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On December 10 2011 14:58 EternaLEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:47 Ack1027 wrote:
The way high level dota works is not in your favor. Most teams only recruit known players and its difficult to get on a known team just from solo play. Dota 2 does not really even have premier leagues right now, so it'd be hard to get known that way too. Canada doesn't have a good international team and north americas best teams have historically not lasted long. Incredibly talented people like fear and hit0mi had to go to international teams for stability. I doubt you will be as good as them even with practice. If you can't get a team that succeeds in major tournaments you won't even get 500 viewers. Dota is a team game, you can't do what you described in the op by yourself. So Basically if I'm good enough I'll be known, and make money. Thanks I knew that. I've also played with every single top player in NA and Hit0mi, who I considered to be a god, trained me for a week and then invited me to original IHL by ucross. I was rank top 30 within 2 months, Hit0mi was 15, fear was like 10 or something. Merlini first Col.Ezy 2nd.
That wasn't my point but ok. There are glaring inconsistencies in how you portray your skill. Your op says you are rank 2 dotacash tier 2 but any dimwit could tell you that doesn't mean anything. Why wouldn't you say you played with some of NAs top players from the beginning?
However, EVEN ignoring all of that what is the point of this thread? You seem to be clearly convinced you're better than americas current best, and you want to know if owned or twitched makes you more money....something you can easily google. You say you don't need money for two years so why ask, mcdonalds pays more than dendi gets so why do you think you'd outstream him?
Anything regarding streaming would go into the tech section, which there already havebeen numerous guides on. So the only unique question you are asking is bandwidth caps regarding streaming in canada.
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Well, I'm a fellow Canadian and I can, certainly say ISPs here certainly blow. There are the smaller ISPs around that don't have bandwidth caps or they're mind-blowjngly high. Although ou so have that contract =\ can't really help with the technical aspects. However I do remeber you back while you played for DWi in HoN! IIRC Tarano was there too and he's playing DotA2 now though he's not on a team.
I can't say I completely support relying on streaming as your sole source of income, it's not the most reliable. However, good-luck! Hope to see you on some joindota stream kicking ass in a tournament! I origionally played hon and seeing hon players do well like mouz's team makesh me happeh ^^.
I'm probably nowhere close to your skill level if your anything close to what you used to be but if you want to play some games I'll be up for it! PM me if you want  I'm decent at least understand the game though still getting used to how DotAs so much more push oriented than HoN.
Edit: also what the guy on the first page meant about mod is just the moderator on your stream that bans/shutsup dem hayers and spammers.
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On December 10 2011 12:22 Markwerf wrote:
This was quite an obnoxious read.
You seem to be quite the narcistic character, confidence is one thing but having it too much is just annoying.
Also the others are right, you should never leave school for gaming unless you are already having success at that moment. It's a terrible choice to leave school with the expectation that you will do well and make enough money with streaming. If you don't like your education, go do something else or finish it and then go do something else but this entire plan is just rediculous.
This bragging about engsci is also just plain annoying
i agree with markwerf. all the most popular streamers attract viewers because of their personality and the tone of the OP comes off more like a plea for attention or appreciation. listen to the advice of people in this thread and don't take school for granted, especially if you're doing well.
you're free to do whatever you please but be prepared for a massive letdown when people don't show up to your opera.
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If you're quitting school because you want to pursue pro DotA, that's fine.
If you're quitting school because you think you can make money streaming, don't waste your time. Until you become known, you'll be lucky to get 100 viewers on a good day, and even once you do become known I don't think there's a good way to play commercials due to the game length as you stated. If you play commercials 3 times during your games, people aren't going to want to watch your stream. Also, your math is off. It's $8/1k viewers who DO NOT have adblock. Guess what though? 75% of viewers have adblock, so you actually need 4k viewers to make that kind of money. It's just not feasible to make a living this way.
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Just go for it, if you fail you fail. But wheres the fun in not trying and second guessing yourself everytime you hear Dota2.
You guessed it..... THAT WOULDNT BE FUN. That would actually suck come to think of it.
Don't let the scared people drag you down. I mean I wouldn't do it cause I suck at them interwebs games, but your obviously good, so give it a shot.
Worst that could happen is you don't make it, then you'd have to be a engineer, what a drag that would be. They'd shove that 60k down your throat too whether you tried to work for free or not.
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I think people forget that there are 10,000 other people with this exact same idea, what makes you think you are any different? Skill? Like I said out of those 10,000 people half are probably more skilled than you, know more people and still can't make it as a pro gamer.
Lets look at this realistically.
Unless you are 1 in a million like destiny (statistically you aren't) you would make more money working a part time janitor job at a government building 3 days a week for 8 hours. I mean do what you want, just realize it's going to fail, the chances of it succeeding are so low that anyone can realistically say it is not possible and 99% of the time they will be right. I don't care if you quit school or shoot a guy in the face to get in jail so you can play DotA all day, that's your business, but fact of the matter is
1) Becoming a pro gamer amongst the hundreds of thousands of people trying is next to impossible
2) Even if you are pro you aren't guarunteed streamers, Rain only has 50 right now and its prime time.
3) Even if you do get streamers unless you have over 2k consistently you are making sweatshop money
4) Pro gaming is not a lucrative career and its much harder work than the majority of actual jobs.
Good luck though man but you will fail : /.
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I'm not going to hate like some of the others, but I am going to question why you made this thread in the first place.
These questions you posted are things you can find by searching TL or searching the internet blindfolded. You may blame finals for taking your time in researching but that just tells me you haven't taken the time to think about your HUGE commitment to quit school for a bit and go into gaming.
I'm sorry, but as far as I can see in the OP, all I see is bragging about how good you are to the TL Dota 2 community. You could've simply asked these questions without any of this bragging. If no one can "change your mind", then just go do it and stop posting in here.
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On December 10 2011 16:35 Nub4ever wrote:Well, I'm a fellow Canadian and I can, certainly say ISPs here certainly blow. There are the smaller ISPs around that don't have bandwidth caps or they're mind-blowjngly high. Although ou so have that contract =\ can't really help with the technical aspects. However I do remeber you back while you played for DWi in HoN! IIRC Tarano was there too and he's playing DotA2 now though he's not on a team. I can't say I completely support relying on streaming as your sole source of income, it's not the most reliable. However, good-luck! Hope to see you on some joindota stream kicking ass in a tournament! I origionally played hon and seeing hon players do well like mouz's team makesh me happeh ^^. I'm probably nowhere close to your skill level if your anything close to what you used to be but if you want to play some games I'll be up for it! PM me if you want I'm decent at least understand the game though still getting used to how DotAs so much more push oriented than HoN. Edit: also what the guy on the first page meant about mod is just the moderator on your stream that bans/shutsup dem hayers and spammers.
Oh, I intend to win tournaments. I don't love games because the game itself is fun, I love it for the competition. If I at anytime where to be discouraged, then that's when my purpose in pursuing this path is lost. I plan to win, and nothing else will be satisfactory.
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Ok so I changed the OP to contain less information. Though I'm keeping my history at least in MOBA because I want people to be able to compare me with other streamers such as H4NNI AND Testie from HoN who were around my skill level.
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On December 10 2011 17:47 0oZe wrote:
I'm not going to hate like some of the others, but I am going to question why you made this thread in the first place.
These questions you posted are things you can find by searching TL or searching the internet blindfolded. You may blame finals for taking your time in researching but that just tells me you haven't taken the time to think about your HUGE commitment to quit school for a bit and go into gaming.
I'm sorry, but as far as I can see in the OP, all I see is bragging about how good you are to the TL Dota 2 community. You could've simply asked these questions without any of this bragging. If no one can "change your mind", then just go do it and stop posting in here.
The reason as to why I'm being carefree in terms of streaming is because I've noticed that other Canadians stream so there shouldn't be a limitation that is impossible to overcome.
There are other good reasons as to why I posted this other than getting emotional support in doing this. Not only did people help me with some of the questions I asked (through PM etc as well), but also they shed new light on other things I possibly can worry about (which is one of the main reasons as to why I posted this).
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Good luck. I got my engineering degree and know how draining it can be. 2nd year was the worst for me and I hear the program you are in is a couple classes harder than what I was doing. I don't see why people think it is so hard to go back to school. I'm sure you do a lot more math and that is probably the hardest thing to get caught up on (or maybe the civil stuff). And if you can afford to take the time off then money probably isn't an issue. You'll make enough money in engineering anyway and you have the rest of your life to do it.
I'm jealous, I want to play dota fulltime too, but I don't think my wife would like it. So let me know your channel and I'll try to live vicariously through you.
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Heya,
I recommend you check this thread out:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584
It should answer all your questions about upload speed, what CPU is recommended, basically everything you need to know about setting up an good, quality stream.
Also I wish you best of luck, and don't forget to post your stream in that DOTA 2 stream compilation thread.
Best regards,
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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=292871
extremely relelvant^ if already posted then sorry.
Honestly, good luck to you, but it's going to be a very very hard path for you. Streaming does not and will not make you money unless you somehow get the popularity either through a super charismatic personality or incredible, raw skill. Breaking into the MOBA pro scene in general is not easy at all, simply because you need a team in order to make a name for yourself. This means not only do you have to be damn good, but you need to know four other people who are willing to play with you who are also damn good.
Good luck.
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dota doesn't have the streaming potential that starcraft has unfortunately. not nearly as many people are willing to sit around for an entire 50 minute game watching a player they have never heard of.
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1st. you need to be a partner before you even make money, so you need hundreds of viewers regularly just to get to that status
2nd. go ahead take leave of school, we could all use a break every now and then just be sure to go back. people who say "stay in school always or you'll be a bum blah blah blah" are just taking everything too seriously do what you think you can be happy doing, like me, minimum wage job and gaming while taking a break from school to get back on my feet after some hard times and I can honestly say I've never felt better in my life
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i would wait until you have a team that you're content with and a sponsor willing to send you to china
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Have played with OP several times in hon, can vouch that he's sick good. GL with your endeavors bro, ill be rooting for you.
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Not sure if it was mentioned but your best bet in Canada is Teksavvy with the their extreme-cable you could stream at 480p. If things are working out then maybe you can contact them and upgrade to a business plan for faster speeds. It is unlimited upload/download.
Actually, their high speed dsl offers 7 mpb upload which should be enough for 1080p, but it has a 300 GB cap.
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Dawg follow your dreams, it'll all work out in the end
P.S. You know KiwiKid???
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EternalEnvy eh, i still remember you as Sp[i]rit from like 2005 dota =). Going pro eh, good luck noob =).
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