EPTGoing on "Leave" from University to play DotA 2 - Page 3
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Konaa
103 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:27 Kindream wrote: I'm pretty sure if you could smoke, drink, do crack and hire prostitutes all day with no consequences you would, that doesn't mean it's a good idea in the real world.Hurr-durr you should do school... hurr-durr you should be a responsible human being... where the fuck is the enjoyment of life in that. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:47 Ack1027 wrote: The way high level dota works is not in your favor. Most teams only recruit known players and its difficult to get on a known team just from solo play. Dota 2 does not really even have premier leagues right now, so it'd be hard to get known that way too. Canada doesn't have a good international team and north americas best teams have historically not lasted long. Incredibly talented people like fear and hit0mi had to go to international teams for stability. I doubt you will be as good as them even with practice. If you can't get a team that succeeds in major tournaments you won't even get 500 viewers. Dota is a team game, you can't do what you described in the op by yourself. So Basically if I'm good enough I'll be known, and make money. Thanks I knew that. I've also played with every single top player in NA and Hit0mi, who I considered to be a god, trained me for a week and then invited me to original IHL by ucross. I was rank top 30 within 2 months, Hit0mi was 15, fear was like 10 or something. Merlini first Col.Ezy 2nd. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 10 2011 12:46 madmandrit wrote: Do it, if you need a stream MOD ill be willing to help. Haters gonna hate. What do MODS do exactly? | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
Convince us why you think this is a good idea. If you can't put this down on paper, it's likely that you're talking out of your ass. What I don't get is why you would provide us with your irrelevant background when you could've simply asked, "How can I go around streaming with a low budget in an area whose ISP's overcharge?" It seems that a part of you is either unsure or acting like a kid who thinks he has made some tough decisions in his life. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:02 billy5000 wrote: You think you can transition to your engineering courses that easily after a couple of years if this doesn't work out? lol you seem to think that engineering is your back up plan when it should be the other way around. No, I'm not telling you that you should stay or leave your school. I'm just a bit offended that you could even possibly begin to underestimate the workload of becoming an engineer. for tryhards it might be impossible. for even moderately gifted people it's not a problem. the difficultly of university work is vastly overrepresented by people who have no scale and think that high school was anything other than a holding period to make sure you were sane enough to be allowed into a building without constant adult supervision. I dont know. I dont sit in second year and yell down how easy it is while Im just waiting to hit a brick wall. I already made it through and then I went on further than 90% of the rest of them were ever going anyway and that wasnt very hard either. the system is set up to be moderately challenging to average people and that basically holds true for engineering. most of the successful people I saw in Math/Science/Engineering were the hard workers anyway. people with no real innate ability but that simply possessed the ability to stick with something that almost anyone can learn with a bit of effort. | ||
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
Anyway you need upwards of 3mbps upstream to stream in HD... Anywhere upwards of 1mbps would be fine for streaming at say 480p with good quality encoding. (very important: this is upstream rates, usually the second value when ISPs discuss speeds, for example a low speed dsl connection would be 512/128kbps... A high speed dsl connection could be as fast as 22mbps/1mbps... Anything higher than that you need to start looking at fibre or a specialised isdn or cable connection.) Unfortunately I have no idea about Canadian internet plans and you Really should be doing your own research on this before even considering it. I also have no idea about what streaming sites are more viable for generating revenue, but either way, I wouldn't just expect to "make money" from streaming, but I'm sure you've realised this. I would just pick one to start with and go for it, you can always change what streaming site you are using later on. | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
No idea about your bandwidth though. In short, GL, HF. | ||
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omgbbq2
Canada169 Posts
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:58 EternaLEnVy wrote: So Basically if I'm good enough I'll be known, and make money. Thanks I knew that. I've also played with every single top player in NA and Hit0mi, who I considered to be a god, trained me for a week and then invited me to original IHL by ucross. I was rank top 30 within 2 months, Hit0mi was 15, fear was like 10 or something. Merlini first Col.Ezy 2nd. No, that's the reason high level DotA doesn't work in your favor. It matters less how good you are and more about the people that you know. You won't even get the chance to scrim with the people that will give you exposure unless you've been part of the scene for a long long time. As cool as this idea is, and as much as I've considered it myself, it just isn't feasible unless you're already integrated into the in-houses. I'm a second year engineering student at an equally difficult program to yours and I would highly suggest working through school and using your winter/summer breaks to test the waters, rather than jumping in immediately. Edit: Not saying this is a terrible idea or that your should drop it completely, just ease yourself in before going all out. There's plenty of top DotA talent that have balanced rigorous schools and high-level DotA at the same time (Merlini played till med school, Bulba's on track to do the same), I don't see why you can't | ||
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Kentakky
Sweden1272 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:35 red_b wrote: yo OP Imma give you the perspective of someone who's done the college thing and understands where you are coming from. I have 2 college degrees. One is an MA in a quantitative field from a top 25 program. I cant even get callbacks right now unless I apply to sell life insurance to dumb asses. I work part time as an RA and make, per week, less than you would streaming with 1,000 viewers. So all these undergrads who bought that shit their parents told them about college being the most important thing in life, well theyre wrong. College doesnt mean shit. Having parents with connections or going to a good enough school where you can get connections is the ONLY thing that matters right now. If you dont have that and you hate school, quit. I liked school, so I kept going. Dont listen to a bunch of kids who still have the blinders on, listen to your conscious and do what you want to do. You can always go back to school later, lots of people do. The people who are going to graduate, are going to graduate, it's just a matter of when. if you fail to make a living, you'll be just like them, except you wont have a college degree. But it wont matter, because you cant eat a college degree, you cant sleep in a college degree and now a days it doesnt even mean shit. I cant help you with streaming. What I can tell you though is that you'll need more dedication to streaming that you have demonstrated that you have for school. I cant judge if you do or not, only you will know. To quote Dead Prez "School is like a 12-step brainwash camp, they make you think if you drop out you ain't got a chance to advance in life" I dropped out and I have a better job than all my mates who's done the school thing where I'm happy and make enough money from. Do what you want to do but know your limitations when to stop and go back. I hope it goes well for you OP I don't know much about streaming so can't help you there, I usually prefer Twitch.tv but recently Own3d been working pretty good at this Kiev tournament so quite happy with that atm. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:20 skipgamer wrote: Wow at all the posts about what the OP stated he specifically did not was not interested in hearing, why do people just shit on anything that is not "normal" to them? Anyway you need upwards of 3mbps upstream to stream in HD... Anywhere upwards of 1mbps would be fine for streaming at say 480p with good quality encoding. I have no idea about plans in Canada nor what streaming sites are more viable for generating revenue, but either way, I wouldn't just expect to "make money" from streaming, but I'm sure you've realised this. I would just pick one to start with and go for it, you can always change what streaming site you are using later on. Because he asked for it. You don't start a technical discussion with a controversial love story. Skip the tragedy if it might interfere with what you're trying to get. red_b, I see what you're saying. But for most people, it's going to be hard going back to a university, continuing where they left off. And I may have been wrong to assume this, but he sounds more like someone who's been discouraged by the workload the university forced him into, and he's just trying finding an alternate career path. Or even addicted to gaming. IDK, but if there's one thing I'd like to know, it's "WHY YOU WOULD MENTION SOMETHING SO IRRELEVANT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ACTUAL PROBLEM?" It just feels suspicious. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10363 Posts
Some people fit 2-3 commercials between sc2 games cus ladder takes a while to find. 45 minutes to find a game pick and play? I'm guessing it's that high cus u'r so good. Perhaps if u get a nice following and they (dota players) understand that it's hard to find a game, you can warn them to turn down their volumes and so you can play continuous commercials until it's time to play (tho u'll keep needing to send commercials, but u could get a LOT of money). Also I'm sure your $0.02 is wrong. 2 cents times 1000 viewers is $20. I remember it is either $0.002 or $0.001, which would be $2 or $1 respectively. If you can have 100 viewers and have them stay during 40 minutes of 80 commercials, you can get $16 in that time. If you keep on even 50 viewers (should be realistic) then you get $8 which is pretty good considering it's stable and streaming profit is a new thing anyways so it's like "extra" money. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:33 Ognam wrote: No, that's the reason high level DotA doesn't work in your favor. It matters less how good you are and more about the people that you know. You won't even get the chance to scrim with the people that will give you exposure unless you've been part of the scene for a long long time. As cool as this idea is, and as much as I've considered it myself, it just isn't feasible unless you're already integrated into the in-houses. I'm a second year engineering student at an equally difficult program to yours and I would highly suggest working through school and using your winter/summer breaks to test the waters, rather than jumping in immediately. Edit: Not saying this is a terrible idea or that your should drop it completely, just ease yourself in before going all out. There's plenty of top DotA talent that have balanced rigorous schools and high-level DotA at the same time (Merlini played till med school, Bulba's on track to do the same), I don't see why you can't There's no such thing as in-house in DotA 1, people just play league all day. I can get into these leagues fairly easily because I'm well known in the NA community. Regardless of me being well known for being good or not, I'm well known for being at least GOOD ENOUGH to play with them. The activity of top players is not nearly as high as you think, to start a dota game with top players takes a fucking year. That's why leagues exist. Also, if you are good enough you will get to play for a team, regardless of how long you've been on the scene. They care about skill more. Power.NET was fucking terrible back when I was playing DotA, I carried him every game, now hes considered the top player in NA by almost all the pro players. He got into a team fairly fast. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:45 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: anime ftw Some people fit 2-3 commercials between sc2 games cus ladder takes a while to find. 45 minutes to find a game pick and play? I'm guessing it's that high cus u'r so good. Perhaps if u get a nice following and they (dota players) understand that it's hard to find a game, you can warn them to turn down their volumes and so you can play continuous commercials until it's time to play (tho u'll keep needing to send commercials, but u could get a LOT of money). Also I'm sure your $0.02 is wrong. 2 cents times 1000 viewers is $20. I remember it is either $0.002 or $0.001, which would be $2 or $1 respectively. If you can have 100 viewers and have them stay during 40 minutes of 80 commercials, you can get $16 in that time. If you keep on even 50 viewers (should be realistic) then you get $8 which is pretty good considering it's stable and streaming profit is a new thing anyways so it's like "extra" money. thanks, that was just a typo, i did fix it. 45minutes is too long for a game really? Don't Pubs usually last like 40minutes with picks? | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:50 -Trippin- wrote: Be intelligent and see how much you can improve over about a month. Take a term off or something and if you don't have great results after one term of pure DotA, then go back to school. I was thinking 1 year. I really don't think one term is enough to grasp the potential of $ in the scene. Espiecially because the games not out yet. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
I mean if I realize that I'm not doing well enough in gaming, I'm sure it's not gonna be a last minute thing. If I decide 1 month before school starts I can always start reviewing things then. Also I don't really think it will take me much time to review concepts, and all I probably have to do is practice some math for like 2 weeks. | ||
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