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CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
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architecture
United States643 Posts
If you do not have a top team to train with, you will not make it in SC2 either. There's no laddering your way to tournament-winning play. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:28 Wrath 2.1 wrote: levent and eternal envy really good players, both would make it easily to the top in dota2. If they consider it worth it, that is. I do think its worth it and that's why I'm going for it no matter what people say. =o | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 12 2011 06:38 superstartran wrote: Here's the best advice I can give you. Talk to people like a career councilor of you have access to one. Make sure that you have some sort of back-up plan if you don't make it. I like how you have the balls to do this, but remember, just like anything else in life, you have to remember that you are taking a risk. I once wanted to go pro at tennis until I started talking to some former pros and realized that the amount of work you put in versus the payoff was ridiculous (as in, you put in years of your life for a matter of minimum wage at best). I do remember playing you in a few games of HoN, and you are indeed exceptionally talented, much more than some "pros" at HoN. Just remember that if you are going to go out there and try something like this, that you have completely thought about it. As other guys have been saying in this thread, the world of E-Sports is not stable. Even if you make it big, you can easily be swept aside and have no backup plan. Thanks for the concern but as I've stated time and time again, I do have a back up plan. Keep in mind that I am not "dropping out" I am merely taking leave. I can go back to school and start the same year anytime. | ||
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hkf
Australia354 Posts
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phate
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While people are correct in saying there is more associated risk than a traditional root (obviously), you seem ready to accept that it might fail and have a backup plan, which is exactly what you need to be prepared to do. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:31 hkf wrote: Move to blogs? I think it's fine here. A lot of the discussion is off-topic now and has brought some really good input. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:31 hkf wrote: Move to blogs? well, now this thread is more a debate about the future of DotA 2 itself lol | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On December 12 2011 07:27 EternaLEnVy wrote: Thanks for the concern but as I've stated time and time again, I do have a back up plan. Keep in mind that I am not "dropping out" I am merely taking leave. I can go back to school and start the same year anytime. It's good to see that you have a backup plan unlike most people who attempt to go pro. Most guys believe that they can simply just will their way there to the top without any kind of planning and preparation. You actually have a headstart on most people in that you were actually in the elite level of HoN players, so you know what it takes to get there. I just don't like it when people just simply say "I'm dropping out of school and going pro" without some sort of plan for the future. | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
But please stay in school. I'm still in highschool, but I've dropped hardcore gaming to get into university. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
As long as you reallllyyy understand what you are sacrificing... good luck.  | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:27 oxxo wrote: It's hard when you're young, but try to think of this long term. Sure you can go back to school, but that just means you are starting to earn money at a later date (opportunity cost). Time off is essentially costing you your salary as an engineer. In addition, you're delaying your experiences = moving up the ladder later in your life. Which all goes into the fact that starting to save for retirement means you will end up with more money with less money put in (exponential growth). PLUS there's the fact that statistically you are more than likely not going to end up going back to school. As long as you reallllyyy understand what you are sacrificing... good luck. I don't really care though. I don't need a lot of money to live, I don't really give a shit about having a house or a nice car. Thus, even if I start late in getting money, and my retirement money isn't good, I'm sure I'll still be able to live in a decent apartment. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:03 Hoban wrote: I am really getting into Dota and would definitely like to play at a higher level. Care to share any tips you have for practicing ect? I have found it really hard to practice without at least one other person to coordinate with. Solo queue seems more about picking a pubstomper. Would like to hear opinions and ideas for practice methods/styles ect. If you can stomp roughly 65-70% of semi-decent level public games then you can start thinking about looking for a team. You also want to be able to play multiple roles on a team. You need to ensure that your micro abilities are at least good enough to compete with other players in league play. Start off small and be willing to play the roles no one else wants to play. You will get much further along in competitive play if you are willing to sacrifice individual score for the overall goal of winning. The only reason why you should be taking mid/hard carry over other players is if you for a fact are simply better than everyone else on your team (which is usually the case in pubs, but not in high level play). On December 12 2011 08:32 EternaLEnVy wrote: I don't really care though. I don't need a lot of money to live, I don't really give a shit about having a house or a nice car. Thus, even if I start late in getting money, and my retirement money isn't good, I'm sure I'll still be able to live in a decent apartment. Things become different if you ever want to start a family or even just live with your significant other. Just remember that your taking a huge risk for a potentially low payoff. | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
I strongly even believe since to us school takes such a long time to complete and so time consuming and we view it so negatively, this is why a lot of us try to take up our desires in Esports because it seems like a way out, similar is what happens to some of my friends who do not play video games but tried to pursue poker professionally. Most of the time it does not end well, sure there are those few exceptions (Like Stefano who delayed med school to play sc2). We want to fill the void in our lives with video games because as students we are definitely strapped for cash and playing video games as a living to just get by seems better than going to school while being a "starving student". I strongly feel that these desires will go away when we finish our degrees and get decent paying jobs in our fields, since we will have a strong income, and we will not want to give that up (along with the perks of a good income) to pay video games professionally although we are quite good at them, they will be more of a getaway to relax from stress instead of a getaway and dream to get away from our problems in life. I just now realized that my second paragraph is doing what you dont want to read lol... I might actually make up my own blog about Esports and university students, because it seems like such a interesting topic. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On December 12 2011 05:36 x6.Chouji wrote: BULBAAAA~! lol noobs. I read nothing in this thread except the original post. I used to play DoTa quite alot many years ago. I played @ a few lans and a few major online tournaments when e-sports was still something of a dream for x6. It definitely affected my RL as my grades and class attendance was quite low. After I graduated I decided I wasn't great enough to go to China and become the best player on earth and now I am an accountant. Without dota I may have been able to be a much more successful accountant, but I am quite successful as it is and I try not to have any regrets. I enjoyed it. Of my old teammates only 3 still play. Demon - EG for DoTa/DoTa2, Yoda - EZ for HoN, Merc - EZ for HoN? 70+% of the "pros" that are not from Asia today in LoL, HoN and DoTa I have played with or against in some way or form. The most successful I would think is obviously Demon. And he does not make a lot of money. He makes enough to live and probably make more than he would had he not done that (as he was working at a local movie theater before). What he makes compared to what HuK (from sc2) makes is probably laughable in comparison. I probably make less than HuK as a 3rd year accountant (I assume hes making from 100-150k in 2011). But it's stable and has a much better future and I will make alot more than him soon. Whereas his time may be over at any point in time that a bunch of new players with better strategies and micro than him will emerge (the game is still very young). You have to remember, before 2010-2011 it was ridiculous to even consider making a true career of e-sports outside of Korea/China as a career. This is all new ground. You want to stream and make money and practice? You will need a damn good stable team and a damn good sponsor (things are are almost nonexistent for MOB games). I'm sure you can scrape by and you are still young. But. Consider it a life experience. If you get good enough you can travel to many new places, meet cool people, and generally have a blast. But in no way is it a career. You SHOULD do this as you will experience something not many have or will have. Sometimes I envy demon for his option of going out to play his heart out all over the world. But the rest of me knows this is the best. Having a home, decent income, great girlfriend and playing games casually. And raging at noobs. I would bet you a pretty penny that Yoda has made more from streaming in the past year than Demon. And that HuK makes closer to 200-300k after prize money and streaming. | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:08 Zlasher wrote: I would bet you a pretty penny that Yoda has made more from streaming in the past year than Demon. And that HuK makes closer to 200-300k after prize money and streaming. No way, Less than 200k but above 100k forsure, its apart of his contract to stream, and he probably gets MAX 3-4grand a month from streaming | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:03 Hoban wrote: I am really getting into Dota and would definitely like to play at a higher level. Care to share any tips you have for practicing ect? I have found it really hard to practice without at least one other person to coordinate with. Solo queue seems more about picking a pubstomper. Would like to hear opinions and ideas for practice methods/styles ect. SUPER TRY HARD RESPONSE (Ignore if you aren't that serious) 0. Play with people around your skill level! And play SERIOUS games. One way to do this is to play on dotalicious, google it. By playing on a ladder system such as dotalicious, you are better gurateed to play with people around your own level. Do not waste time playing pubs. 1. Don't memorize, but at least understand EVERYTHING about characters. Read every character skill, some skills are very unique and not many people including high lvl players know the specifics. One example would be Sand King Ultimate grows in radius as time elapses. Understand their range some heroes have 500,550,600,625, blah range and you should know these. Know their animation. Know their combos, and damage, and mana cost of those combos. To do this, go to single player and go through every hero in test mode .2. Learn Juke Spots -go around find some juke spots and try to apply them in your game 3. Learn to Buy items You should be able to buy items retardedly quickly at secret shop, side shop, and town, and using crow. People always stand in fountain and have to find their items, but a good player needs to be able to buy ANY item within 2 seconds. Heros can also move while buying items, if you use shift click, you can buy items at side shops/secret shops while moving. Go to single player and practice buying items, and also know the cost of every item, including the full recipe. Aka butterfly is 6000 gold is important to know. 4. Stamp Collecting Make sure you do all the little things, hotkey your tower invulerable thing, hotkey chicken, hero, and summons. Make sure your setup is right, if not change it and get use to it. COUNT ROSHAN. Whenever roshan dies, you should know EXACTLY when it spawns the next time. I believe its 10minutes after, people NEVER keep actual count of roshan spawns. They just know approximately when its about to respawn which is NOT good enough. Runes spawn every 2 minutes, you should know about how much time it takes for you to get to a rune location from your position. A lot of noobs go to rune and then stand there for 30 seconds bcuz they don't know how long it takes to get there. If you know this shit, you can get there at exactly the time when it spawns. 5. Don't forget/write down tricks that you find. For example, if you turn on/off a basilius ring next to neutral creeps, it will agro them. Almost no one knows this. You can also eat a specific tree in middle scourge lane and have instant access to the secret shop. There are also many other interesting mechanics that people nede to know, such as URN cancels linkens etc. Don't be ignorant to these things if you ever find them! 6. Understand which heroes are good and which are bad! It's a waste of time to play -random and play w/e hero u get. It's better to play the better heroes first untill you start playing the more random ones. And to try to play the same hero repeatedly untill your good at it and then move on. Playing modes like -ar and shit is a waste of time. Also do not play EM. In order to understand this, go through gosugamers replays and check which heroes are picked/banned. You may not need to watch the replays, but you need to go over the pick/ban analysis summary which you can access without watching the replay in order to figure out what heroes are worth your time. 7. Ward Spots. This is more high lvl stuff, but if you are good enough to purchase wards (don't be a noob and buy wards, it will just get you killed), you should know where to place these wards. Go to www.dotacommentaries.com and watch some of Luminious48's special videos where he goes over interesting mechanics and also teaches you random stuff. He has interesting videos that teach of warding, how to farm, how to jungle, and other good stuff. 8. Focus! and "team work" Try to drop flame wars as fast as possible. If you want to get good, it is more important to play to win, than play by your pride. If a teammate won't cooperate no matter what, just play and ignore him. Play to win. MINI MAP. BE SURE TO FUCKING CHECK IT, AND FUCKING CALL YOUR LANE AND LISTEN TO MIAS. Take them very seriously! It is better to play safe and then progressively get more ballsy as you learn the game than play ballsy and then go into safe mode eventually. The latter is what everyone does, and it's stupid. 9. Positioning and Greed Buy fucking TPs. People are greedy and don't buy them but you need to carry one later on almost at all times. There are only specifics instances where you wouldn't carry one like saving for radiance recipe at 10000 gold or something. Don't dive towers unless you know what your doing, do not get greedy. Play safe. If you have any sense that things might not work out the way you think, get out. If you play SC2, it's kinda the same thing, straving your opponent is usualyl better than going in and attacking and failing. You are giving opponents a chance to come back! PLAY PATIENTLY. Most noobs won't but convince your team that if your winning you shold just strave them out instead of suicide push. Play smartly though, sometimes pushing to further your advantage is good. Analyze risks and benefits and decide, don't be suicidal though! POSITION YOURSELF during fights. The WORSE thing about noobs is that they have no idea what positioning is. They merely just charge in and cast spells and then go "OH I DID MY PART I USED ALL MY SPELLS." This does not cut it all the time. 10. How to Learn a Hero Copy Skill Build from a pro player (through replays), copy their item build, etc. Be sure to watch a few replays or at least briefly scan it on 4x/8x and check how they farm, when they gank, when they run, when they go in, etc etc etc before you blindly play the hero. When you finally learn something properly, then you can be innovative, but first you must just copy shit and understand why pros do the things they do. Now if any of this sounds kinda iffy to you, watch REPLAYS. The best way to get better is to have a mind set, a goal, a vision that you want to achieve. If you have no idea what aspects to improve on, and more importantly how to improve it, you should figure that out before you play. The best way to do that is through replays! >_> hi | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On December 12 2011 08:03 Hoban wrote: I am really getting into Dota and would definitely like to play at a higher level. Care to share any tips you have for practicing ect? I have found it really hard to practice without at least one other person to coordinate with. Solo queue seems more about picking a pubstomper. Would like to hear opinions and ideas for practice methods/styles ect. I suppose this isn't really practicing but one important thing I think is really watching the pro games. You also get a better feel for what you can do in certain situations, though be careful of times where you have to rely on teammates. Pubbies don't make the best teammates  . However a thing I learned alot from watching pro games is about items. You have the little recommended item tab in DotA 2. For the most part they're fine though there are some that I really have issues with like Weavers an all. Watching pro games is really good idea to get to know what are good item builds, items for certain situations. Situational builds etc. | ||
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