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On December 10 2011 16:44 Cel.erity wrote:
If you're quitting school because you want to pursue pro DotA, that's fine.
If you're quitting school because you think you can make money streaming, don't waste your time. Until you become known, you'll be lucky to get 100 viewers on a good day, and even once you do become known I don't think there's a good way to play commercials due to the game length as you stated. If you play commercials 3 times during your games, people aren't going to want to watch your stream. Also, your math is off. It's $8/1k viewers who DO NOT have adblock. Guess what though? 75% of viewers have adblock, so you actually need 4k viewers to make that kind of money. It's just not feasible to make a living this way.
Where do you get numbers like, "75% of people have adblock"?
I certainly don't, and i know a number of people who don't. More than who do. While i'm not saying that you can't be right with this, i just wanted to know if you had an actual reason to believe 75% don't, or if you're just picking that number b/c you believe that the vast majority of people use it, simply because you do.
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I just don't see how playing DotA so much is so beneficial that you need to quit school? You're a veteran DotA player so I'd imagine you're aware that being able to play at the highest level skillwise is actually not that big of a feat (not comparable to starcraft at least), it's the teamwork and strategies that have always been the number one things to practice for pros, so playing like 4 hours a day should be enough if you want to get back in shape. As far as I know most DotA pros in the past have been able to keep studying while maintaining a career. If it's the money you want from streaming then I just don't see much point in it. Being good is not enough to guarantee big viewer numbers, so in my opinion it's kind of a gamble whether you'll make it or not.
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Hey. I don't think people will mind if you show 2 commercial after each dota game, because they go be very long. But the key thing about getting enough viewers to make this plausible, is you have to talk with your audience as the game is going on. Make sure you have an interesting enough personality. Also, I believe giving commentary is easier in dota, because there is more downtime for talking, like when you are lasting creeps. Anyways those are my thought, I don't really have any knowledge of the internet situation.
I wish you the best of luck!
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Dota is not sc.
You don't need to play it 12h/day to be able to be the best.
If you want to drop out, thats your problem. But do something else then...playing that much dota is a waste. The has a low skill cap, once you get into a team, then you can have some schedule for practice, but that is mostly few games a day (judging by what it was in pro dota).
You can read interviews from best players in the world, stating that after a while, it was just about playing a few games a week and keeping up teamwork.
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On December 11 2011 00:48 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 16:44 Cel.erity wrote:
If you're quitting school because you want to pursue pro DotA, that's fine.
If you're quitting school because you think you can make money streaming, don't waste your time. Until you become known, you'll be lucky to get 100 viewers on a good day, and even once you do become known I don't think there's a good way to play commercials due to the game length as you stated. If you play commercials 3 times during your games, people aren't going to want to watch your stream. Also, your math is off. It's $8/1k viewers who DO NOT have adblock. Guess what though? 75% of viewers have adblock, so you actually need 4k viewers to make that kind of money. It's just not feasible to make a living this way. Where do you get numbers like, "75% of people have adblock"? I certainly don't, and i know a number of people who don't. More than who do. While i'm not saying that you can't be right with this, i just wanted to know if you had an actual reason to believe 75% don't, or if you're just picking that number b/c you believe that the vast majority of people use it, simply because you do.
Depends on the demographic. Everybody I know uses adblock, and they don't refrain from telling others to use it(although we disable it on TL because we love TL).
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lots of people use adblock, i would say a majority but I dont have any data.
Personally I dont, but the majority of people i know use it.
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On December 11 2011 00:48 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 16:44 Cel.erity wrote:
If you're quitting school because you want to pursue pro DotA, that's fine.
If you're quitting school because you think you can make money streaming, don't waste your time. Until you become known, you'll be lucky to get 100 viewers on a good day, and even once you do become known I don't think there's a good way to play commercials due to the game length as you stated. If you play commercials 3 times during your games, people aren't going to want to watch your stream. Also, your math is off. It's $8/1k viewers who DO NOT have adblock. Guess what though? 75% of viewers have adblock, so you actually need 4k viewers to make that kind of money. It's just not feasible to make a living this way. Where do you get numbers like, "75% of people have adblock"? I certainly don't, and i know a number of people who don't. More than who do. While i'm not saying that you can't be right with this, i just wanted to know if you had an actual reason to believe 75% don't, or if you're just picking that number b/c you believe that the vast majority of people use it, simply because you do.
Plus, intelligent viewers take the 1 second to disable adblock on their favorite stream sites like twitch.tv. Saying 75% is just being retarded, it'd be nowhere near that.
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I remember you as well, from open leagues and shit on BNet (I was MasSamurai).
You've already stated you don't want posts to attempt to change your mind so I'll go with that for now.
Basically with streaming services you're looking at SC2 vs LoL. LoL players use Ow3nd and have become a lot more familiar with their service. They're also rumored to pay more (unsure if this is true). Big named LoL players like HotshotGG can get 30k+ viewers and I've read somewhere (again not a trusted source or anything) you make roughly 3 dollars per 1k viewer per ad. The SC2 community loves Twitch.TV. They're always around the scene and engages with the community a lot. They have the love and support of the Starcraft 2 community.
What you'd have to do in DotA is run multiple commercials between games. Some Starcraft 2 people do it after long games as well. Since it can take quite some time to find a game you want to run a couple and probably talk in chat to entertain viewers, etc.
If you have shit internet it'll be hard to Stream. People usually want the option of having awesome quality (720/1080) to shit quality (360/480) depending in their internet speed. At 360 you can discern major things like different heroes, major graphic spells, etc but small numbers are blurry, etc. You probably want at least 540+. A Stream I regularly view at work is on 540+ and it's enough for me to read most of the crap on the screen and understand what's going on.
Your best bet in getting a bunch of viewers is placing well in a decent tournament. Something major would obviously help but people don't usually jump into that right away.
Good luck with everything, hope it works out well.
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I don't see why you have to leave school to do this. Merlini was also an engineering student while he was an accomplished dota player.
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Thanks guys.
As for the people who think it's possible to do engineering and gaming at the same time. Keep in mind that I need to catch up to them, Merlini was already the best at his time. More importantly, my course is considered Elite and is probably 2 times faster pace with 1.5x more work than a normal engineering course in my uni. We finished vector calc (divergence theorem etc) mid October of second year while Electrical Engineering doesn't finish vector calc till the end of second semester of second year. I don't think I can keep up with school while being pro.
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On December 11 2011 01:28 Gotmog wrote:
Dota is not sc.
You don't need to play it 12h/day to be able to be the best.
If you want to drop out, thats your problem. But do something else then...playing that much dota is a waste. The has a low skill cap, once you get into a team, then you can have some schedule for practice, but that is mostly few games a day (judging by what it was in pro dota).
You can read interviews from best players in the world, stating that after a while, it was just about playing a few games a week and keeping up teamwork.
I disagree entirely. The only reason as to why I was climbing up quickly when I was a kid was because I played more than everyone else (while still taking it seriously). Chinese DotA pros are the best because of the sheer hours of practice and seriousness of practice. It is because of this mind set that NA players are so far behind.
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On December 11 2011 00:07 Jyxz wrote:
EternalEnvy eh, i still remember you as Sp[i]rit from like 2005 dota =). Going pro eh, good luck noob =).
lol jyxzdark7 or w/e
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You can do anything if you're intelligent. But remember that, unfortunately, it's easier to make money in esports with "personality" than with skill.
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1. Can't help you here. I don't know enough about the two sites.
2. You need to do your own research. As each area has different pricing and speeds, people across Canada can't help you. Look at your local ISPs and figure out what is best for you. You should first take a look at stream settings and estimate how much upload and bandwidth allowance you're going to need to stream.
Good luck. Another thing to consider is that the viewer count for Dota2 streams might increase once the game is actually released. That might help you.
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I would love to watch you play dota/dota2.
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On December 11 2011 00:48 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 16:44 Cel.erity wrote:
If you're quitting school because you want to pursue pro DotA, that's fine.
If you're quitting school because you think you can make money streaming, don't waste your time. Until you become known, you'll be lucky to get 100 viewers on a good day, and even once you do become known I don't think there's a good way to play commercials due to the game length as you stated. If you play commercials 3 times during your games, people aren't going to want to watch your stream. Also, your math is off. It's $8/1k viewers who DO NOT have adblock. Guess what though? 75% of viewers have adblock, so you actually need 4k viewers to make that kind of money. It's just not feasible to make a living this way. Where do you get numbers like, "75% of people have adblock"? I certainly don't, and i know a number of people who don't. More than who do. While i'm not saying that you can't be right with this, i just wanted to know if you had an actual reason to believe 75% don't, or if you're just picking that number b/c you believe that the vast majority of people use it, simply because you do.
Dan Dihn from League of Legends gave similar statistics.
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Sadly, I don't even have a DotA 2 key, and even if I did I'm debating whether I should even play it for a while, the game is too betaish and it's definitely not the best way to get better. I'm sure I'll play some games with people like Tarano are on but other than that it might be a waste of time in terms of practice.
I wonder if people would even watch DotA streams (not dota 2)
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The worst thing that can happen is that you fail misserably and have to go back to school with your tail between your legs. If you want to do this and it makes you happy, go for it. Personally, I would rather spend a year studying abroad etc (which is what I personally did, moved to Japan for a year) but if it's gaming you want to do, that's what you should do.
If you were really one of the better HoN players, you might even do well, so why not?
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I would recommend you to finish your undergrad or perhaps even master degree before pursuing the life of progaming seriously. In the case that you fail you at least have something to fall back on. Also having a low 80s average is like a 3.7~ GPA in U of T, for an engsci student that's pretty godly, so waiting 2-3 more years to finish your degree probably a piece of cake for you seeing how you're not even trying that hard in school.
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On December 11 2011 02:48 Nos- wrote:
I would recommend you to finish your undergrad or perhaps even master degree before pursuing the life of progaming seriously. In the case that you fail you at least have something to fall back on. Also having a low 80s average is like a 3.7~ GPA in U of T, for an engsci student that's pretty godly, so waiting 2-3 more years to finish your degree probably a piece of cake for you seeing how you're not even trying that hard in school.
and what's the point of having a degree?
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