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daytrippers
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 20:15:32
December 10 2011 19:55 GMT
#121
Yooo eternalenvy!! Its Vikingar/kunjen. We played a fuckload in DCL, until you went to some dumb asian dragon rpg or something. gogo EE!
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
December 10 2011 20:03 GMT
#122
My advice would be try to get good at the game and then get featured on some site. For example, Team solo mid from league of legends is opening a dota2 part of their website. If you can get good enough that they would feature you, your viewer count should rise.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
December 10 2011 20:11 GMT
#123
If you want to make money from this, get a really powerful PC. Use Xsplit to stream to J.tv/Twitch/Own3d, everything. Market yourself. Make sure everyone knows who you are. Get contracts with all the streaming services.

Good luck!
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
December 10 2011 20:21 GMT
#124
On December 11 2011 01:57 Kaiko wrote:
Basically with streaming services you're looking at SC2 vs LoL. LoL players use Ow3nd and have become a lot more familiar with their service. They're also rumored to pay more (unsure if this is true). Big named LoL players like HotshotGG can get 30k+ viewers and I've read somewhere (again not a trusted source or anything) you make roughly 3 dollars per 1k viewer per ad. The SC2 community loves Twitch.TV. They're always around the scene and engages with the community a lot. They have the love and support of the Starcraft 2 community.


It is true, just straight up fact that they pay 50% more to partners because they have better ad company partnerships and stuff. Twitch pays 2 CPM, own3d pays 3 (this number CAN vary depending on individual contracts and deals, but for the most part its the generic amount offered to most everyone). But either way, getting partnership isn't that easy unless 1) you are already well known or 2) can get consistently high viewer counts, as both websites have become much more strict in the recent months, on who they add as partners. Also in terms of viewership the most watched dota streams tend to be on own3d as well (dendi, link, joindota, dota commentaries, other player streams) probably due to the fact that own3d has more european viewers, and dota is much more popular over there than in NA. Over in twitch only like, mania and sing really get above 200 viewers, and I don't think I've seen either of them go past 1k.
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Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
December 10 2011 20:31 GMT
#125
Twitch TV:
Mania is around 500-600 viewers.
Singsing is around 200-400 viewers.


Owned TV:

Dota2 streamers are dipping around 1000 viewers. Dendi reached 1500+ viewers on weekend. He has around 1k viewers on weeksday.
... funerals are insane, the chicks are so horny, its not even fair, its like fishing with dynamite ...
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 10 2011 20:39 GMT
#126
as a canadian internet user.. i think the fastest you can get is cogeco. although they have a bandwidth limit u can ask for pricing on unlim if they have. i heard teksavvy had an unlim plan but idk
fy12345
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada151 Posts
December 10 2011 20:42 GMT
#127
good for you man. I'm an engsci student myself graduating next june. Was engsci worth it? Absolutely not! Play your heart out bro, but when u realli want to get a job after you finish, transfer to indy ffs.
Canola
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada159 Posts
December 10 2011 20:51 GMT
#128
I just upgraded my Rogers plan in speed and limit (100 GB), as long as you're not torrenting like a fiend I think you'd be OK in that limit. See if you can upgrade if you have to be stuck with them for another 2 years. TekSavvy does have an unlim plan but I've got a friend who complains about the speed sometimes (though he has a few housemates who use a lot of net too so that's probably the issue)
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 10 2011 20:56 GMT
#129
I played several thousands dota games, even from the start i was significantly better than your average player (yes i know most people have the tendency to rank themselves above average in pretty much everything, i tried taking that into account^^) but i was still even after all those games horribly far away from the actual top players and even tiers below that, if this guy played amongst the best hon players without even committing himself I'd say there's no reason to not try for it if he really wants to.

GL HF!
Brood_Star
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:02:20
December 10 2011 21:53 GMT
#130
fuck it i'll make a post.

I'm at UofT engineering too and I'm some semi-pro DotA player on a team with the likes of MYM|PRIME|NATIONS|WINNER|USA|BuLba and OK|NIRVANA|AT|THE|INTERNATIONAL|UNiVeRsE.

I suggest you don't take leave. I don't know your reasons behind your decision, but it sounds rash and immature. You're in arguably the best program at a good university, so if you're doing as good as you say you are there should be no reason to drop it. Unless you're not or you don't find joy in what you're doing - the answer is not switch to DotA, but find something else. What else do you like doing besides "gaming and anime"? Most people enjoy those things, but enjoying it and having the dedication to go full-time and try and make a living off it are two very different things. What you want to do in life isn't just doing what makes you the happiest all the time.

Now with all the real-life shit out of the way, on to the DotA aspects.

I played you and eZ.Hunting in 1v1s a way long time ago, and I remember beating you. I remember playing you a couple times in TDAs and DCLs, and quite frankly you're what I lump into a category which basically consists of solo players who have the skill but not the mindset nor the insight to play on a team at a high level. You seem arrogant too. I can go on a list about my e-achievements and make them seem big and meaningful but at the end of the day they're not. I played with some well-known TF2 teams but in the end I'll never make it big in that. I played some street fighter with some of the best in America, but I'm still ultimately shit at that game. I'm decently skilled in a few other games, but that doesn't mean I'm destined to become pro.

In the same respects, getting high on the ladder might mean you're skilled, but it doesn't mean you'll make it at the top. I've been playing for a long ass time and with achievements better than yours (I wasn't playing competitive at the time of original IHL, TIHL or IHCS, but from every league since then I've mostly been there with quite a few top place finishes). I've still never broken into the very top of the DotA scene and there are still a lot of players better than me. Re-evaluate how you stand.

Now with that said, I'm not a divine being that makes your decisions for you. As I've outlined, your decision merely seems rash and immature and I'm trying to give you some perspective as to how being 'pro' really works. Anyone might indeed have the potential to become the next DeMoN if they go full-time. Who am I or anyone else to say otherwise? I think we'd all enjoy having someone like another day9 or tastosis in the esports community as evidenced by the support you're getting in this thread. I just think you need to think about it a bit more before you make that decision.

Toodles and tata~
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:11 GMT
#131
On December 11 2011 04:14 Eschaton wrote:
There is a whole world of possibilities under the umbrella of Math and Science. I started out in Radiation Health Physics / Nuclear Engineering and switched to Biochemistry & Biophysics in my 2nd year because I found something that did the opposite of crush my soul, even though it took a lot of work. I think you'd be keeping a lot more doors open by staying in school than by trying for a DOTA career. My 2c.


But the door I truly want won't be opened.
Hell in my head
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:15 GMT
#132
On December 11 2011 04:41 BuLba wrote:
lol

anyways, people overrate how well individual players make up teams. you can have 5 decent players and do either really well or poorly. its all about teamwork. look at Navi when they first had their new roster of 5 all star players. they actually lost to PGG and his PUG squad at ASUS. (top dota lan in russia). why? because they had no sense of teamwork/roles/ what to do at the time.
trace the team to how they are now and even in their games vs MYM when they either played poorly or well.
if you want to be successful in dota, u have to be successful with a team
you can be the best player in the planet and still be a random player if you dont have a team of 4 good players that know what to do. so get rid of your attitude now because you act like you are entitled to some godlike level from reading some of your posts.
and to the topic at hand, stick to engineering. Dota is a game that doesnt need as much constant mechanical practice as say sc2. if you have the mechanics, all you need to work on is teamwork and decisions. there is a skillcap in dota. look at china, all the top players are reasonably near each other in skill. but the (players) that do well compared to the players that dont do well are the ones with better teams and synergy. look at Xiaolou(eg's standin), i would put him at the level of top carries like zhou. but he lacks experience. same with sylar. anyways im just rattling on now.


if you can't manage both , that just says something about you and your willpower.


You have absolutely no idea how my program works. It is an extremely accelerated program that goes at twice the speed of Electrical Engineering which is one of the hardest engineerings in general. Regardless of will power or not, I am not talented enough to be one of the best in DotA while keeping my marks above 90 in school. I'm not the type that wants a 85 avg and pretty good at DotA, I'm the type to pick one and go for it. People that don't know me have no right to judge me.

As for your last paragraph, it is extremely contradictory. You say that we need experience and not just skill but then you go and say that practicing 12 hours is a waste of time. You get experience from playing, not just mechanics.
Hell in my head
Brood_Star
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:51:37
December 10 2011 22:18 GMT
#133
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EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:22 GMT
#134
On December 11 2011 06:53 Brood_Star wrote:
fuck it i'll make a post.

I'm at UofT engineering too and I'm some semi-pro DotA player on a team with the likes of MYM|PRIME|NATIONS|WINNER|USA|BuLba and OK|NIRVANA|AT|THE|INTERNATIONAL|UNiVeRsE.

I suggest you don't take leave. I don't know your reasons behind your decision, but it sounds rash and immature. You're in arguably the best program at a good university, so if you're doing as good as you say you are there should be no reason to drop it. Unless you're not or you don't find joy in what you're doing - the answer is not switch to DotA, but find something else. What else do you like doing besides "gaming and anime"? Most people enjoy those things, but enjoying it and having the dedication to go full-time and try and make a living off it are two very different things. What you want to do in life isn't just doing what makes you the happiest all the time.

Now with all the real-life shit out of the way, on to the DotA aspects.

I played you and eZ.Hunting in 1v1s a way long time ago, and I remember beating you. I remember playing you a couple times in TDAs and DCLs, and quite frankly you're what I lump into a category which basically consists of solo players who have the skill but not the mindset nor the insight to play on a team at a high level. You seem arrogant too. I can go on a list about my e-achievements and make them seem big and meaningful but at the end of the day they're not. I played with some well-known TF2 teams but in the end I'll never make it big in that. I played some street fighter with some of the best in America, but I'm still ultimately shit at that game. I'm decently skilled in a few other games, but that doesn't mean I'm destined to become pro.

In the same respects, getting high on the ladder might mean you're skilled, but it doesn't mean you'll make it at the top. I've been playing for a long ass time and with achievements better than yours (I wasn't playing competitive at the time of original IHL, TIHL or IHCS, but from every league since then I've mostly been there with quite a few top place finishes). I've still never broken into the very top of the DotA scene and there are still a lot of players better than me. Re-evaluate how you stand.

Now with that said, I'm not a divine being that makes your decisions for you. As I've outlined, your decision merely seems rash and immature and I'm trying to give you some perspective as to how being 'pro' really works. Anyone might indeed have the potential to become the next DeMoN if they go full-time. Who am I or anyone else to say otherwise? I think we'd all enjoy having someone like another day9 or tastosis in the esports community as evidenced by the support you're getting in this thread. I just think you need to think about it a bit more before you make that decision.

Toodles and tata~

The two times where I was actually good was when I was REALLY young in old IHL and back in HoN. The DcL days where back when I wasn't even caring enough to compete or play in DxDi or IHCS even though I was in both leagues. I've quit DotA 3 times for 1 year periods due to school and other personal reasons and hence y when I came back for DcL i was admittedly total shit.

Although in reality, a year or two of my time really won't cost me my future, the way I'm approaching this situation is admittedly suicidal. But honestly, I don't really care. It's my personal belief that if I take the game seriously that I will catch up. Current players use terms like "try hards" and stupid shit like that to discourage people from practicing for real but none of that matters to me. If I play for real I'll definitely catch up, if I think any other way I would fail.
Hell in my head
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#135
On December 11 2011 05:42 fy12345 wrote:
good for you man. I'm an engsci student myself graduating next june. Was engsci worth it? Absolutely not! Play your heart out bro, but when u realli want to get a job after you finish, transfer to indy ffs.


LOL, ill just go into energy option and troll there.
Hell in my head
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#136
On December 11 2011 06:53 Brood_Star wrote:
fuck it i'll make a post.

I'm at UofT engineering too and I'm some semi-pro DotA player on a team with the likes of MYM|PRIME|NATIONS|WINNER|USA|BuLba and OK|NIRVANA|AT|THE|INTERNATIONAL|UNiVeRsE.

I suggest you don't take leave. I don't know your reasons behind your decision, but it sounds rash and immature. You're in arguably the best program at a good university, so if you're doing as good as you say you are there should be no reason to drop it. Unless you're not or you don't find joy in what you're doing - the answer is not switch to DotA, but find something else. What else do you like doing besides "gaming and anime"? Most people enjoy those things, but enjoying it and having the dedication to go full-time and try and make a living off it are two very different things. What you want to do in life isn't just doing what makes you the happiest all the time.

Now with all the real-life shit out of the way, on to the DotA aspects.

I played you and eZ.Hunting in 1v1s a way long time ago, and I remember beating you. I remember playing you a couple times in TDAs and DCLs, and quite frankly you're what I lump into a category which basically consists of solo players who have the skill but not the mindset nor the insight to play on a team at a high level. You seem arrogant too. I can go on a list about my e-achievements and make them seem big and meaningful but at the end of the day they're not. I played with some well-known TF2 teams but in the end I'll never make it big in that. I played some street fighter with some of the best in America, but I'm still ultimately shit at that game. I'm decently skilled in a few other games, but that doesn't mean I'm destined to become pro.

In the same respects, getting high on the ladder might mean you're skilled, but it doesn't mean you'll make it at the top. I've been playing for a long ass time and with achievements better than yours (I wasn't playing competitive at the time of original IHL, TIHL or IHCS, but from every league since then I've mostly been there with quite a few top place finishes). I've still never broken into the very top of the DotA scene and there are still a lot of players better than me. Re-evaluate how you stand.

Now with that said, I'm not a divine being that makes your decisions for you. As I've outlined, your decision merely seems rash and immature and I'm trying to give you some perspective as to how being 'pro' really works. Anyone might indeed have the potential to become the next DeMoN if they go full-time. Who am I or anyone else to say otherwise? I think we'd all enjoy having someone like another day9 or tastosis in the esports community as evidenced by the support you're getting in this thread. I just think you need to think about it a bit more before you make that decision.

Toodles and tata~


oh btw, I trust your judgement. You play frequently with the top players. How good is Tarano, H4nni, and AngryTestie in comparison to other players? Ofc I'm having a hard time evaluating my skill because I've yet to play DotA seriously for so long so I only have HoN to count on. I considered Korok MB slightly better than me in terms of skill even though I raped him in HoN, he was new to the game.
Hell in my head
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
December 10 2011 22:30 GMT
#137
On December 11 2011 04:55 daytrippers wrote:
Yooo eternalenvy!! Its Vikingar/kunjen. We played a fuckload in DCL, until you went to some dumb asian dragon rpg or something. gogo EE!


LOL ITS YOU. I remember you being BOSS. Furious is playing Dota 2 atm if u want to play with him I'll pm you my face book.
Hell in my head
BuLba
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1585 Posts
December 10 2011 22:45 GMT
#138
well if you are so eager to be the best at one , why not finish your degree and just play dota as a hobby for now. Getting good grades in your course of study is a lot more ideal than attempting to be the best at a game that isnt just about your skill but 4 other individuals.

and i said "as much as sc2" ya u need some practice but not so much that you dedicate your whole life to playing the game.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
December 10 2011 22:52 GMT
#139
On December 11 2011 07:11 EternaLEnVy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 04:14 Eschaton wrote:
There is a whole world of possibilities under the umbrella of Math and Science. I started out in Radiation Health Physics / Nuclear Engineering and switched to Biochemistry & Biophysics in my 2nd year because I found something that did the opposite of crush my soul, even though it took a lot of work. I think you'd be keeping a lot more doors open by staying in school than by trying for a DOTA career. My 2c.


But the door I truly want won't be opened.


How do you know what you truly want.

You are barely 20, you haven't even finished college, or had a real job, or had a real life.

Your life has consisted of a video game and watching anime.

You don't know what you want. You need to leave your cocoon and get with reality before you decide to go further down the rabbit hole.
tpfkan
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
December 10 2011 22:54 GMT
#140
Dota isnt worth it. Risking so much on something that is based completely on 4 other people. If it were any other type of game I'd support
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
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