly, n0tail, EE, Misery and w33's experiences are irrelevant, and only Pie's experience is relevant?
That's some next level mental gymnastics.
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On October 14 2016 00:52 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 00:32 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 22:04 wims80 wrote:On October 13 2016 13:34 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again? We can't, no. Pie is desperate to continue his esports career and Secret is literally his only ticket. So Pie's experience is irrelevant and everyone else's experience is evidence. Weird justice system you have working in your head. @Duck- I really like your posts. So basically you're saying, Fly, n0tail, EE, Misery and w33's experiences are irrelevant, and only Pie's experience is relevant? That's some next level mental gymnastics.
At this point anyone who still has a secret flair is doing some serious mental gymnastics.
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Finally took the time to read it, jesus fucking christ, could have been shorter.
If even half of that puppey shit is true, damn puppey. Some of it can be chalked up to leadership style, some is down right disturbing and I dont even mean about the missing money. Thats just greed, plain and simple.
Such a favorite of mine, oh well, was contemplating whether I should have OG/DC/Secret flair. Guess the decision has been made a bit simpler for me..
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On October 14 2016 04:52 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 00:52 Piledriver wrote:On October 14 2016 00:32 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 22:04 wims80 wrote:On October 13 2016 13:34 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. Isn't Pie still on the team? - If he doesn't leave, can we consider that this is just ex-teammates raging because they ate their cake and now they want to have it again? We can't, no. Pie is desperate to continue his esports career and Secret is literally his only ticket. So Pie's experience is irrelevant and everyone else's experience is evidence. Weird justice system you have working in your head. @Duck- I really like your posts. So basically you're saying, Fly, n0tail, EE, Misery and w33's experiences are irrelevant, and only Pie's experience is relevant? That's some next level mental gymnastics. At this point anyone who still has a secret flair is doing some serious mental gymnastics.
I actually changed the icon from Navi to secret after this was released.
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Wow, Puppey and Kemal are awful people.
And once again, it seems like they're being quiet. If there is no punishment for them, that's awful. Kind of sucks, since so much of player income comes from prize winnings, so it doesn't really matter how unpopular Secret is, they can still make a lot of money.
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On October 13 2016 13:09 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2016 11:35 Lancehead wrote:On October 13 2016 11:14 Eywa- wrote:On October 13 2016 10:26 mutantmagnet wrote:On October 13 2016 06:55 Eywa- wrote:
Is there actually speculation of criminal activity based on a pro gamer's blog?
After a second read through, I get the feeling from that EE lacks maturity and concrete content (despite the blog being insanely long).
Observations:
*proceeds to say nonsense*
This is what happened after Envy and Misery blogs came out. https://twitter.com/w33haa/status/785227455422427136You clearly don't care about direct experiences of those who are directly affected. You're not God. You have no overwhelming insight into the human condition let alone the individual behaviors of the people you try to defend and critique. Stop exposing yourself. I don't have any insight into the experiences, but nor do any of the people beating on secret. The fact remains that if there were legal wrongdoing, why wouldn't the players be taking action? They clearly can all afford lawyers. And no, I don't care much for the direct experience of the players as it is their careers, you know what... Work isn't always a walk in the park and sometimes it sucks for years. Deal with it. I'm just debating whether there is financial wrongdoing and it's not clear from the blog that there is OTHER than the delayed payments. There is no supporting evidence for the 10% and the panda contract NOT being discussed. I'm also not trying to tell you what happened, I'm trying to point out that it's pretty ridiculous to use EE's blog as evidence for the 10% cut or the panda contract. @Spudde123 I like your post a lot. What do you mean there is no supporting evidence for the 10% not being discussed? Literally NONE of the other players knew about it. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that. Envy didn't know. Misery didn't know. w33 didn't know (Envy said it was w33 who clued him in that there was a lot of money missing). Pie didn't know (Envy texted him. It's there in the blog. If the texts were fabricated you'd think Pie would have said something by now). That's EVERY ex-member of the old team. How do you hold a conversation about cutting your teammates' pay by 10% without anyone noticing? It's not a discussion if you whisper it under your breath, you know. It's their words against the teams when they have no contracts laying out everything like 10% cuts.
Just so we're clear here, you think it's as likely that about ten people are lying about this to cause trouble as it is that two people are lying about it to cover their misdeeds?
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