EPTNow lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. I would stay away from this kind of person. Don't you hate the people from your high school that snitches when you did something wrong? EE thought he is doing the right thing. If a person has any appreciation left in his humanity, he wouldn't point a gun at his ex-captain, which they fought together for the entire year (3/4 of EE's title is with puppey), it is even worse when he mix up team TS with puppey (which has problems but EE tired to blame him for much worse). Now a snitch ends up with a team of rejects, while TS is not as strong as the post ti-5 TS, still a tier 1 team and will bring good dota.
[Updated] EE and Misery blog about Team Secret - Page 20
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HolyPepsi
Canada210 Posts
Now lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. I would stay away from this kind of person. Don't you hate the people from your high school that snitches when you did something wrong? EE thought he is doing the right thing. If a person has any appreciation left in his humanity, he wouldn't point a gun at his ex-captain, which they fought together for the entire year (3/4 of EE's title is with puppey), it is even worse when he mix up team TS with puppey (which has problems but EE tired to blame him for much worse). Now a snitch ends up with a team of rejects, while TS is not as strong as the post ti-5 TS, still a tier 1 team and will bring good dota. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On October 20 2016 04:15 HolyPepsi wrote: I have made my read of the facts clear - TS has problems, pretty bad but far away from worst (that would be not paying at all), player and organization take equal responsibility for not having a contract (TS can take 100% of tournament winning if they want without contract) Now lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. I would stay away from this kind of person. Don't you hate the people from your high school that snitches when you did something wrong? EE thought he is doing the right thing. If a person has any appreciation left in his humanity, he wouldn't point a gun at his ex-captain, which they fought together for the entire year (3/4 of EE's title is with puppey), it is even worse when he mix up team TS with puppey (which has problems but EE tired to blame him for much worse). Now a snitch ends up with a team of rejects, while TS is not as strong as the post ti-5 TS, still a tier 1 team and will bring good dota. Ts will fail cause puppey is bad and doesnt practice even if the rest of their players are very good ppy will always bring them down as he did with all secret iterations with his sloppy plays and drafts | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On October 20 2016 09:07 Alpino wrote: Ts will fail cause puppey is bad and doesnt practice even if the rest of their players are very good ppy will always bring them down as he did with all secret iterations with his sloppy plays and drafts Puppey will always bring his team down as he did being the only player to reach 5 grand finals of million+ dollar tournaments and winning 2? No toxic player can achieve that. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On October 20 2016 04:15 HolyPepsi wrote: I have made my read of the facts clear - TS has problems, pretty bad but far away from worst (that would be not paying at all), player and organization take equal responsibility for not having a contract (TS can take 100% of tournament winning if they want without contract) Now lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. I would stay away from this kind of person. Don't you hate the people from your high school that snitches when you did something wrong? EE thought he is doing the right thing. If a person has any appreciation left in his humanity, he wouldn't point a gun at his ex-captain, which they fought together for the entire year (3/4 of EE's title is with puppey), it is even worse when he mix up team TS with puppey (which has problems but EE tired to blame him for much worse). Now a snitch ends up with a team of rejects, while TS is not as strong as the post ti-5 TS, still a tier 1 team and will bring good dota. You're clearly a Team Secret attack dog. Keep barking, "pupp(e)y". Oh, and great job with the name-calling. | ||
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On October 20 2016 04:15 HolyPepsi wrote: I have made my read of the facts clear - TS has problems, pretty bad but far away from worst (that would be not paying at all), player and organization take equal responsibility for not having a contract (TS can take 100% of tournament winning if they want without contract) Now lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. I would stay away from this kind of person. Don't you hate the people from your high school that snitches when you did something wrong? EE thought he is doing the right thing. If a person has any appreciation left in his humanity, he wouldn't point a gun at his ex-captain, which they fought together for the entire year (3/4 of EE's title is with puppey), it is even worse when he mix up team TS with puppey (which has problems but EE tired to blame him for much worse). Now a snitch ends up with a team of rejects, while TS is not as strong as the post ti-5 TS, still a tier 1 team and will bring good dota. So EE called puppey out for 1 lying to the players 2 not paying the people he assosiated with or delaying paying them 3 being toxic and yet he is the bad guy?are you really saying that it doesnt matter what he did because he was the captain?also you are saying that sinse secret is a better team than np nothing that puppey did was wrong.i wonder :if he killed someone but won 2 tis after would you still find him inosent..... | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On October 20 2016 10:49 Eywa- wrote: Puppey will always bring his team down as he did being the only player to reach 5 grand finals of million+ dollar tournaments and winning 2? No toxic player can achieve that. Not true, you see toxic players win games all the time regardless of the sports (odell beckham?) | ||
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HolyPepsi
Canada210 Posts
On October 20 2016 21:13 zolasell wrote: So EE called puppey out for 1 lying to the players 2 not paying the people he assosiated with or delaying paying them 3 being toxic and yet he is the bad guy?are you really saying that it doesnt matter what he did because he was the captain?also you are saying that sinse secret is a better team than np nothing that puppey did was wrong.i wonder :if he killed someone but won 2 tis after would you still find him inosent..... Read my previous analysis of the facts. EE mix up facts with emotions. Puppey takes partial responsibility for some of the stuff EE claimed, not everything. EE (or we) does not even know the responsility of each individual of TS, whos in charge of the money, is matt a stake holder, did theeban gets a split of tournament cut etc. But simply blame puppey for everything he "felt" bad or unfairly treated. - naive and confused showing 0 appreciation given 0 credit of his ex captain where he has most success with, and point a gun on him - bad guy and a snitch. a murder takes serious legal consequence in every country, EE's claim has nothing to do with law (he did not even sign a contract, TS can take 100% tournament cut, and it could be all kemal ), but talking about his own moral standard, twisting facts and blame puppey for everything. People may have a fight in school, which breaks the school rule, a snitch would tell his teacher like EE did. On October 20 2016 14:13 plogamer wrote: You're clearly a Team Secret attack dog. Keep barking, "pupp(e)y". Oh, and great job with the name-calling. Calling me a "dog" in a fair discussion only proves my point: many people's inability see facts through twisted story. This is what EE did to puppey, and people like you would buy into it. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On October 21 2016 00:34 HolyPepsi wrote: Read my previous analysis of the facts. EE mix up facts with emotions. Puppey takes partial responsibility for some of the stuff EE claimed, not everything. EE (or we) does not even know the responsility of each individual of TS, whos in charge of the money, is matt a stake holder, did theeban gets a split of tournament cut etc. But simply blame puppey for everything he "felt" bad or unfairly treated. - naive and confused showing 0 appreciation given 0 credit of his ex captain where he has most success with, and point a gun on him - bad guy and a snitch. a murder takes serious legal consequence in every country, EE's claim has nothing to do with law (he did not even sign a contract, TS can take 100% tournament cut, and it could be all kemal ), but talking about his own moral standard, twisting facts and blame puppey for everything. People may have a fight in school, which breaks the school rule, a snitch would tell his teacher like EE did. Calling me a "dog" in a fair discussion only proves my point: many people's inability see facts through twisted story. This is what EE did to puppey, and people like you would buy into it. I do agree with you that EE probably overeacted in a lot of those claims (w33 said so) but overeacting and lying are diferent things.Also puppey/TS refused to give their side of the story and even their small empty post had contradictions.I too was a huge puppey fan and i really wanted to support him but there are simply too many claims to ignore. also when i said murder i referenced the unethical side (as in doing it and not getting conviced like how secret didnt pay their players but there are not enough evidence to support that claim in a caurt of law) | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8844 Posts
On October 21 2016 00:34 HolyPepsi wrote: Read my previous analysis of the facts. EE mix up facts with emotions. Puppey takes partial responsibility for some of the stuff EE claimed, not everything. EE (or we) does not even know the responsility of each individual of TS, whos in charge of the money, is matt a stake holder, did theeban gets a split of tournament cut etc. But simply blame puppey for everything he "felt" bad or unfairly treated. - naive and confused showing 0 appreciation given 0 credit of his ex captain where he has most success with, and point a gun on him - bad guy and a snitch. a murder takes serious legal consequence in every country, EE's claim has nothing to do with law (he did not even sign a contract, TS can take 100% tournament cut, and it could be all kemal ), but talking about his own moral standard, twisting facts and blame puppey for everything. People may have a fight in school, which breaks the school rule, a snitch would tell his teacher like EE did. Calling me a "dog" in a fair discussion only proves my point: many people's inability see facts through twisted story. This is what EE did to puppey, and people like you would buy into it. he didnt need to know. thats the whole point of ee's post. the team was formed under the premise that puppey and kamal could be trusted to handle team matters on their own whilst the players focused on dota. ee actually did show interest in how operations were being dealt with but was turned away by both puppey and kamal and told to focus on dota. later on shit goes down and quite obviously some people on the management side of secret fucked up (probably knowingly). envy has every right to be pissed off about how shit went down at secret. puppey was the only player who supposedly knew how the team was being managed and he fucked his teammates over both financially and apparently as a team member too the only thing envy has done wrong is enter into a team without a contract, but you cant fault him for that because its just not 'standard' within the scene. unless the team already has a big name and sponsor, the players are more likely to join/form teams with friends. the scene has not developed enough in this aspect (especially the western scene) for contracts to be standard for players. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On October 20 2016 04:15 HolyPepsi wrote: Now lets talk about emotions: EE is a snitch. Holy shit. Actual holy shit. A person got treated wrongly and had no option to get their wrongs righted, so they went public about it. And you call them a snitch? This isn't your freaking school! This is real life, and real life wrongdoings, malversations etc. should be publicized and punished. | ||
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HolyPepsi
Canada210 Posts
On October 21 2016 09:23 Ufnal wrote: Holy shit. Actual holy shit. A person got treated wrongly and had no option to get their wrongs righted, so they went public about it. And you call them a snitch? This isn't your freaking school! This is real life, and real life wrongdoings, malversations etc. should be publicized and punished. i wrote several pages of fact analysis, yet people reply to my only line of emotional respond LOL no wonder ppl buy into EE's twisted story. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
On October 21 2016 11:31 HolyPepsi wrote: i wrote several pages of fact analysis, yet people reply to my only line of emotional respond LOL no wonder ppl buy into EE's twisted story. You've written several pages of your opinion, then gave a more deliberate statement of it. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8844 Posts
On October 21 2016 09:02 DucK- wrote: Hi. Casual reminder that just because a written contract isn't signed or doesn't exist, doesn't mean there cannot be a contract. There's such things as oral contracts, and it happens in everyday life, such as you buying food from a vendor. it doesnt matter either way because this isnt going to court and even if it did oral contracts arent nearly as enforceable as written ones | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On October 21 2016 11:31 HolyPepsi wrote: i wrote several pages of fact analysis, yet people reply to my only line of emotional respond LOL no wonder ppl buy into EE's twisted story. your fact analysis revolving around saying that because there was no contract, all the shady shit that went on was gucci. just because something is technically legal doesn't mean it's not scumbag behaviour. | ||
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