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On December 12 2011 08:32 EternaLEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 08:27 oxxo wrote:It's hard when you're young, but try to think of this long term. Sure you can go back to school, but that just means you are starting to earn money at a later date (opportunity cost). Time off is essentially costing you your salary as an engineer. In addition, you're delaying your experiences = moving up the ladder later in your life. Which all goes into the fact that starting to save for retirement means you will end up with more money with less money put in (exponential growth). PLUS there's the fact that statistically you are more than likely not going to end up going back to school. As long as you reallllyyy understand what you are sacrificing... good luck.  I don't really care though. I don't need a lot of money to live, I don't really give a shit about having a house or a nice car. Thus, even if I start late in getting money, and my retirement money isn't good, I'm sure I'll still be able to live in a decent apartment.
Of course you don't you're still a kid, I promise you your priorities will change later in life.
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If you think you are really good at this game then it's OK but if you are going to turn out to be just a "decent" pro gamer then I wouldn't suggest you to drop out of college.
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stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games
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I really appreciate all the advice so far it is very helpful!
My ritual right now is either queue with at least one other person. This allows some coordination and generally makes me have a good time. If no one is on, play private bot games with champions who I want to figure out what they do. I actually spent a good 4 hours earlier just figuring out some neat ward locations to give vision and block camps. (N'aix and Prophet will trouble me no more!!)
Here is my priority list:
-Play the game with at least 1 other person
-Watch pro streams/replays and take notes
-Fool around with heroes in bot games to figure out how they work
-Play a pub game and focus on hero mechanics
-Scour the internet for little tips/tricks/advice
I spend about 40 hrs a week doing this (depending on my workload) and it seems like I am improving quickly.
Now that you mention juke spots, I really need to spend time watching juke montages or something =P Juking and proper shift-queuing are the two worst parts about my game at this moment. I am currently focus on understanding proper team comps and laneing matchups. I never thought to just watch replays of picks/bans analysis, that is an awesome idea! As soon as I found out you can modify the recommended items tab, buying became much quicker for me.
Few more questions:
What is a good source of replays? I don't have Dota I just have Dota2 so I will probably need VoDs.
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I have a friend on "leave" from college trying to become a pro League player.
Stay in school, what you're describing is generally known as "screwing up college".
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On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games
I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke.
I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way.
Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice.
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Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
On December 12 2011 13:02 Hoban wrote:
I really appreciate all the advice so far it is very helpful!
My ritual right now is either queue with at least one other person. This allows some coordination and generally makes me have a good time. If no one is on, play private bot games with champions who I want to figure out what they do. I actually spent a good 4 hours earlier just figuring out some neat ward locations to give vision and block camps. (N'aix and Prophet will trouble me no more!!)
Here is my priority list:
-Play the game with at least 1 other person
-Watch pro streams/replays and take notes
-Fool around with heroes in bot games to figure out how they work
-Play a pub game and focus on hero mechanics
-Scour the internet for little tips/tricks/advice
I spend about 40 hrs a week doing this (depending on my workload) and it seems like I am improving quickly.
Now that you mention juke spots, I really need to spend time watching juke montages or something =P Juking and proper shift-queuing are the two worst parts about my game at this moment. I am currently focus on understanding proper team comps and laneing matchups. I never thought to just watch replays of picks/bans analysis, that is an awesome idea! As soon as I found out you can modify the recommended items tab, buying became much quicker for me.
Few more questions:
What is a good source of replays? I don't have Dota I just have Dota2 so I will probably need VoDs.
I recommend watching WoDota Top 10 Weekly on youtube for some epic juking/kills and etc. also for vods, check LuminouStudios on youtube or http://www.dotacommentaries.com/ they have some really great commentaries over there. Also, try not to use 'Champions' 
To OP: I wish you the very best, hope you achieve something!
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On December 12 2011 13:02 Hoban wrote:
I really appreciate all the advice so far it is very helpful!
My ritual right now is either queue with at least one other person. This allows some coordination and generally makes me have a good time. If no one is on, play private bot games with champions who I want to figure out what they do. I actually spent a good 4 hours earlier just figuring out some neat ward locations to give vision and block camps. (N'aix and Prophet will trouble me no more!!)
Here is my priority list:
-Play the game with at least 1 other person
-Watch pro streams/replays and take notes
-Fool around with heroes in bot games to figure out how they work
-Play a pub game and focus on hero mechanics
-Scour the internet for little tips/tricks/advice
I spend about 40 hrs a week doing this (depending on my workload) and it seems like I am improving quickly.
Now that you mention juke spots, I really need to spend time watching juke montages or something =P Juking and proper shift-queuing are the two worst parts about my game at this moment. I am currently focus on understanding proper team comps and laneing matchups. I never thought to just watch replays of picks/bans analysis, that is an awesome idea! As soon as I found out you can modify the recommended items tab, buying became much quicker for me.
Few more questions:
What is a good source of replays? I don't have Dota I just have Dota2 so I will probably need VoDs.
Keep in mind that my advice will not make you that much better. Roshan timings and shift clicking are things that I believe ANY player can do once they put some time to figure it out and practice it. So why not do it? That's all I'm saying.
You seem to be trying hard to figure out the game yourself, I'm sure you won't be stuck for a while. There has never been a single time where I've ever ran out of ideas to get better :D.
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On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice.
So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it?
People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy!
Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it?
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On December 12 2011 14:11 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice. So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it? People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy! Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it?
I'm pretty sure OP meant it as self-deprecating humour, which is completely different from trolling. Also, people ridiculing themselves all the time and quite seriously—where do you see that other than in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? I doubt people ridicule themselves seriously on Teamliquid unless they have serious self-confidence problems and reading the rest of OP's post, he comes off quite arrogant, which tends to be the opposite of lacking self-confidence.
Regarding judging someone is right or wrong, maybe what OP was looking for was an argument based on logic that judged whether his decision to leave school to pursue progaming was right or wrong. Instead, what he got from blabber was the standard mainstream view: shut-in kid + video games = bad; social life + frat party every weekend = good
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On December 12 2011 14:22 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:11 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice. So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it? People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy! Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it? I'm pretty sure OP meant it as self-deprecating humour, which is completely different from trolling. Also, people ridiculing themselves all the time and quite seriously—where do you see that other than in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? I doubt people seriously ridicule themselves on Teamliquid.net unless they have serious self-confidence problems and reading the rest of OP's post, he comes off quite arrogant, which tends to be the opposite of lacking self-confidence.
You really think arrogance is the opposite of low self-confidence?
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Canada2068 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:24 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:22 CountChocula wrote:On December 12 2011 14:11 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice. So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it? People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy! Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it? I'm pretty sure OP meant it as self-deprecating humour, which is completely different from trolling. Also, people ridiculing themselves all the time and quite seriously—where do you see that other than in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? I doubt people seriously ridicule themselves on Teamliquid.net unless they have serious self-confidence problems and reading the rest of OP's post, he comes off quite arrogant, which tends to be the opposite of lacking self-confidence. You really think arrogance is the opposite of low self-confidence?
Yes, arrogance can be defined as an excess of self-confidence, which is the opposite of lacking self-confidence. Note that I didn't say everyone who doesn't have low self-confidence is arrogant. I said arrogant people tend to not lack self-confidence.
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I think if you really decide to dedicate your life to this, you need to think of a serious back up plan. There have been quite a lot of these kinds of threads on TL, not one of them followed through or became pro. Like it or not, your mindset will most definitely change with time.
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On December 12 2011 14:30 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:24 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 14:22 CountChocula wrote:On December 12 2011 14:11 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice. So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it? People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy! Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it? I'm pretty sure OP meant it as self-deprecating humour, which is completely different from trolling. Also, people ridiculing themselves all the time and quite seriously—where do you see that other than in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? I doubt people seriously ridicule themselves on Teamliquid.net unless they have serious self-confidence problems and reading the rest of OP's post, he comes off quite arrogant, which tends to be the opposite of lacking self-confidence. You really think arrogance is the opposite of low self-confidence? Yes, arrogance can be defined as an excess of self-confidence, which is the opposite of lacking self-confidence. Note that I didn't say everyone who doesn't have low self-confidence is arrogant. I said arrogant people tend to not lack self-confidence.
Putting myself aside. People are usually arrogant in order to hide away their own doubts. A lot of people who have strong character integrity do not come off arrogant.
Also, I find it rather amusing that the my post makes me come off arrogant. I merely listed some achievements and complained about my program and Canada. The things I've listed are facts, and nothing more. I've yet to explicitly mention anything about me being intelligent or talented at gaming.
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On December 12 2011 14:43 BalancedBreakfast wrote:
I think if you really decide to dedicate your life to this, you need to think of a serious back up plan. There have been quite a lot of these kinds of threads on TL, not one of them followed through or became pro. Like it or not, your mindset will most definitely change with time.
The back up plan has already been stated multiple times. And it's quite a solid one.
I think the only reason as to why people are considering my move self-destructive is because I'm pursuing something that is not acceptable within the social norm. I don't see any way of me dying from poverty just because I'm missing school for a year. How about the people who end up staying back a year, is their future already over?
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Canada2068 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:44 EternaLEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:30 CountChocula wrote:On December 12 2011 14:24 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 14:22 CountChocula wrote:On December 12 2011 14:11 Synwave wrote:On December 12 2011 13:43 EternaLEnVy wrote:On December 12 2011 12:58 blabber wrote:
stop being a shut in kid and get a social life. a social life will be worth way more than any money you'll make playing video games I think people took me too seriously. Why would anyone ridicule themselves like that unless it was meant to be some sort of joke. I'm only responding to this because there have been quite a lot of people taking this the wrong way. Though who am I kidding, the moment you judge someone from your own standards, based on what you want if I was yourself, is when you lose all credibility to give advice. So someone took a literal psych problem that you said you had and responded to it honestly. Im sorry at what point is that you trolling and them not realizing it? People ridicule themselves all the time, quite seriously. Mainly to get past their problems and reach out to others. A lot of people took it that way and your now saying you were just joking. Real classy! Btw whether judging someone is right or wrong aside; how else should one judge another if but by their own standards? That is sort of the whole point of judging isnt it? I'm pretty sure OP meant it as self-deprecating humour, which is completely different from trolling. Also, people ridiculing themselves all the time and quite seriously—where do you see that other than in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? I doubt people seriously ridicule themselves on Teamliquid.net unless they have serious self-confidence problems and reading the rest of OP's post, he comes off quite arrogant, which tends to be the opposite of lacking self-confidence. You really think arrogance is the opposite of low self-confidence? Yes, arrogance can be defined as an excess of self-confidence, which is the opposite of lacking self-confidence. Note that I didn't say everyone who doesn't have low self-confidence is arrogant. I said arrogant people tend to not lack self-confidence. Putting myself aside. People are usually arrogant in order to hide away their own doubts. A lot of people who have strong character integrity do not come off arrogant.
I agree with your 3rd sentence, but I don't agree with your 2nd.
When I think about arrogance IRL, it's usually one person over-estimating their abilities e.g. the person in your engineering group who thinks they're all that, but who everyone else in the group sees doesn't know jack. IMO, they're not actively trying to hide away any of their own doubts or if they are, it's 100% subconscious—maybe a protective mechanism of some sort. At least in their conscious self (which is usually what people talk about when they discuss self-confidence) they seem to have an excess of self-confidence.
Wikipedia has a nice article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect
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On December 12 2011 13:02 Hoban wrote:
As soon as I found out you can modify the recommended items tab, buying became much quicker for me.
Wait... Whaaaaat?
How? This is the #1 thing I've missed from HoN.
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On December 12 2011 15:00 skipgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 13:02 Hoban wrote:
As soon as I found out you can modify the recommended items tab, buying became much quicker for me. Wait... Whaaaaat? How? This is the #1 thing I've missed from HoN.
Wtf i want to know too
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You have to modify some scripts in the folder, Steam games are very customizable, as CS 1.6 was. Personally it's never been an issue for me since I'm going to be typing in the item I want anyways, and I keep it there the whole til I complete the item and then switch to the next item I'd build towards, it doesn't add but 2 seconds of time during a dead period in the game, so I haven't bothered modding the recommended items.
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