Due to parents, I've decided to delay this till mid April. Thanks a lot everyone, but now I'll have more time to do more indepth research. However, I would like to have more input. The neat thing about this thread is that I'm getting a lot of suggestions that an computer noob like me has yet to consider.
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Hello, I am a shut in kid from Canada who doesn't know anything but Math, Science, random shit, anime, and video games. I made this thread in order to get some help but first let me explain the situation:
My IGN is EternaLEnVy in HoN and DotA and my SC2 name is YanagiNagi. I have not played SC2 since July, and HoN since August of 2010. I played DotA for a few weeks in August of this year but haven't really played seriously since probably mid 2008. I played mid solo for DWi (Deal With It) and was rank 2 on the ladder for a few months in HoN. I won one major tournament under this team and placed fairly high in every other. I believe this team is called Complexity now. I was rank 2 in DotA Cash Tier 2 (under Aisaka_Taiga) while I was messing around for a few weeks in august but I doubt that actually matters.
OK SO ENOUGH OF THAT HERE IS THE SITUATION:
I'm a 2nd year Engineering Science Student at the University of Toronto. It's basically this extremely fucking retarded course that destroys your soul:
Although I'm doing decently in this program (low 80 average ish), I've decided that before starting the 2nd half of 2nd year, to go on "leave" and start playing DotA seriously. Basically I can come back to school if I fail miserably. To make money I plan on streaming (10-13 hours a day every day), coaching (not sure how this works), and winning tournaments. If I end up failing miserably in gaming I can go back to school.
HERE ARE MY CONCERNS: 1. Streaming. Where do I stream? I was originally thinking of Justin.TV but then I heard of a site called Own3d from my friend that apparently pays better. I would appreciate it if anyone could compare these two sites for me.
My second concern in streaming is in money. On Justin.TV you get $0.002 for every ad you show a viewer, so basically $2 for every ad given 1000 viewers. Some people have further extrapolated this to 4 games/hour in SC2 and thus $8 every hour. This worries me because DotA games last much longer, probably would take 45minutes on average to find a game, pick, and play. I'm also not too sure about the math being used here, do people really only show one ad after every game? Say I show an ad after I finish a game and another b4 my 2nd game starts, would this be frowned upon? I don't watch DotA 2 streams so if anyone could tell me how it works that would be great.
2. Canada Sucks Streaming in Canada fucking sucks. Our internet is overpriced and we don't get enough bandwidth or options. But honestly I know nothing about any of this stuff so I'm here to get input. I'm willing to pay more for better internet service but I'm stuck with Rogers for another 2 years I believe due to a contract. What internet speed do I need to play while streaming and not lag. How much bandwidth would I need to stream 12 hours per day every day for a month. And if possible, help me choose a plan that would be able to solve this issue. I also hear that you could call up rogers and make a deal with them, if anyone knows anything about this please comment.
Those two are my main concerns other than personal ones. If anyone knows anything else I should look into, please comment on that as well. I could probably do some more research of my own but its exam period and I need to make this choice before the end of the semester, so I apologize if it feels like I'm leeching too much.
Thanks for your help.
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THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS NOT TO CONVINCE ME OF STAYING IN SCHOOL. You have no right to judge me because you know nothing about what I've considered. It is unfair to criticize someone's judgement that they took many hours considering on whim. Please don't derail the thread.
If you intend to continue anyway, please understand that I CAN GO BACK TO SCHOOL if I fail. It's only a year or two of my life. My financial issues aren't so bad that these two years would cost my life.
On December 10 2011 11:22 Darkren wrote: U sound like u need a psychologue and not quitting school and being stuck infront of a computer alone all day.
Reconsider what makes u happy in life and seek some help.
And miss out on him, possibly, becoming a great player? The scene needs great players, there is a chance we might have one in him. Hurr-durr you should do school... hurr-durr you should be a responsible human being... where the fuck is the enjoyment of life in that. As long as you do not limit your options to only being the best / or suicide... I wish you luck in your future career, be it as a Dota player -- or an engineer.
ive played with u before in dotacash. you're quite good who am i to judge about ur plans so anyways
1) i'd go with justin.tv, its better and easier for viewers than own3d. i have heard of making money off of ads by streaming but i dont know how it works (how does the money reach me, etc)
2)sorry, i dont know much about internet either, but i think you should be able to stream with good quality regardless of living in canada.
I have clear reasons as to why I'm doing this. I did not make this thread so that people could change my mind. I just haven't stated my reasons in order to keep the thread concise, plus its not really necessary in order to answer my concerns. I don't really think you can judge me based on what I've written here, though it does make me seem like a geek (which I am), it by no means shows that I'm unhappy.
I don't think you can judge people by your own standards. Plus, I've considered, and reconsidered many many times, this is not a spur of the moment thing I'm planning here. It's because I want to pursue what I love that I'm doing this.
I posted this topic here (not in dota websites) because I believe that many people on TL know that being a pro-gamer isn't just some thing that retarded kids pursue, that it can have a future. I really hope other people don't respond the way you did.
You're going to quit becoming an engineer just because someone dubbed you into the Hitler meme? My friend is an engineer and he makes 60K a year, and you're excited to make $8/ hour? McDonald's pays better.
My main problem is that you clearly don't have the passion for it. It looks like you just consider pro-gaming a regular job and nothing else. You're going to get bored and stop. You even said in your post that you played only 12 hours in one month. Now you're going to do that every day?
I don't see you prioritizing this right. Destiny is pretty much the only player who can make a living off streaming, and that's because of his personality. What makes you think you'd get more than 100 viewers? Being good =/= many viewers.
Sorry if this sounds harsh; I just want you to be realistic. You have a good thing going for you right now.
On December 10 2011 11:29 s2pid_loser wrote: ive played with u before in dotacash. you're quite good who am i to judge about ur plans so anyways
1) i'd go with justin.tv, its better and easier for viewers than own3d. i have heard of making money off of ads by streaming but i dont know how it works (how does the money reach me, etc)
2)sorry, i dont know much about internet either, but i think you should be able to stream with good quality regardless of living in canada.
On December 10 2011 11:22 Darkren wrote: U sound like u need a psychologue and not quitting school and being stuck infront of a computer alone all day.
Reconsider what makes u happy in life and seek some help.
And miss out on him, possibly, becoming a great player? The scene needs great players, there is a chance we might have one in him. Hurr-durr you should do school... hurr-durr you should be a responsible human being... where the fuck is the enjoyment of life in that. As long as you do not limit your options to only being the best / or suicide... I wish you luck in your future career, be it as a Dota player -- or an engineer.
Yeah totally. If you're responsible, you can never have fun.
On December 10 2011 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You're going to quit becoming an engineer just because someone dubbed you into the Hitler meme? My friend is an engineer and he makes 60K a year, and you're excited to make $8/ hour? McDonald's pays better.
My main problem is that you clearly don't have the passion for it. It looks like you just consider pro-gaming a regular job and nothing else. You're going to get bored and stop. You even said in your post that you played only 12 hours in one month. Now you're going to do that every day?
I don't see you prioritizing this right. Destiny is pretty much the only player who can make a living off streaming, and that's because of his personality. What makes you think you'd get more than 100 viewers? Being good =/= many viewers.
Sorry if this sounds harsh; I just want you to be realistic. You have a good thing going for you right now.
I rather not deal with these type of posts but at least you've put thought into it so I will.
Please understand that the 12 hours for a month was all I needed to get cap level, when ever there was a new level cap I played 16-20 hours a day in order to get it first, and this is while skipping high school. There's no point in playing any longer right if there's nothing to do. What makes me think I'll get more than 100 viewers is that other HoN pros have over 1k, and I was at there level before I quit. Whether my personality is fit for streaming is for me to decide.
You only think of Engineering as a profession for money. Making a lot of money is not what concerns me, as long as I can make a decent living I'll be fine.
But to be perfectly honest, I am extremely confident in my gaming if I play seriously. Everything I've accomplished in HoN and other games was while maintaining a 95 average in school. But I'm not here to show off.
I can add a lot more details into my analysis of why I want to do this (I'm an engineer right...?) but I'm not going to. Everything you said I've obviously considered, none of it strikes the eye at all. I believe that I deserve enough respect that people should not be able to judge me at least based on what I've written.
On December 10 2011 11:29 s2pid_loser wrote: ive played with u before in dotacash. you're quite good who am i to judge about ur plans so anyways
1) i'd go with justin.tv, its better and easier for viewers than own3d. i have heard of making money off of ads by streaming but i dont know how it works (how does the money reach me, etc)
2)sorry, i dont know much about internet either, but i think you should be able to stream with good quality regardless of living in canada.
Thanks, can you elaborate on your first point?
justin.tv allows u to choose the quality to watch so ppl can watch it at 360p or higher depending on their own internet so thats better than own3d which only has HD or non HD
also, streaming games through justin.tv allows you to use twitch.tv for better publicity
On December 10 2011 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You're going to quit becoming an engineer just because someone dubbed you into the Hitler meme? My friend is an engineer and he makes 60K a year, and you're excited to make $8/ hour? McDonald's pays better.
My main problem is that you clearly don't have the passion for it. It looks like you just consider pro-gaming a regular job and nothing else. You're going to get bored and stop. You even said in your post that you played only 12 hours in one month. Now you're going to do that every day?
I don't see you prioritizing this right. Destiny is pretty much the only player who can make a living off streaming, and that's because of his personality. What makes you think you'd get more than 100 viewers? Being good =/= many viewers.
Sorry if this sounds harsh; I just want you to be realistic. You have a good thing going for you right now.
I rather not deal with these type of posts but at least you've put thought into it so I will.
Please understand that the 12 hours for a month was all I needed to get cap level, when ever there was a new level cap I played 16-20 hours a day in order to get it first, and this is while skipping high school. There's no point in playing any longer right if there's nothing to do. What makes me think I'll get more than 100 viewers is that other HoN pros have over 1k, and I was at there level before I quit. Whether my personality is fit for streaming is for me to decide.
You only think of Engineering as a profession for money. Making a lot of money is not what concerns me, as long as I can make a decent living I'll be fine.
But to be perfectly honest, I am extremely confident in my gaming if I play seriously. Everything I've accomplished in HoN and other games was while maintaining a 95 average in school. But I'm not here to show off.
I can add a lot more details into my analysis of why I want to do this (I'm an engineer right...?) but I'm not going to. Everything you said I've obviously considered, none of it strikes the eye at all. I believe that I deserve enough respect that people should not be able to judge me at least based on what I've written.
Well, good luck to you then. Unfortunately, I have no information on streaming. I hope you succeed!
On December 10 2011 11:22 Darkren wrote: U sound like u need a psychologue and not quitting school and being stuck infront of a computer alone all day.
Reconsider what makes u happy in life and seek some help.
Expecting everybody else in the world to value only the same things that you value is quite ridiculous, many successful people didn't finish university, and there are many people who finish university that still don't do very well after it. It also sounds like the course he is doing would make anybody extremely unhappy, so I think it's perfectly reasonable and actually quite intelligent for him to take leave from the course and try doing something that can earn him a living as well as actually make him happy about his life.
On December 10 2011 11:22 Darkren wrote: U sound like u need a psychologue and not quitting school and being stuck infront of a computer alone all day.
Reconsider what makes u happy in life and seek some help.
And miss out on him, possibly, becoming a great player? The scene needs great players, there is a chance we might have one in him. Hurr-durr you should do school... hurr-durr you should be a responsible human being... where the fuck is the enjoyment of life in that. As long as you do not limit your options to only being the best / or suicide... I wish you luck in your future career, be it as a Dota player -- or an engineer.
Yeah totally. If you're responsible, you can never have fun.
False dichotomies make me so sad.
Being a clever fellow I am sure that You realised that the term "responsible" was used as a direct nod to the poster(s) before me, who all cried the same thing: you are a fool, go back to school. Aye that was the "responsible" course of action here . . . did it look as if OP was "having fun"?
On December 10 2011 11:22 Darkren wrote: U sound like u need a psychologue and not quitting school and being stuck infront of a computer alone all day.
Reconsider what makes u happy in life and seek some help.
And miss out on him, possibly, becoming a great player? The scene needs great players, there is a chance we might have one in him. Hurr-durr you should do school... hurr-durr you should be a responsible human being... where the fuck is the enjoyment of life in that. As long as you do not limit your options to only being the best / or suicide... I wish you luck in your future career, be it as a Dota player -- or an engineer.
Yeah totally. If you're responsible, you can never have fun.
False dichotomies make me so sad.
Being a clever fellow I am sure that You realised that the term "responsible" was used as a direct nod to the poster(s) before me, who all cried the same thing: you are a fool, go back to school. Aye that was the "responsible" course of action here . . . did it look as if OP was "having fun"?
Right because other, more responsible, options (like doing this after he completes his degree, rather than quitting school) couldn't lead to any fun in the future. It just has to be right now.
But I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I'm going to leave it alone and wish you a good night.
On December 10 2011 11:29 s2pid_loser wrote: ive played with u before in dotacash. you're quite good who am i to judge about ur plans so anyways
1) i'd go with justin.tv, its better and easier for viewers than own3d. i have heard of making money off of ads by streaming but i dont know how it works (how does the money reach me, etc)
2)sorry, i dont know much about internet either, but i think you should be able to stream with good quality regardless of living in canada.
Thanks, can you elaborate on your first point?
justin.tv allows u to choose the quality to watch so ppl can watch it at 360p or higher depending on their own internet so thats better than own3d which only has HD or non HD
also, streaming games through justin.tv allows you to use twitch.tv for better publicity
This is false. own3d has the same settings for displayed resolution as twitch.tv. Own3d.tv also pays much higher rates to its partners and is always working for both the US and EU region, unlike twitch, which is why regular non-tournament streamers have much higher viewer counts on own3d.
If you're a top dawg and you meet the twitch.tv executive guys at lans they'll buy you hookers and drugs tho. So pick your favorite between the two.
This was quite an obnoxious read. You seem to be quite the narcistic character, confidence is one thing but having it too much is just annoying.
Also the others are right, you should never leave school for gaming unless you are already having success at that moment. It's a terrible choice to leave school with the expectation that you will do well and make enough money with streaming. If you don't like your education, go do something else or finish it and then go do something else but this entire plan is just rediculous. This bragging about engsci is also just plain annoying
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