[Interview] GSL2 Ro16 Winner of Zenio vs IdrA - Page 5

On October 30 2010 02:08 lowercase wrote:
Wait, I didn't see the game. Did Idra gg out or rage quit?

On October 30 2010 02:22 Choirdrunk wrote:
Sorta weird to be saying this on TL, but a lot of people here are forgetting the community element to SC ... especially in South Korea. When you BM someone on B.Net (and IdrA isn't exactly playing scrubs when he ladders) you're probably BMing someone that is a friend of a pro-gamer, practice n00b of a pro-gamer or a pro-gamer. Unlike in North America, where the community of top notch players isn't as vast or inter-related, in Korea, more of these people actually know each other on some level.

If someone disses my buddy from school or cousin or some guy I went to a ball game with and we got along, and everyone is saying that guy is a dick, that dude becomes an enemy, or at the very least a guy I view with suspiscion. Beating him becomes a communal reason for celebration.

This just goes to my bigger problem with IdrA. He clearly has the ambition to be great and he clearly puts a lot of thought into the game but, and I know this isn't the criticism most people have of him, but I'm not sure he's smart enough to be really great.

I'm not referring to his general demeanor. Despite all his echo-chamber assiduous imba whining with Artosis, I genuinely believe he calms himself down and introspects as to his play, regardless of the patch number he is on. But the imba whining and BM is indicative of a dude that would rather win now then become the best. If he was really focused on *just being the best* he'd recognize that he needs to get in with a community of really talented players, win their respect, trade ideas and strategies as equals, and use his superior passion, motivation and execution to whup some ass.

Instead BM supposedly "just proves he cares a lot". No it doesn't, it proves he doesn't care enough and isn't bright enough to figure out that BM is a negative EV proposition.

I know IdrA is our great foreign hope and has been for a long time. And I root for him like most of us on TL. But he's not what he could be. And, given that its been so many years, I don't think its rational for us to think he'll be anything more than he is now. I hope he is. I hope he takes this insult from Zenio and reflects on his person and what it means to incite this sort of emotion instead of just taking it as an insult. But, if history is any guide, personal introspection and behavorial adaption aren't his forte.

On October 30 2010 02:48 TheAntZ wrote:


Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.

On October 30 2010 02:54 Choirdrunk wrote:


Ever been a fan of a sports team? It's the exact same thing except SC involves logic, game theory, math, introspection, practice, and the theoretical opportunity for a normal guy to succeed even if he isn't born 6'6 and 300 lbs or with the ability to run a 4.4 40.

Is rooting for a sports team the most productive use of a person's time? No. Is discussing whether Giselle is ruining both the Patriots and Tom Brady's hair really a mature topic? No. Is it fun? Yes.

Since you have over 4100 posts I'm actually a bit surprised to hear anti-obsession talk coming from you. "Oh, but dudes, I talk about Starcraft stuff that matters!!!" ... yeah, ok there tiger.

On October 30 2010 02:58 Zyban wrote:
...lets face it if these guys meet again its ON-LIKE-DONKEY-KONG! WP Zenio