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Going on "Leave" from University to play DotA 2 - Page 17
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
It might not make sense know, but the investment will pay off later | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On December 13 2011 16:44 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Well it's the same as any MLG report. You can divide whatever number they give you by 100 because that's probably the amount of times each individual person has to refresh. Thats not how concurrents work. | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:26 FinestHour wrote: Its possible to balance both serious gaming and school. Many people have done it not @ UT ENGSCI. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
There are people with equally difficult courseloads who studied while playing high level DotA. It's possible. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:39 Ognam wrote: There are people with equally difficult courseloads who studied while playing high level DotA. It's possible. I felt like it's pointless to convey how difficult this program is because people will just assume I'm being arrogant and leave it at that. But since a lot of people keep telling me its possible, I'll try to convey the idea of this program anyway. University of Toronto is top 13 Engineering Schools in the world. University of Tokyo, known as one of the most retardedly hard schools, is only 1 rank above UofT usually. Now Electrical Engineering is considered one of the hardest most time consuming engineering courses there is. ECEs have 4 calculus courses in there first two years, their last one finishes up with the divergence theorem or vector calculus. Engineering Science on the other hand completes vector calculus by early October of second year. Not only that, but they are required to know the proofs and take time learning random things such as Completeness of Axiom Theorem (CORA), and spend an entire week learning the proof for all continuous functions are integrable. We essentially are required to learn things at twice the rate of ECEs. Not only do our courses go at around twice the speed of ECE but we also have an extra course on them. The biggest problem with this course for myself is that it requires quite a bit of diversity. Since this course is an accelerated program that tries to teach you ALL fields of engineering at once, you are required to learn Civil, Biology, ECE, Mech, and policy/social/english shit all at once. Even if you can learn math/physics fast, you will just end up dedicating your free time to the course you suck at. A lot of geniuses are attracted to this program. They may be able to do this program and still have free time but for a retarded person like myself who was still called a "genius" in high school (had a 95 average, with 84 in English) needs to dedicate quite a lot of time to achieve a good mark. It may be possible for me to scrape by with a high 60 or low 70 and still play the game but why do that? If I were to continue school why not just take the year off and come back and get a better grade instead? I really hope people don't take this the wrong way, this is the truth, and that is all. If someone wants to say that mb I should just stick in school because clearly I'm not talented if I can't do both at once then you can go ahead and blindly say that. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:39 Ognam wrote: There are people with equally difficult courseloads who studied while playing high level DotA. It's possible. I would also like to add that it's retarded logic to think that just because one person can do school and be a top player at once means that anyone who cannot do that should not be a pro gamer. | ||
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spacefarm
United States112 Posts
I really don't see the harm in trying it our for a year and most likely after one year if you are sensible you will return to school. You are a smart guy, statistically the esports route prolly aint gonna work lol, but it will be fun to say you gave it a shot! | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:57 EternaLEnVy wrote: I felt like it's pointless to convey how difficult this program is because people will just assume I'm being arrogant and leave it at that. But since a lot of people keep telling me its possible, I'll try to convey the idea of this program anyway. University of Toronto is top 13 Engineering Schools in the world. University of Tokyo, known as one of the most retardedly hard schools, is only 1 rank above UofT usually. Now Electrical Engineering is considered one of the hardest most time consuming engineering courses there is. ECEs have 4 calculus courses in there first two years, their last one finishes up with the divergence theorem or vector calculus. Engineering Science on the other hand completes vector calculus by early October of second year. Not only that, but they are required to know the proofs and take time learning random things such as Completeness of Axiom Theorem (CORA), and spend an entire week learning the proof for all continuous functions are integrable. We essentially are required to learn things at twice the rate of ECEs. Not only do our courses go at around twice the speed of ECE but we also have an extra course on them. The biggest problem with this course for myself is that it requires quite a bit of diversity. Since this course is an accelerated program that tries to teach you ALL fields of engineering at once, you are required to learn Civil, Biology, ECE, Mech, and policy/social/english shit all at once. Even if you can learn math/physics fast, you will just end up dedicating your free time to the course you suck at. A lot of geniuses are attracted to this program. They may be able to do this program and still have free time but for a retarded person like myself who was still called a "genius" in high school (had a 95 average, with 84 in English) needs to dedicate quite a lot of time to achieve a good mark. It may be possible for me to scrape by with a high 60 or low 70 and still play the game but why do that? If I were to continue school why not just take the year off and come back and get a better grade instead? I really hope people don't take this the wrong way, this is the truth, and that is all. If someone wants to say that mb I should just stick in school because clearly I'm not talented if I can't do both at once then you can go ahead and blindly say that. TOP 13 WOW! Everyone should shut the fuck up. I'm in princeton's physics department, #1 physics dept, we do vector calculus freshman year except that almost all physics majors already did it in high school and take multivariate analysis or number theory classes instead. I don't go around swinging a big dick because I know theres kids out there smarter than I am and harder-working than i am. If you don't think you can do both then don't, but don't make this about how hard your program is, because bitches aint shit. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:18 spacefarm wrote: Yeah I honestly don't see how anybody thinks someone can do both school and an esport at a high level. Getting good grades and an esport at a high level MIGHT be possible, but certainly not the way I approach academics. I can never study enough for a class because to truly understand the material it takes insane hours for a difficult subject. I mean at a level beyond getting a good mark. I really don't see the harm in trying it our for a year and most likely after one year if you are sensible you will return to school. You are a smart guy, statistically the esports route prolly aint gonna work lol, but it will be fun to say you gave it a shot! For DotA at least, it's really not that difficult. Top tier DotA players outside of China practice so little compared to their RTS counterparts that's there's almost no time commitment outside of playing tournament matches. The mechanics of DotA simply don't require you to practice that much and the emphasis is much more on experience and teamplay. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
Pretty sure JianFei was UT engineering (don't remember if it was Eng sci or some other), and he was at some point top 3 BW player in North America. So.. it's obviously possible. | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
TOP 13 WOW! Everyone should shut the fuck up. I'm in princeton's physics department, #1 physics dept, we do vector calculus freshman year except that almost all physics majors already did it in high school and take multivariate analysis or number theory classes instead. I don't go around swinging a big dick because I know theres kids out there smarter than I am and harder-working than i am. If you don't think you can do both then don't, but don't make this about how hard your program is, because bitches aint shit.. lol , well its not actually top 13, but higher, and every year it fluctuates. When i entered, it was ranked 7th. No doubt you are in a very prestigious department, but you must realize there is a difference. Where you are at is really hard to get in, and from what I am guessing, a lot will survive as curriculum 'makes sense' and you guys are generally geniuses from the get go (as in frosh year). UofT engineering is a bit different. They take in a lot of students and intentionally weed out half the people from the start... which I don't understand. Hence, the curriculum is a nonsensibly difficult, where only incredible geniuses are fit to survive and all the 'smart' people who were getting 90's in 'good' highschools are struggling to even keep up. As for me, when i entered, there were over 620 people in my program. After 3rd year, there were 280 left, and that is adding a bunch of people who have transfered from another program called Track 1. Therefore, UofT engineering is considered by many (and I have read discussions and spoke with fellow engineers from the states) one of the hardest stupitedly ridiculous first 2-3 years. 4th year is quiet a breeze in comparison. | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:24 teamsolid wrote: Pretty sure JianFei was UT engineering (don't remember if it was Eng sci or some other), and he was at some point top 3 BW player in North America. So.. it's obviously possible. No, JF is in Chem Engineering, which is mutha****ng hella easier than Ensci and ECE, although quiet heavy course load, and he pretty much doesnt play games from what I know... He's not very good at SC2 it seems. So, in UofT engi, its one or the other. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:57 EternaLEnVy wrote: I felt like it's pointless to convey how difficult this program is because people will just assume I'm being arrogant and leave it at that. But since a lot of people keep telling me its possible, I'll try to convey the idea of this program anyway. University of Toronto is top 13 Engineering Schools in the world. University of Tokyo, known as one of the most retardedly hard schools, is only 1 rank above UofT usually. Now Electrical Engineering is considered one of the hardest most time consuming engineering courses there is. ECEs have 4 calculus courses in there first two years, their last one finishes up with the divergence theorem or vector calculus. Engineering Science on the other hand completes vector calculus by early October of second year. Not only that, but they are required to know the proofs and take time learning random things such as Completeness of Axiom Theorem (CORA), and spend an entire week learning the proof for all continuous functions are integrable. We essentially are required to learn things at twice the rate of ECEs. Not only do our courses go at around twice the speed of ECE but we also have an extra course on them. The biggest problem with this course for myself is that it requires quite a bit of diversity. Since this course is an accelerated program that tries to teach you ALL fields of engineering at once, you are required to learn Civil, Biology, ECE, Mech, and policy/social/english shit all at once. Even if you can learn math/physics fast, you will just end up dedicating your free time to the course you suck at. A lot of geniuses are attracted to this program. They may be able to do this program and still have free time but for a retarded person like myself who was still called a "genius" in high school (had a 95 average, with 84 in English) needs to dedicate quite a lot of time to achieve a good mark. It may be possible for me to scrape by with a high 60 or low 70 and still play the game but why do that? If I were to continue school why not just take the year off and come back and get a better grade instead? I really hope people don't take this the wrong way, this is the truth, and that is all. If someone wants to say that mb I should just stick in school because clearly I'm not talented if I can't do both at once then you can go ahead and blindly say that. I think you're vastly overrating the difficulty of your courseload. I'm in a top 12 biomedical engineering program and I'd be perfectly comfortable with trying to make it big in DotA and succeed in school at the same time. In fact I'm planning on trying it. You really don't need to drop out to do it, especially since you're actually talented at DotA. Learn to balance your time. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Set a very specific goal and adhere to it. How long are you going let this pan out? How much do you value this opportunity, in both time and money. Are you going to finish this particular degree regardless or would you consider taking an easier degree to allow you to continue playing while finishing school? Also as an fyi, you have 9 years to complete your degree from time of first enrolment before UofT quashes it (specifically the EngSci one). | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:54 Ognam wrote: 4I think you're vastly overrating the difficulty of your courseload. I'm in a top 12 biomedical engineering program and I'd be perfectly comfortable with trying to make it big in DotA and succeed in school at the same time. In fact I'm planning on trying it. You really don't need to drop out to do it, especially since you're actually talented at DotA. Learn to balance your time. I guess everyone is the same innately and should be able to do whatever you can do. w/e, I can't argue with anyone who believes that. | ||
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n0tjack
8 Posts
Despite any of that, I don't know what your life is like outside of Dota 2, but whatever it seems like right now, you'll eventually not be happy with living in a lonely apartment on your own. It's a lot sooner than you would think too. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:55 EternaLEnVy wrote: 4 I guess everyone is the same innately and should be able to do whatever you can do. w/e, I can't argue with anyone who believes that. You said you're doing fairly well in the program, so I don't see why you keep insisting you're not smart/talented enough to balance both. DotA really isn't that big of a time commitment. You're better than me in DotA and doing roughly the same school-wise so you're even better off than I am for trying this. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:37 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: UofT engineering is a bit different. . no it actually isn't. | ||
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Xialos
Canada508 Posts
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