Q: How do you feel about beating IdrA? A: I think it’s very hard to win ZvZ with standard strategies. So I choose all-in and it works. So glad I won.
Q: You have guaranteed an S seed. A: I’m very happy. Now it’s time to move higher. I won’t be satisfied. I will grab the chance and achieve more.
Q: You used corruption in the first game. A: It was once popular. Then most players went for mutalisk instead. But now ZvZ is all about roaches, corruption is back on fire.
Q: You only practice ZvZ recently. Are you confident now? A: Still need work on macro, more practice helps.
Q: ZvZ in Starcraft 2 is so different from that in Broodwar, right? A: There are more strategies in SC2. Every unit has its advantage and disadvantage, so scouting is very important. There are more late games because who plays more defensively has more advantage.
Q: Your ceremony is making buzz.
A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.
Original Korean <> English Translation (by Milkis)
이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다. ▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.
▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.
Q: Your next opponent could be NesTea or TheWind. A: ZvZ is my worst matchup. I think I can make the semi-finals if I prepare well. It must be fun to challenge my teammate TheWind.
am I the only one that is bothered by the use of the word ceremony, I understand that its the direct translation from Korean, but the word ceremony in english carries so a lot of connotations that don't really seem to fit, namely repetition, and formality. Its much more of a celebration
Grats to zenio, I'm still impressed about how far Idra got
Lol he has an entire team to help him practice with and Idra only had Artosis.Idra needs a good korean team to practice with cause he wont be able to do more cause i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
I hope bad blood does develop between these guys so we can be entertained when they meet again someday in a future tournament and there is even more on the line than advancing through the tourney!!
Grudges and rivalries make for exciting (e)sports!
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention. A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
I still don't know if he deserves something of that magnitude. Of course, most of us wouldn't know the severity of his attitude but somehow I don't feel like it's really that bad?
I don't want to take away from Zenio's victory but even though it was a 1v1 game, on the outside idra seemed to be outnumbered by a decent margin.
On October 30 2010 00:26 Looky wrote: zenio bming doesnt make him any better than idra
Maybe not, but it's much better to be know as the dude who doesn't start shit but will end it.
Personally I love both Idra and Zenio's antics. It's entertaining and really not a big deal if you're not super-sensitive. As long as Zenio doesn't touch Idra I'm all good with it. If you don't like "physical" ceremonies then I suggest you avoid all professional competitions.
All this "he BM and than he did a worse BM but the BM was justified!!" talk is so childish can't believe grown up people are talking about this....
GG to Zenio the games where awesome 8at least game 1) and i hope Idra gets to practice with some more skilled people instead of laddering all the time which doesn't really seem to further his game.
On October 30 2010 00:30 lynx.oblige wrote: I still don't know if he deserves something of that magnitude. Of course, most of us wouldn't know the severity of his attitude but somehow I don't feel like it's really that bad?
I don't want to take away from Zenio's victory but even though it was a 1v1 game, on the outside idra seemed to be outnumbered by a decent margin.
we already know that Idra doesn't get the quality practice because his teammates are not up to par but what could Zenio have done? he's not going to practice by himself just because Idra doesn't have quality practice partners Zenio did everything in his power to win the match and consulting with teammates is fair it's really up to Idra to find better practice partners
wow, i really lost respect to zenio now. what a lousy behavior. thats just pathetic. idra is not SO good, that he should be so joyful winning against him. he's not flash or JD
On October 30 2010 00:38 SkytoM wrote: wow, i really lost respect to zenio now. what a lousy behavior. thats just pathetic. idra is not SO good, that he should be so joyful winning against him. he's not flash or JD
I agree. Again, a vast majority of us don't know what's really going on but from the looks of it Zenio was being extravagant.
The difference between Idra BM and Zenio BM is that the latter didn't make a name for himself through BM around the world, while Idra is known to be BM to Europeans, Asians and Americans. Can't believe people try to compare them.
I also believe that Zenio got further pumped by his oGs team-mates who probably all were BMed or flamed by Idra at this or that stage of game. I would think if oGsGon won that game, he would have done something similar. So it is not surprising to see this from Zenio, probably his teammates influenced a lot, too.
It's funny that there's no comment from TL guys over there, like TLO and Jinro. I can totally understand that they don't want to get into this shit, but they probably know that Idra deserves this for his trash-talking.
On October 30 2010 00:26 Looky wrote: zenio bming doesnt make him any better than idra
Maybe not, but it's much better to be know as the dude who doesn't start shit but will end it.
Personally I love both Idra and Zenio's antics. It's entertaining and really not a big deal if you're not super-sensitive. As long as Zenio doesn't touch Idra I'm all good with it. If you don't like "physical" ceremonies then I suggest you avoid all professional competitions.
pretending you wanna backhand someone is not a ceremony.
On October 30 2010 00:35 awu25 wrote: we already know that Idra doesn't get the quality practice because his teammates are not up to par but what could Zenio have done?
Why doesn't Idra have some quality practice partners? He's lived there for a long time and must have made a lot of friends there already? I think even TLO and Loner have got many top players to practice with, right?
On October 30 2010 00:26 Looky wrote: zenio bming doesnt make him any better than idra
Maybe not, but it's much better to be know as the dude who doesn't start shit but will end it.
Personally I love both Idra and Zenio's antics. It's entertaining and really not a big deal if you're not super-sensitive. As long as Zenio doesn't touch Idra I'm all good with it. If you don't like "physical" ceremonies then I suggest you avoid all professional competitions.
pretending you wanna backhand someone is not a ceremony.
On October 30 2010 00:35 awu25 wrote: we already know that Idra doesn't get the quality practice because his teammates are not up to par but what could Zenio have done?
Why doesn't Idra have some quality practice partners? He's lived there for a long time and must have made a lot of friends there already? I think even TLO and Loner have got many top players to practice with, right?
There must be a reason for that.
i was referring to the team he's on EG doesn't have many quality players while oGs has a ton of people in the GSL
Idra's the biggest shit talker around, he's also been very vocal about how he feels BM adds to the interest of the game and that he wishes the Koreans showed more personality.
I can't believe people are getting offended on Idra's behalf over a harmless win celebration.
It had to happen one day. Zenio,s reaction was gonna happen either way, whether it was this game or another where Idra would lose.
Idra got what he himself created by BMing people.
you think that nobody would react when he says how players suck, that he gets no challenge and how they are only good because they use terran, etc? One way or another it would of happened.
It might be a slap in da face for Idra, I just hope he will learn from this and respect others now
Wasn`t it mentioned by Artosis that beating Idra in the GSL is some sort of trophy hunting for the Koreans. Guess there must be a justified reason for Zenio`s gesture.
On October 30 2010 00:44 Jombozeus wrote: For context, IdrA BM'ed the entire oGs team. oGsGon has stated that sometime before, correct me if I'm wrong.
You dont go to someone's country, diss their best pro-team, and expect not to get retaliated.
Idra must be fuming at Zenio flopping his arms around. Now that's what I call a diss.
On October 30 2010 00:44 Jombozeus wrote: For context, IdrA BM'ed the entire oGs team. oGsGon has stated that sometime before, correct me if I'm wrong.
You dont go to someone's country, diss their best pro-team, and expect not to get retaliated.
Exactly. Idra BMed multiple times the Werra team as well on here, in the most inappropriate threads like the sexual harassment stuff.
So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
I think it's good that some people remind our "great white hope" that humility doesn't hurt.
Idra gets what he seeds, and really I won't cry on his loss.
Am I the only one who sees Zenio being happy, rather than Zenio being BM? It's not like he danced around IdrA's boot like a certain FBH would've done. He just shows his delight which is probably amplified by the fact that IdrA acts like an asshole most of the time.
On October 30 2010 00:53 Xxavi wrote: So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
Equally funny how IdrA's anti-fanboys come here talking about how justified the BM was when they go berserk every time IdrA BMs. I think BM'ing on TV is pretty bad taste, even tho I dont approve of IdrA's constant BM either. Zenio could either prove he is a bigger person than IdrA and just ignore his BM knowing that he beat him, or stoop to his level. He chose the latter.
On October 30 2010 00:55 Saechiis wrote: Am I the only one who sees Zenio being happy, rather than Zenio being BM? It's not like he danced around IdrA's boot like a certain FBH would've done. He just shows his delight which is probably amplified by the fact that IdrA acts like an asshole most of the time.
Well...considering he himself said that it was in reaction to BM from Idra in the past and it was meant to convey to Idra to shut his mouth...I think it was pretty BM...certainly not being happy. Although personally, I'm all for it and hope for more of this type of stuff in the future.
On October 30 2010 00:53 Xxavi wrote: So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
Equally funny how IdrA's anti-fanboys come here talking about how justified the BM was when they go berserk every time IdrA BMs. I think BM'ing on TV is pretty bad taste, even tho I dont approve of IdrA's constant BM either. Zenio could either prove he is a bigger person than IdrA and just ignore his BM knowing that he beat him, or stoop to his level. He chose the latter.
While it wasn't particularly classy Gon mentioned before that Idra BM'ed other members of his clan as well. Fact of the matter is that, while it's easy to tell someone to take the high road if you act like an asshole long enough eventually you are going to get a taste of your own medicine.
On October 30 2010 00:53 Xxavi wrote: So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
Equally funny how IdrA's anti-fanboys come here talking about how justified the BM was when they go berserk every time IdrA BMs. I think BM'ing on TV is pretty bad taste, even tho I dont approve of IdrA's constant BM either. Zenio could either prove he is a bigger person than IdrA and just ignore his BM knowing that he beat him, or stoop to his level. He chose the latter.
ur prob one of those people who's friends get dissed and you just sit there cus you don't want no trouble
? Zenio kept a grudge about IdrA being bm in BETA till now? Or am i just wrong and the Korean beta lasted much longer and hence IdrA bm-ed much more people than the community knows?
It just sounds a bit stupid that he wants IdrA to mellow up considering that IdrA has actually became much less BM considering the SCBW days and beta days.
I dunno about Korean progamers hunting IdrA down though, it seems like the grudge started when IdrA beat oGs.Inca?
Unfortunately it sucks to be Grack in this one. As stated by a few others, he's a person who has made his reputation on the premise of having a monster gameplay style and a monster bad attitude when he got beat by different races. Someone without a sufficient mastery of his own race though should be fully prepared to accept the heat when it comes down to it.
More often than not, you can see idrA takes a regular beating on Sen's stream and ZvZ is by far his worst matchup, so we probably should've saw it coming.
Man people need to ease up. I prefer emotion from the players rather than stone cold robot faces (what SC1 BW has turned into). It's awesome seeing new people like Fake Boxer crack a smile - just makes the whole thing seem so much more personal.
And if you don't think BM occurs a lot, you really haven't watched the GSL enough. I've seen BM mules, BM nexus in the opponent's expansion, BM mass barracks, BM self nukes... the works. It happens, get over it.
theres really 3 pages discussing whether zenio was right or wrong to do this? REALLY? Holy fucking shit some people really need to chill the fuck out and care about stuff less. Its just a game and they're barely more then teenagers
This is good for the game. It's good that the players are showing emotion. It's going to be much easier to market and hype those players up now in future matches. I don't see how anyone can be upset.
On October 30 2010 01:42 zerglingsfolife wrote: This is good for the game. It's good that the players are showing emotion. It's going to be much easier to market and hype those players up now in future matches. I don't see how anyone can be upset.
LOOOOL at the ceremony. I'm an IdrA fan and it sucks that he lost, but oh man, gotta love that arm motion by Zenio. Now it is time for IdrA to unleash his rage at MLG Dallas.
On October 30 2010 00:53 Xxavi wrote: So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
Equally funny how IdrA's anti-fanboys come here talking about how justified the BM was when they go berserk every time IdrA BMs. I think BM'ing on TV is pretty bad taste, even tho I dont approve of IdrA's constant BM either. Zenio could either prove he is a bigger person than IdrA and just ignore his BM knowing that he beat him, or stoop to his level. He chose the latter.
I agree, Zenio's BM is still a BM, and probably shouldn't have done on TV. But Idra BMing constantly annoys me as a SC2 fan. Really, I enjoy when he loses to people like Masq and then rages.
He is arrogant, talks down others, while he has done sweet fuck all in the grand scheme of things. I would hate to see Boxer or Nada BM, although they could BM just about anybody in SC. When FruitDealer won against ITR, instead of congratulating, he was trash talking about ITR, which sounded bitter and jealous. That tells about his personality a lot. And I was hoping that somebody would put him in place.
I don't like BM, but Idra needs somebody to tell him actually he isn't as good as he thinks.
On October 30 2010 00:39 Xxavi wrote: The difference between Idra BM and Zenio BM is that the latter didn't make a name for himself through BM around the world, while Idra is known to be BM to Europeans, Asians and Americans. Can't believe people try to compare them.
I also believe that Zenio got further pumped by his oGs team-mates who probably all were BMed or flamed by Idra at this or that stage of game. I would think if oGsGon won that game, he would have done something similar. So it is not surprising to see this from Zenio, probably his teammates influenced a lot, too.
It's funny that there's no comment from TL guys over there, like TLO and Jinro. I can totally understand that they don't want to get into this shit, but they probably know that Idra deserves this for his trash-talking.
On October 30 2010 00:44 Jombozeus wrote: For context, IdrA BM'ed the entire oGs team. oGsGon has stated that sometime before, correct me if I'm wrong.
You dont go to someone's country, diss their best pro-team, and expect not to get retaliated
On October 30 2010 00:53 Xxavi wrote: So it is funny that there are people who come up with the ways to defend him. Funny. Or not.
Equally funny how IdrA's anti-fanboys come here talking about how justified the BM was when they go berserk every time IdrA BMs. I think BM'ing on TV is pretty bad taste, even tho I dont approve of IdrA's constant BM either. Zenio could either prove he is a bigger person than IdrA and just ignore his BM knowing that he beat him, or stoop to his level. He chose the latter.
While it wasn't particularly classy Gon mentioned before that Idra BM'ed other members of his clan as well. Fact of the matter is that, while it's easy to tell someone to take the high road if you act like an asshole long enough eventually you are going to get a taste of your own medicine.
On October 30 2010 01:32 teamsolid wrote: I wonder what his BM was about? Leaving without GG or something worse?
Well as well as whatever Zenio claims, Idra was also trash talking oGsGon before their RO32 match, so really he's trash talked and almost certainly BM'ed the guy, so it's well deserved.
Idra isn't some saint, and he deserves whatever disrespect he gets. Also other players have 'BM'ed' in the games, through things like manner CC, supply depot heart, mass rax. Zenio just did it as his celebration after showing Idra who's boss.
idra's napoleon complex is incredibly frustrating and obnoxious. I respect his abilities as zerg but idra makes the rest of us look bad. as basically the only american in the GSL he represents a large portion of the foreign community and frankly its embarassing. I remember when idra bm'ed morrow in the beta it was uncalled for.
I have a suspicion that most koreans don't respect idra at all. most koreans tend to be pretty respectful and humble and idra is neither. He had it coming and zenio doesnt seem to have much history for BM so he must have had a good reason.
When FBH did the ceremony on savior, people were pretty split about it, lot of people got mad. When Much did the pylon heart everyone Lol'd. Responding to BM aint the same as starting it especially when you got someone like IdrA who talks shit all the time and rarely gets BM'd himself. The funny thing is, IdrA probably cares less about the ceremony than most of the people defending him in here.
BM is fine, adds additional elements to the competitive scene.
I dunno about you, but I find rooting for nerds who have no personality, no ability, no appreciation for anything except being able to playing a video game in a standard manner rather difficult.
If you BM, you will distinguish yourself from the crowd. You will attract both fans and anti-fans. As long as you are prepare for that, I don't see what the issue is. Hell, I'd BM on TV if I got a good reason to back it.
Go Grack, crack them next time. I KNOW you are reading this thread.
I almost want to talk more about how Idra, a long time pro in korea, who should have connections even if he isn't korean can't find partners while TL sends people over and has them move right into a sc2 pro house...
it's funny. but and it proves a point. I might be great for team EG to have idra, but I'm not sure it's good for idra to be on team eg. Nothing against eg, but they don't have the infastructure there in korea
On October 30 2010 01:58 johngalt90 wrote: idra's napoleon complex is incredibly frustrating and obnoxious. I respect his abilities as zerg but idra makes the rest of us look bad. as basically the only american in the GSL he represents a large portion of the foreign community and frankly its embarassing. I remember when idra bm'ed morrow in the beta it was uncalled for.
I have a suspicion that most koreans don't respect idra at all. most koreans tend to be pretty respectful and humble and idra is neither. He had it coming and zenio doesnt seem to have much history for BM so he must have had a good reason.
Yeah and consider how koreans, like BoxeR, have been saying good things about other foreigners like TLO and huk its just... =/
Seems like oGs as a team really dislikes IdrA. Must be awkward for the TL guys, who all seem to like him.
Zenio is awesome. As a fan of many physical sports, I love seeing when that competitive fire comes out. It doesn't have to be BM either. I just like to see the emotion of the moment. I want to see pro-gamers, not programmers.
I don't think a lot of you are understanding the meaning behind Zenio's gestures towards Idra. His point is that Idra was really condescending and didn't respect Zenio. Why wouldn't he respect Zenio? Because Idra implies that Zenio isn't good. Now Zenio beat Idra 2-0. So it is somewhat sarcastic/mocking Idra in the way that he BMs Idra. Kinda like "Look, you BM'ed and lost, look at me, I can BM too! hur hur!!". Its not that he's saying "HEY YO MAN, SUCK A DICK!". He's BM'ing in a way that is meant to show how silly Idra's BM is.
Sorta weird to be saying this on TL, but a lot of people here are forgetting the community element to SC ... especially in South Korea. When you BM someone on B.Net (and IdrA isn't exactly playing scrubs when he ladders) you're probably BMing someone that is a friend of a pro-gamer, practice n00b of a pro-gamer or a pro-gamer. Unlike in North America, where the community of top notch players isn't as vast or inter-related, in Korea, more of these people actually know each other on some level.
If someone disses my buddy from school or cousin or some guy I went to a ball game with and we got along, and everyone is saying that guy is a dick, that dude becomes an enemy, or at the very least a guy I view with suspiscion. Beating him becomes a communal reason for celebration.
This just goes to my bigger problem with IdrA. He clearly has the ambition to be great and he clearly puts a lot of thought into the game but, and I know this isn't the criticism most people have of him, but I'm not sure he's smart enough to be really great.
I'm not referring to his general demeanor. Despite all his echo-chamber assiduous imba whining with Artosis, I genuinely believe he calms himself down and introspects as to his play, regardless of the patch number he is on. But the imba whining and BM is indicative of a dude that would rather win now then become the best. If he was really focused on *just being the best* he'd recognize that he needs to get in with a community of really talented players, win their respect, trade ideas and strategies as equals, and use his superior passion, motivation and execution to whup some ass.
Instead BM supposedly "just proves he cares a lot". No it doesn't, it proves he doesn't care enough and isn't bright enough to figure out that BM is a negative EV proposition.
I know IdrA is our great foreign hope and has been for a long time. And I root for him like most of us on TL. But he's not what he could be. And, given that its been so many years, I don't think its rational for us to think he'll be anything more than he is now. I hope he is. I hope he takes this insult from Zenio and reflects on his person and what it means to incite this sort of emotion instead of just taking it as an insult. But, if history is any guide, personal introspection and behavorial adaption aren't his forte.
On October 30 2010 02:22 Choirdrunk wrote: Sorta weird to be saying this on TL, but a lot of people here are forgetting the community element to SC ... especially in South Korea. When you BM someone on B.Net (and IdrA isn't exactly playing scrubs when he ladders) you're probably BMing someone that is a friend of a pro-gamer, practice n00b of a pro-gamer or a pro-gamer. Unlike in North America, where the community of top notch players isn't as vast or inter-related, in Korea, more of these people actually know each other on some level.
If someone disses my buddy from school or cousin or some guy I went to a ball game with and we got along, and everyone is saying that guy is a dick, that dude becomes an enemy, or at the very least a guy I view with suspiscion. Beating him becomes a communal reason for celebration.
This just goes to my bigger problem with IdrA. He clearly has the ambition to be great and he clearly puts a lot of thought into the game but, and I know this isn't the criticism most people have of him, but I'm not sure he's smart enough to be really great.
I'm not referring to his general demeanor. Despite all his echo-chamber assiduous imba whining with Artosis, I genuinely believe he calms himself down and introspects as to his play, regardless of the patch number he is on. But the imba whining and BM is indicative of a dude that would rather win now then become the best. If he was really focused on *just being the best* he'd recognize that he needs to get in with a community of really talented players, win their respect, trade ideas and strategies as equals, and use his superior passion, motivation and execution to whup some ass.
Instead BM supposedly "just proves he cares a lot". No it doesn't, it proves he doesn't care enough and isn't bright enough to figure out that BM is a negative EV proposition.
I know IdrA is our great foreign hope and has been for a long time. And I root for him like most of us on TL. But he's not what he could be. And, given that its been so many years, I don't think its rational for us to think he'll be anything more than he is now. I hope he is. I hope he takes this insult from Zenio and reflects on his person and what it means to incite this sort of emotion instead of just taking it as an insult. But, if history is any guide, personal introspection and behavorial adaption aren't his forte.
Wow, this is a really smart post. I like where you go with this. We've heard a lot about how players will team up and help each other a whole lot. Idra's BM puts him at a disadvantage. You gotta play the politics of the scene to be as good as possible.
why do people care so much? oh my god, say it ain't so, he air-slapped idra from far away when he couldn't even see what zenio was doing! i'm sure idra went and cried in his room while re-evaluating his moral standards after that one.
IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.
He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.
Reach? Yeah maybe. I would love if the mantoss brought some testerone to SC2.
Anyway, I like when players show a bit of emotion. At first I only thought it was Zenio being thrilled he got s-class for GSL but it seems it was more than that behind it. Either way people are being way too upset over a 1-second celebration.
On October 30 2010 02:33 Herculix wrote: why do people care so much?
Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.
On October 30 2010 02:33 Herculix wrote: why do people care so much?
Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.
Ever been a fan of a sports team? It's the exact same thing except SC involves logic, game theory, math, introspection, practice, and the theoretical opportunity for a normal guy to succeed even if he isn't born 6'6 and 300 lbs or with the ability to run a 4.4 40.
Is rooting for a sports team the most productive use of a person's time? No. Is discussing whether Giselle is ruining both the Patriots and Tom Brady's hair really a mature topic? No. Is it fun? Yes.
Since you have over 4100 posts I'm actually a bit surprised to hear anti-obsession talk coming from you. "Oh, but dudes, I talk about Starcraft stuff that matters!!!" ... yeah, ok there tiger.
On October 30 2010 02:33 Herculix wrote: why do people care so much?
Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.
Ever been a fan of a sports team? It's the exact same thing except SC involves logic, game theory, math, introspection, practice, and the theoretical opportunity for a normal guy to succeed even if he isn't born 6'6 and 300 lbs or with the ability to run a 4.4 40.
Is rooting for a sports team the most productive use of a person's time? No. Is discussing whether Giselle is ruining both the Patriots and Tom Brady's hair really a mature topic? No. Is it fun? Yes.
Since you have over 4100 posts I'm actually a bit surprised to hear anti-obsession talk coming from you. "Oh, but dudes, I talk about Starcraft stuff that matters!!!" ... yeah, ok there tiger.
But i do. i post regularly in the nada's body thread.
Zergs are gonna have to be scrapy to win these high level ZvZ's as it is the most unexplored matchup at this level of play. Would have loved to see Idra take on Fruitdealer but in the end upsets are what keep things fresh.
The Celebration can hardly be called BM. Showing some pride of your win, especially being the underdog in a mirror is appropriate. It was more of a "get some bitch" than a taunt, and lets face it if these guys meet again its ON-LIKE-DONKEY-KONG! WP Zenio
On October 30 2010 02:33 Herculix wrote: why do people care so much?
Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.
Ever been a fan of a sports team? It's the exact same thing except SC involves logic, game theory, math, introspection, practice, and the theoretical opportunity for a normal guy to succeed even if he isn't born 6'6 and 300 lbs or with the ability to run a 4.4 40.
Is rooting for a sports team the most productive use of a person's time? No. Is discussing whether Giselle is ruining both the Patriots and Tom Brady's hair really a mature topic? No. Is it fun? Yes.
Since you have over 4100 posts I'm actually a bit surprised to hear anti-obsession talk coming from you. "Oh, but dudes, I talk about Starcraft stuff that matters!!!" ... yeah, ok there tiger.
But i do. i post regularly in the nada's body thread.
Any serious analysis of Nada's body requires at least 5000 posts. You'll get there one day newbie.
Idra, to me, has always been a terrible person and a long-time BM'er. Zenio did the right thing because he wanted to retaliate for his friends in the OGS clan whom Idra also BM'ed in the past. It exasperates me when fanboys keep clamouring to Idra's defense by saying Zenio is BM too; Zenio had the right to express what he and other Koreans feel towards Idra lately.
It is way too late now, and Idra's continued arrogance is not getting him anywhere in the SC2 proscene. So please don't be so surprised if Idra receives more BM retaliation in the future; he totally deserves it for his own actions.
Idra, if you are reading this, treat other people with more respect, like Slayers'Boxer. Just because you thought you were the best in the SC2 beta, does not give you the right to look down on others. You should have taken Rekrul's advice LONG AGO; yes, I read that very old thread posted by him about your excuses for the loss against China's F91. -_- Grow up already.
On October 30 2010 02:17 Mohdoo wrote: I don't think a lot of you are understanding the meaning behind Zenio's gestures towards Idra. His point is that Idra was really condescending and didn't respect Zenio. Why wouldn't he respect Zenio? Because Idra implies that Zenio isn't good. Now Zenio beat Idra 2-0. So it is somewhat sarcastic/mocking Idra in the way that he BMs Idra. Kinda like "Look, you BM'ed and lost, look at me, I can BM too! hur hur!!". Its not that he's saying "HEY YO MAN, SUCK A DICK!". He's BM'ing in a way that is meant to show how silly Idra's BM is.
Basically this, from what it sounds like Idra's basically been BMing Zenio's entire clan, not to mention himself, as well as beating his captain(coach? ?) in the previous round. Zenio's BM isn't to BM, it's to make Idra shut up, after all he did just get resoundingly beaten 2-0.
I really don't get how anyone can defend Idra's BM if you're an American esports fan. He's basically the only real American presence right now in the GSLs and do you really want the image of your country to be represented by a guy who badmouths everyone on the ladder and has basically made an enemy of a huge number of Koreans? This isn't like the NA ladder where your opponent might be some moose-hunter from Alaska or some retiree down from Florida, in Korea word of his antics spread fast.
Now, TLO, there's a guy much more suited to representing the western foreign scene.
imo, BM is no good, no matter if its on Sports or eSports. If you win, take the win and walk happy. If you are at the losing end, learn and grow. "Hating" the other party takes you no where and might cloud your vision. We should learn more from our Asian friends about politeness and being courteous.
On October 30 2010 03:10 cocoa_sg wrote: Idra, to me, has always been a terrible person and a long-time BM'er. Zenio did the right thing because he wanted to retaliate for his friends in the OGS clan whom Idra also BM'ed in the past. It exasperates me when fanboys keep clamouring to Idra's defense by saying Zenio is BM too; Zenio had the right to express what he and other Koreans feel towards Idra lately.
It is way too late now, and Idra's continued arrogance is not getting him anywhere in the SC2 proscene. So please don't be so surprised if Idra receives more BM retaliation in the future; he totally deserves it for his own actions.
Idra, if you are reading this, treat other people with more respect, like Slayers'Boxer. Just because you thought you were the best in the SC2 beta, does not give you the right to look down on others. You should have taken Rekrul's advice LONG AGO; yes, I read that very old thread posted by him about your excuses for the loss against China's F91. -_- Grow up already.
LOL. I remember that. I wasn't a TL forum goer at the time since SC2 hadn't come out yet (and I got drawn in by certain casters). Someone linked it though at another board and it was hilarious:
On October 30 2010 02:17 Mohdoo wrote: I don't think a lot of you are understanding the meaning behind Zenio's gestures towards Idra. His point is that Idra was really condescending and didn't respect Zenio. Why wouldn't he respect Zenio? Because Idra implies that Zenio isn't good. Now Zenio beat Idra 2-0. So it is somewhat sarcastic/mocking Idra in the way that he BMs Idra. Kinda like "Look, you BM'ed and lost, look at me, I can BM too! hur hur!!". Its not that he's saying "HEY YO MAN, SUCK A DICK!". He's BM'ing in a way that is meant to show how silly Idra's BM is.
Basically this, from what it sounds like Idra's basically been BMing Zenio's entire clan, not to mention himself, as well as beating his captain(coach? ?) in the previous round. Zenio's BM isn't to BM, it's to make Idra shut up, after all he did just get resoundingly beaten 2-0.
I really don't get how anyone can defend Idra's BM if you're an American esports fan. He's basically the only real American presence right now in the GSLs and do you really want the image of your country to be represented by a guy who badmouths everyone on the ladder and has basically made an enemy of a huge number of Koreans? This isn't like the NA ladder where your opponent might be some moose-hunter from Alaska or some retiree down from Florida, in Korea word of his antics spread fast.
Now, TLO, there's a guy much more suited to representing the western foreign scene.
Totally agree. I think there are quite a few of us hoping TLO can take over the mantle. Even many of us North Americans would be exceedingly happy with a European like TLO representing the West. The Koreans love TLO too.
That being said, if IdrA gained some humility, embraced the culture (both Korean and SC), learned from his mistakes, gained respect and then kicked some ass, I imagine it'd be the kind of story that could make a man a legend.
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote: IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.
He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.
Great post.
I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is: 1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.) 2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg) 3. ... ...
Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"
With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.
It was a fun game to watch, glad Zenio showed some emotion. BM is such a touchy subject, everything seems to be BM that is out of the norm. Maka self nuking himself in a game was probably worse imo.
I <3 the oGs-TL team and am glad they are having a strong showing again.
Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention. A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.
yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-
anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.
Q: Your ceremony is making buzz. + Show Spoiler +
A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.
이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다. ▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.
▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.
On October 30 2010 00:44 Jombozeus wrote: For context, IdrA BM'ed the entire oGs team. oGsGon has stated that sometime before, correct me if I'm wrong.
You dont go to someone's country, diss their best pro-team, and expect not to get retaliated.
I think this is the case too. It's not necessary that there's bad blood between IdrA and Zenio, but between IdrA and some random oGs members.
Hell, maybe because IdrA kept BM Terran that Terran players in oGs got annoyed, and you know what happens in those practice house, words travel fast.
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote: IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.
He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.
Great post.
I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is: 1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.) 2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg) 3. ... ...
Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"
With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.
In BW, where IdrA played T, he was always complaining about toss OP rofl...
Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention. A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.
yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-
anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.
A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.
이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다. ▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.
▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.
I think I like your translation the best. Gonna root for Zenio more now that I know he has some personality. Although his celebration needs more work, maybe he should talk to FBH for some pointers.
Just finished reading the old Rekrul thread and it seems like all these issues about IdrA are old hat and everyone, even his friends in the thread, seemed to agree with the content if not the delivery.
Two theories for why an otherwise intelligent person would fail to correct his mistakes in the face of so much evidence.
1. Aspberger's Syndrome. I don't know IdrA on a personal level at all. I have seen interviews. He seems too high functioning to have Aspberger's in his recent interviews but it's possible and would explain many of the characteristics his frenemies seem to agree upon.
2. Insecurity without resolution. I've both lived a part of this and seen it amongst some of the kids at university and grad school. Not uncommon amongst kids at the top schools.
You start life different. More introverted than most kids. Maybe physically smaller. Maybe significantly better at certain subjects, like math, than kids your age group. You're seen as "weird" or "nerdy." You learn to wall yourself off from society, become exceedingly cautious when interacting with new people, begin assuming people will be mean or hurtful. I was that kid. Maybe he was too?
This would help explain why the only people we know to be IdrA's friends, rather than just his fans, are yes-men like Artosis who he would never feel unsafe around (watch the Artosis-IdrA interview before the first IEM if you question whether this is the relationship). It would also explain why Rekrul mentioned IdrA never had any romantic interactions prior to a 2008 or 2009 visit to Korea. (I'm not saying this last part to be hurtful, I'm saying it because, if true, such a fact would have a remarkable impact on a young man's view of himself. Not getting laid or having a girlfriend makes a lot of young men feel like they are failures ... which some compensate for by exuding arrogance and finding undue validation in things like ... well, Starcraft. So a loss isn't simply a loss. It's another indication regarding one's lack of value). And, yes, IdrA is skinny and a nerd but he's nowhere near unattractive enough to have that be the reason for his not having a girlfriend ever. He definitely falls into the 95% of men that "have a chance if..."
Problem is, only way to solve the problem, is to 1. recognize its a problem; and then 2. treat it like you would any other problem (i.e., rationally assess the issue, examine potential solutions, process the superior solutions. And you treat your failures just as dispassionately. If you get a calc problem wrong, you figure out what you did wrong. If you try to get it on with a cute brunette that rejects you, you figure out what you did wrong. Hit the reset button, play again. Crying "(girls) imba" or "s/he's dumb" is as valid a strategy in Starcraft as it is in your social life ... which means, not at all). Which, because it involves initially painful introspection, is harder than it sounds.
So, basically, in order for IdrA to become a well rounded individual capable of appropriate introspection and, subsequently, the ability to become one of the best pro-gamers, it sounds like we need to get him a girlfriend or we need to convince him to engage in the process of effective socializing. Who's up for flying to Korea and whipping this kid into shape?
worst BM ive seen ever in esports. so much disrespect. To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that. This guy needs a smack across the face imo.
and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\
Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention. A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.
yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-
anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.
A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.
이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다. ▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.
▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.
This is the best translation!! i'm korean. i cant speak english but i can read it this TR is perpect!
anyway, i am sorry for Zenio's celemony many korean blamed his act. and i'm sorry, IdrA we really love foreign player! and love IdrA though IdrA has BM, but we like his playing cheer up IdrA i look foward to see you GSL3season
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote: IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.
He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.
Great post.
I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is: 1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.) 2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg) 3. ... ...
Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"
With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.
In BW, where IdrA played T, he was always complaining about toss OP rofl...
I know. And you'd wonder why he never chooses the OP race.
Oh right, he has "self-respect" Even TLO has it now
On October 30 2010 04:28 Slakkoo wrote: Answering BM with BM is BM. Zenio should just be a man and say "Like I care if he BM's me, I beat him". I lost my respect for Zenio
basicly you say idra can do what he want but if someone bm him you loose respect? correct me if i am wrong please. but your just rooting for idra and that is ok......
i see zenio showing spontaneous emotions. and would he did it if he did not get bm by someone on the ladder? i dont think so my friend
paycheck baby. zenio doing bm like the big boys do it. at least thats what i see.
Wow you guys saying Idra being BM is terrible its no where near as bad as it was in BW. Also jesus people get mad when they lose there are a ton of people who do it that are at the top level way way worse then Idra does.
Also if you think Zenio's was the worst BM ever you should seriously watch Firebathehero is was 100 times worse then Zenio's lol.
On October 30 2010 03:58 JQL wrote: What zenio did is not smart at all (at least dont do it in public), in my opinion, he made Koreans look bad. He made SC2 and E-sports look like trash.
Lol youtube firebathero and tell me if you have the same opinion
On October 30 2010 04:27 MrBGJM wrote: worst BM ive seen ever in esports. so much disrespect. To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that. This guy needs a smack across the face imo.
and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\
Seriously? Ever hear of FBH? This was nowhere near close to the worst BM ever in esports lol
On October 30 2010 05:00 daheadhunter wrote: Idra has been extremely well mannered since retail.
bahaahaha<3
Both Zenio and IdrA are bosses. I love IdrA for telling it how it is and not concealing his rage, and I love Zenio for doing shit like that/standing up to him. Just enjoy the spectacle, folks. This is SC2 not SamuraiCraft.
Wow. I am going to comment a little on the concept of BM here. Everyone needs to lighten up. Starcraft is so rigid with its focus on manners. During Dallas I want everyone to pop over and watch a Halo match while the SC is taking a break. Do they sit there and smile when they win and do they cheer, share high fives and make a little noise?
And that is nothing compared to real sport. Take any sport where they jump around when they score. My background is competitive fencing here in Canada. A sport where screaming to influence the referee is encouraged. Now I'm not advocating that a player shouts with joy every time they pick off a scouting SCV but let them act up somewhat. It's natural. Every single sport does it.
Is Zenio disrespectful? Hell no. He doesn't like Idra and he did a single gesture in celebration. Hockey players throw down and fight. This is nothing. Calm down. Starcraft needs to take the manner stick out of its ass and enjoy the conquering of your enemies.
man i really wanted idra to win, he's a TL poster after all. still, my view on drama is that regardless of how (un)professional it may be, it can only help make sc2 more interesting. can't say i object =]
On October 30 2010 05:05 Tercotta wrote:Is Zenio disrespectful? Hell no. He doesn't like Idra and he did a single gesture in celebration. Hockey players throw down and fight. This is nothing. Calm down. Starcraft needs to take the manner stick out of its ass and enjoy the conquering of your enemies.
god I love you, amen. Being mannered in games is all good, no need to bm like a child, but in huge tournaments you can't expect them to remain stoic and emotionless. e-- woop woop it's my birthday in korea 8]
Man talking about IdrA's sexual life is so lame.. i mean come on people.. we are talking about starcraft players! we wanna see good games and if someone behaves like a dick we like it or not i don't care about his life..
on topic i didn't like zenio's attitude it was lame! not cool in my opinion!
I tought Foxer cheer was much cooler! zeio tried to look badass but looked like a angry nerd..
i think i'd like to see a birth World Starcraft Federation. Where they play inside the ring and create scripted rage and BM. i think it'll be quite entertaining.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
Well I think people in the west do not see "respect" as the same way asians do. Coming from Confucius teachings as its roots. As a foreigner, IdrA should know what respect is in the country he is at. I don't care what Idra does, but the people thinking Zenio was bad, probably should first learn about respect from Koreans' POV.
I dont get how this is worse BM. He didn't insult Idra's intellect or skill. He just said hey man, dont be bad mannered because people will especially love to win against you. It would be worse BM if during the interview he said something like "Idra thinks hes better than he is so the celebration was more like a sit down child kind of deal." Thats like a touchdown celebration type of thing. lol.
The hypocritical part of the people who defend IdrA and are riding Zenio is that I BET you if Idra actually did this to someone in the GSL (pretend scenario masq), people would be all ROFL and praise for IdrA. There shouldn't be this double standard. I like the way Nazgul put it
"Considering Idra's history of pissing people off I don't see why people would take offense to it.
If he had done it to a random person then I would agree. As it is it's just a little what comes around goes around no harm done. "
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
Funny part is that I've been feeling like Idra had toned down his stupid behaviour lately because I hadn't heard of any new "scandals" or whatnot.
Kind of cool to see him being on the receiving end of the inanity for once but I'm hoping it doesn't cause a reversion to the old Idra. He's just starting to get to the point where I'm not actively cheering for him to lose...
I know, probably BM makes it more interesting, but somehow it makes me happy when the BM players lose.
I mean if anybody watched SSF4 matches the other day (Season Beatings), some of the American players really looked like utter cowards. They were smiling and shaking hands of Japanese players, hell even hugging them only to come to mic and call them names and stuff. I mean, it sure does make it more interesting but what the fuck is that shit? It's being a coward, hand shaking here and hugging, just to go to mic and then use the fact that the japanese players aren't listening and don't know english to talk trash about them.
Idra is probably not as bad as those douchbags, but it does raise serious questions when you BM people and then constantly fail. I enjoy when this happens.
Well, the WerrA clan is one thing, and that's fairly recent lol. It's not just his actions, it's his attitude towards other people. Which is give respect to only those who he thinks is better than him, and because he is above the others he can talk trash if he pleases. Funny thing is he sees a lot of these people in real life. I can only imagine how awkward it was when drewbie saw IdrA IRL, or maybe it wasnt for all i know.
This reminds me of the HDH1 where in the polls a lot of people would vote for wanting idra to lose. I feel that most recently he has a lot more fans. Which I think he needs. However he gets some of his fans because of his BM which isnt good either lol
On October 30 2010 06:20 adeezy wrote: Well, the WerrA clan is one thing, and that's fairly recent lol. It's not just his actions, it's his attitude towards other people. Which is give respect to only those who he thinks is better than him, and because he is above the others he can talk trash if he pleases. Funny thing is he sees a lot of these people in real life. I can only imagine how awkward it was when drewbie saw IdrA IRL, or maybe it wasnt for all i know.
This reminds me of the HDH1 where in the polls a lot of people would vote for wanting idra to lose. I feel that most recently he has a lot more fans. Which I think he needs. However he gets some of his fans because of his BM which isnt good either lol
Indeed. Also, didn't Artosis say that "I BMed this guy so much" etc. when he was commentating GSL? I mean, then he is supposed to be a commentator, possibly interact with the players, at the very least if they win, take interviews etc. I hate cowards, like if your attitude and thoughts towards person X was this a week ago on B-NET, it cannot or should not change so suddenly, because you are pussy to show it to public.
Artosis, I bet, felt awkward a lot of times when he was interviewing, if he indeed BMed them.
seriously, ppl talking about the level of BM? Idra is well known for saying "fucking kimchi man" in korean sc2 community. racist comment > zenio's ceremony imo. and it's just a ceremony or celebration guys. it's for the show, interesting ceremonies bring more ppl into watching SC2, therefore more sponsors.
Need more tv bm in my life, iron style. Players talking shit in interviews or on forums, etc. is really pointless and just rude, but doing it on tv as retaliation or as a celebration is awesome. I hate how stoic Asians are a lot of the time and I'm saying this coming from an Asian family.
On October 30 2010 04:27 MrBGJM wrote: worst BM ive seen ever in esports. so much disrespect. To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that. This guy needs a smack across the face imo.
and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\
Wow, what a surprise you joined this month, this is so wrong
Okay listen
Do you know who the Rock or Jaedong is? Did you see the end of that game?
Do you know that Idra is the most bm person alive
if that's the worst BM you've ever seen in esports, you must hate the shit out of FBH, learn the history
On October 30 2010 06:33 funwisc wrote: seriously, ppl talking about the level of BM? Idra is well known for saying "fucking kimchi man" in korean sc2 community. racist comment > zenio's ceremony imo. and it's just a ceremony or celebration guys. it's for the show, interesting ceremonies bring more ppl into watching SC2, therefore more sponsors.
Yeah theres lot of this going around in Korean community.
It's funny how both community is still divided on this in a similar manner though Many koreans think it wasn't appropriate for Zenio to do that to a foreign player, even if Idra takes his BM a bit too far in Battle net.
On October 30 2010 00:22 vectorix108 wrote: wow i hope bad blood wont develop between these guys
I for one love fierce hatred and rivalry in sport, it makes things interesting. Who would watch football if there wasn't at least a small chance that a fight would break out in the stands or on the field?
I love Zenio's display, it's good to remind some people that they need to be respectful, even online. And in this case, the ends justify the means. Still proud of Idra for making it one round further this time. Next GSL it's RO8.
Loner is pretty solid, he took out everyone in blizzcon (even a set from nexgenius, just the 2 following sets wouldnt be as good for him). So he holds his own. I think people take IdrA's comment as ultimate truth, I saw another guy agreeing with IdrA's comment that WerrA is an all-in clan. Definately not true.
On October 30 2010 05:28 Polygamy wrote: My hats off to Idra, still the best non Korean by a long shot.
Loner might disagree.
IdrA did call Loner second rated Terran though.
I know, but Idra himself is a second rate Zerg with good vT and questionable vP and vZ.
In fact, I am not sure who he praised really. I saw him criticizing this or that side of even Boxer. The guy lacks humility and class, what would you expect?
I don't see an issue. He celebrated because he won, and imo esports won't ever take off in the east without that. I'm still an IdrA fan but now I'm hoping Zenio takes the whole thing and celebrates more than fruitdealer who looked like he had just gone grocery shopping when he won.
with his behavior idra will never find a team in sc2 in korea so he have to play ladder even when teams are more usefull then they are now ...
i dont think that he will have that many success in korea if he not change his behavior cause everyone will act like zenio when he got flamed before from idra ...
idra seems to be very bm often and rly this "mini" ceremony from zenio ? i watched it like 10 times before i realise what you guys mean and i had to smile because come on that is not rly hard or bm
i remember Rock in sc1 or FBH they had some bm moves
On October 30 2010 06:33 funwisc wrote: seriously, ppl talking about the level of BM? Idra is well known for saying "fucking kimchi man" in korean sc2 community. racist comment > zenio's ceremony imo. and it's just a ceremony or celebration guys. it's for the show, interesting ceremonies bring more ppl into watching SC2, therefore more sponsors.
Give me a break - the whole "fucking kimchi man" sounds completely made-up. Idra's BM has a very distinct pattern: it's always directly related to Starcraft, either by referencing someone's intelligence, play style, skill-level, or tactics. Idra is notoriously consistent why would he switch now?
Fair enough. If someone was a dick to my mates and I, and I then beat em in competition I'd rub it in too, dishing out revenge to twats looking for trouble is fun and only sissy girly-men would disapprove. Nice one Zenio ^^
If someones gonna dish it out, wouldn't they EXPECT to get some bm thrown back their way if they don't win? Retaliation isn't anything new in any kind of competition.
On October 30 2010 08:27 Skygrinder wrote: Who cares about players acting "professional"? These kind of stuff will go down in history and are really cool to see.
It's about respect for your fellow people and respect for yourself. It takes a truly miserable person to act the way idra acts. There is no way he would BM somebody face to face. Some people find his immaturity funny, most find it pathetic and annoying. I think he should do himself a favor and quit SC so he can try to socialize himself with the real world. Clearly he's out of touch.
On October 30 2010 08:54 EleanorRIgby wrote: idra finally gets what he deserves :D
and its nothing serious its just a ceremony
Seriously.
Let's think about this. Rock, FBH, and recently Perfectman (tongue micro) are all loved by the community. Why? Because they actually show emotion and passion for the game. Nothing wrong with the Zenio fistbump, actually it was great for the scene.
roflmao I don't even see the big deal about this. it's not like he ran around to idra, danced around him with a bunch of hip thrusts and miss-a poses, then spat in idra's face while flipping him off. and what's with the "ohhhh it makes zenior JUST AS BAD!!!" Does that even matter?...Celebrations/ceremonies occur in all sports.
think lleyton hewitt in tennis, any guy who makes a touchdown in american football...etc.
On October 30 2010 00:52 Irrational_Animal wrote: Wasn`t it mentioned by Artosis that beating Idra in the GSL is some sort of trophy hunting for the Koreans. Guess there must be a justified reason for Zenio`s gesture.
No that was misleading. Idra isn't that important. Unless by some koreans you mean the team he was facing that particular week and not the ones who were helping him practice.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
Hello, I just wanted to ask you what would you do if you got S class in GSL S2 for a prizepool of 85,700 USD ?
Yeah exactly. You'd be pretty happy too. He exaggerated it, thats all.
On October 30 2010 00:20 Adila wrote: Not that IdrA didn't deserve it but BMing on live TV is a on a different level than BMing on Bnet.
Good thing then Zenio only made a physical gesture instead of saying something like "you're fucking trash." Because the magnitude of BM that Zenio did is almost for sure on a smaller level than that IdrA did.
Wow... people care so much about such stupid things, unbelievable. And so much People are just hypocrites when the ytalk about how bad it is to be "BM" on Battle.Net blaaa... Whats the Problem... IdrA says what hes thinking, and very often its true what hes talking about, even if its BM or not true, its on BN... as if no one ohter here have ever felt angry after cheese or whatever. IdrA talks about it in Chat... yeah, maybe its not okay sometimes, right. But why do People care so much?
Beeing an Asshole on Television with Gestures like this is really much more kind of stupidness than anything elese. Ive never seen IdrA beeing BM at all on TV in SC2. He became much more professional last Days/Weeks. So that hes actually working on his deficits, does not count? Im sure everyone here is Perfect as a Human beeing!
And talking in Interviews about his own Chances vs others... then losing instead of winning like he thought and THEN People laughing at him and talking bullshit about him etc. and claiming that they have more insight in the Game as he does blabla? Common guys... he may be arrogant, maybe hes just rational. Unbelievable how intolerant People are.... srsly.
btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.
I dont get why ppl care so much about such stuff, sigh.
Making an agressive gesture towards someone is pretty bad mannered. But I think Idra making personal attacks on players he's just lost to is even worse.
I've got no problem with the winner cheering or whatever, it's just naturally what you do. Personally I'd like to see FruitDealer windmill his c*ck for a good 5 minutes when he wins a tournament.
On October 30 2010 01:32 Moreotters wrote: Unfortunately it sucks to be Grack in this one. As stated by a few others, he's a person who has made his reputation on the premise of having a monster gameplay style and a monster bad attitude when he got beat by different races. Someone without a sufficient mastery of his own race though should be fully prepared to accept the heat when it comes down to it.
More often than not, you can see idrA takes a regular beating on Sen's stream and ZvZ is by far his worst matchup, so we probably should've saw it coming.
Psh a 'monster game style'. It's funny seeing people new to SC2 actually believe IdrA is good now, when he's just going to fade into shitness in SC2 just like in BW where he sat in the corner at CJ all day losing games. He got a head-start on everyone, only reason he's even anywhere at this point. Good to see even Koreans know hes a complete dick. You can see countless replays of him bming people even in his TSL2 reps, just for no reason cause he loses. He's not doing it to be 'entertaining' or 'play up a character' as all these new SC2 people seem to think, he's just an genuine dickhead.
On October 30 2010 03:58 JQL wrote: What zenio did is not smart at all (at least dont do it in public), in my opinion, he made Koreans look bad. He made SC2 and E-sports look like trash.
Sorry, are we in a topic talking about IdrA here? Hrmm....
Well i think this guy Zenio took this little too far. Like he looks pissed off and now on tv he does this offensive geasture i dont like it at all looks like some kind of bully going vs idra. Idra is maybe a whiner but on another level that is b.net sweet stuff you know. Its cool but dont take it too far like this guy just did. Thats my opinion.
On October 30 2010 10:08 Terrakin wrote: it was a great ceremony, im sure that ceremony made IdrA more fans in skorea
I'm pretty sure Idra has no fans in korea other than the foreigners who go there and watch the games lol
If you read the comments on fomos etc people are like "Idra got what he deserved" and comments about how no one likes Idra, and people are like "if anyone needs to behave it's Idra, not Zenio"
Korean fans are super happy with the ceremony etc since a good majority of them seems to think Idra is a bming punk who is making a fool out of himself in a foreign country.
Idra had it coming, after years of being a shitty bad mannered kid, also you guys are a bunch of babies crying over a gesture that is not even the equivalent of the middle finger.
People get pissed off, in any game. What do you want Starcraft to be, a bunch of complaisant Asians intently concentrating on a monitor? There is absolutely no character to the players in Starcraft.
This guy made a gesture of elbowing Idra from what it looks like. So? People in hockey talk shit to each other and beat each other up all the time.
btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.
Its not just b.net when the replay gets uploaded.. and really people need to calm down the dude was excited I am sure he did this with out thinking about it to much. He won and made a sit down back hand motion :D I personally love it when players do this stuff makes it more interesting and lets not forget they are competing for $87,000 USD Come on 1v1 it should be more bm just look at boxing
Are you people seriously still crying about that little gesture he made when he won? Honestly when I watched it live I just assumed he was really happy and was fistpumping weirdly or something.....
On October 30 2010 06:33 funwisc wrote: seriously, ppl talking about the level of BM? Idra is well known for saying "fucking kimchi man" in korean sc2 community. racist comment > zenio's ceremony imo. and it's just a ceremony or celebration guys. it's for the show, interesting ceremonies bring more ppl into watching SC2, therefore more sponsors.
On October 30 2010 00:57 Piy wrote: I think people underestimate the amount of BM amongst Koreans 0.0
It's still not Idra level though :p
Don't think Zenio will do that well after this, was pretty unimpressed with him so far.
The difference is Koreans tend to due it only when it's deserved or in context of the situation, whereas people like Idra BM out of childish rage after losing or to boost their own ego. Basically no bite to back up the bark.
On October 30 2010 10:18 nodq wrote: Wow... people care so much about such stupid things, unbelievable. And so much People are just hypocrites when the ytalk about how bad it is to be "BM" on Battle.Net blaaa... Whats the Problem... IdrA says what hes thinking, and very often its true what hes talking about, even if its BM or not true, its on BN... as if no one ohter here have ever felt angry after cheese or whatever. IdrA talks about it in Chat... yeah, maybe its not okay sometimes, right. But why do People care so much?
Beeing an Asshole on Television with Gestures like this is really much more kind of stupidness than anything elese. Ive never seen IdrA beeing BM at all on TV in SC2. He became much more professional last Days/Weeks. So that hes actually working on his deficits, does not count? Im sure everyone here is Perfect as a Human beeing!
And talking in Interviews about his own Chances vs others... then losing instead of winning like he thought and THEN People laughing at him and talking bullshit about him etc. and claiming that they have more insight in the Game as he does blabla? Common guys... he may be arrogant, maybe hes just rational. Unbelievable how intolerant People are.... srsly.
btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.
I dont get why ppl care so much about such stuff, sigh.
Idra never trash talks when he wins, if you've ever noticed. He just bashes his opponent when he loses. There's talking trash when winning, which is one thing. Talking trash when you lose makes you look like a crybaby.
lol this doesnt make zenio any better of course, but he's still baller. He should have done a better ceremony though.
Also, I feel idra should join a better team (most likely oGs since they have english/korean players) because he always seems to be unprepared and loses to well planned builds. I understand EG is very well liked in the community but losing 2 or 3 CWs to All -Kills (and in the fashion they were lost) seems like they can't help idra out that much.
He definitely showed Idra! That guy is too arrogant for his own good, being confident is one thing, being arrogant is another, he just doesn't have any manners against players he think he is "better" than, calls people bad and all that stuff. Someone needs to teach him a lesson. Gratz Zenio and very nice celebration/ceremony!
On October 30 2010 12:09 dRaW wrote: lol this doesnt make zenio any better of course, but he's still baller. He should have done a better ceremony though.
Also, I feel idra should join a better team (most likely oGs since they have english/korean players) because he always seems to be unprepared and loses to well planned builds. I understand EG is very well liked in the community but losing 2 or 3 CWs to All -Kills (and in the fashion they were lost) seems like they can't help idra out that much.
I've gotten the impression the TL guys really don't like Idra all that much...
On October 30 2010 12:56 skAnarky wrote: One thing that is undeniable, he had the superior play that series.
Was the superior part when he didn't put his roaches on his ramp in game 1, or when he moved out way too early and got wiped in game 1, or didn't built extra hatches to compensate for contamination?
On October 30 2010 12:56 skAnarky wrote: One thing that is undeniable, he had the superior play that series.
Was the superior part when he didn't put his roaches on his ramp in game 1, or when he moved out way too early and got wiped in game 1, or didn't built extra hatches to compensate for contamination?
Idra is the villain and Zenio is the Korean Superman! Gesture justified. Seriously, I'm all for seeing a little bit of emotion out of players like that. Idras little smirk in every single situation is boring.
On October 30 2010 03:10 cocoa_sg wrote: Idra, to me, has always been a terrible person and a long-time BM'er. Zenio did the right thing because he wanted to retaliate for his friends in the OGS clan whom Idra also BM'ed in the past. It exasperates me when fanboys keep clamouring to Idra's defense by saying Zenio is BM too; Zenio had the right to express what he and other Koreans feel towards Idra lately.
It is way too late now, and Idra's continued arrogance is not getting him anywhere in the SC2 proscene. So please don't be so surprised if Idra receives more BM retaliation in the future; he totally deserves it for his own actions.
Idra, if you are reading this, treat other people with more respect, like Slayers'Boxer. Just because you thought you were the best in the SC2 beta, does not give you the right to look down on others. You should have taken Rekrul's advice LONG AGO; yes, I read that very old thread posted by him about your excuses for the loss against China's F91. -_- Grow up already.
LOL. I remember that. I wasn't a TL forum goer at the time since SC2 hadn't come out yet (and I got drawn in by certain casters). Someone linked it though at another board and it was hilarious:
On October 30 2010 12:09 dRaW wrote: lol this doesnt make zenio any better of course, but he's still baller. He should have done a better ceremony though.
Also, I feel idra should join a better team (most likely oGs since they have english/korean players) because he always seems to be unprepared and loses to well planned builds. I understand EG is very well liked in the community but losing 2 or 3 CWs to All -Kills (and in the fashion they were lost) seems like they can't help idra out that much.
I've gotten the impression the TL guys really don't like Idra all that much...
Well the SC2 guys who just joined don't have all the Idra history, and have just seen him dominating in SC2. The rest of us have been here reading Idra's comments and seeing him lose over and over when it counts (and then crying about it). Personally I got nothing against Idra's antics cause it's so entertaining, but it's a little ignorant to be seeing Zenio as the bully here and Idra as some innocent victim. Hopefully Idra can beat Zenio in their rematch, so the BM and e-drama will rise to epic proportions!
As somebody noted, it is a surprise to me that Idra doesn't get practice help from TL team in Korea. Especially now that TLO is zerg, and also there's Haypro over there, you might expect a help. May be either it's because not even TL guys are buddies with him, or just simply the fact that his opponents were oGs guys, and it wouldn't be ethical to side with Idra in those matches?
zenio played really well in both games idra seemed to struggle, and im sure what idra says over the net is WAY worse then making a back hand motion =\
i hope this blossoms into a wonderful rivalry, this kind of thing is so much more entertaining then the norm of super politness, in fact i hope sc2 progaming turns into a nerdy WWE
On October 30 2010 14:47 Xavv wrote: lol, it isn't as if him BMing Idra on LIVE TV makes him a more respectable player. I think he's sadly mistaken if he assumes otherwise.
Beta was months ago, Talk about being butt hurt lol.
The ones who are butt hurt are idra fanboys. if you're gonna bm then expect people to repay the favor, in bnet or gsl. No hard feelings lol.
I don't know much about his BM. However, if he think zerg suck, then change race..... It is that easy. Don't have to act like "OMG you terran have no self respect OMG" He should reduce some ego and "I am the center of the universe" attitude.
i recall IdrA saying how SC2 needed some kind of villain like WWE wrestling cause it brings out the crowd and character. lol i guess u should be careful what you wished for.
but look at that red head kid, he's only young and obviously this sorta things are expected :S
however; this things goes on the record when someone does this sorta things on air so just hope the aggressor don't fall or it will comes back twice as hard.
Are people really flipping out from his celebration? Doesn't this happen in sports all the time? When a hall of fame pitcher gets the final out, he probably shows some emotion and excitement. And vice versa when a rookie strikes out a great hitter in a tense situation. Not all sc2 e-atheletes have to be super stale.
On October 30 2010 00:50 phamou wrote: It had to happen one day. Zenio,s reaction was gonna happen either way, whether it was this game or another where Idra would lose.
Idra got what he himself created by BMing people.
you think that nobody would react when he says how players suck, that he gets no challenge and how they are only good because they use terran, etc? One way or another it would of happened.
It might be a slap in da face for Idra, I just hope he will learn from this and respect others now
I couldnt agree more, idra needs to learn that when you BM and then lose, it will come back to bite you.
Yes Idra is a good player, but his personality is just so ridiculous. I think he needs to go back to middle school and learn some manners. I have to agree with Zenio on this one. Thanks Zenio, sfor showing IDRA is place!!!
Idra has a terrible attitude towards people he loses against. The "right" thing to do would have been to just take the high road and not say or do anything, but you can't really blame Zenio either.
Moral of the story is, what goes around comes around.
I'm sad Idra got eliminated in this terrible matchup, ZvZ matchs aren't great at all to watch or to play.
And about the BM from Zenio. The fact that it was to tell Idra to watch his mouth doesn't hide the fact that it was BM nonetheless, he is just putting himself at the same level as Idra, or worse because it's live. But I guess people like that are entertaining and Idra kinda asked for it. I really don't think it will change Idra's point of view however.
On October 30 2010 10:08 Terrakin wrote: it was a great ceremony, im sure that ceremony made IdrA more fans in skorea
I'm pretty sure Idra has no fans in korea other than the foreigners who go there and watch the games lol
If you read the comments on fomos etc people are like "Idra got what he deserved" and comments about how no one likes Idra, and people are like "if anyone needs to behave it's Idra, not Zenio"
Korean fans are super happy with the ceremony etc since a good majority of them seems to think Idra is a bming punk who is making a fool out of himself in a foreign country.
So yeah let's not get delusional here lol
Same thing in the Chinese sc/bw community. The majority of people dislike Idra's bm.
Love the gesture he needs to be put in his place. The naive part of me wants idra to learn from this and to not behave like an asshole anymore but i'm 100% certain it's not going to happen and in the end he's only digging his own grave in Korea.
On October 30 2010 23:19 writer22816 wrote: i love how idra still can't win shit even though he switched to sc2 lol
I'm the first one who hate Idra, and i love what Zenio done, hope we will see more dissing of Idra around, so he gets back what he deserves, but how can you say something like this lol.. So everyone who doesnt actualy win GSL is shit? By that kind of comment you are not discrespecting only Idra for who most of us don't care, but alot of other good players who were stoped at round 32/16/8 at GSL...
On October 31 2010 01:11 alonndo wrote: did anyone win in a big tournament in korea as foreigner=?=
not in recent years. idra woulda imo if koreans didnt cheese him out of the first gsl.
Idras main weaknesses are his inability to adapt and lack of creative play. Example: game 1 vs zenio. All he had to do was make a spire. Idra won't change his play style and will always lose to a quality creative Korean eventually.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
And your points is that because FBH has done unprofessional stuff when winning live in the past, it's OK to do it?
I'm not saying IdrA isn't/hasn't been bad mannered, but doing sh*t like this on live TV is so friggin un-classy, doesn't matter who he's insulting.
/Chma
Edit: It's funny how people praise Zenio for bm'ing IdrA, when alot of people "hate" IdrA for bm'ing. Failed logic right there my friends.. Unless you think "but mom, he started it" is a valid reason.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
IdrA kind of deserved it
When I look at IdrA on camera after a loss he looks more angry at himself than anyone else. You can tell the game means a lot to him. Online games however is where IdrA becomes a tough guy all of a sudden and doesn't give a thought to being blunt and bad mannered. I bet that he is really just redirecting his anger towards himself back at the opponent, which is kind of an immature move. IdrA enjoys playing the villain, but underneath all of it he's just so passionate about the game and a somewhat sore loser at the same time. Just like a lot of people who are mature for their age, they still have streaks of childishness to remind you that they are indeed still kids.
To compare Zenio BM the same as Idra is not fair. Idra is known to BM quite a bit and unless Zenio is lying about the BM on ladder(which koreans see Idra alot more than us), his gesture torwards Idra was justified. It is not like Zenio does it all the time....JUST ONCE. You can`t expect to see insults thrown around and people taking it up the butt and not do anything about it...would you?
On October 30 2010 23:08 Sanguinarius wrote: Zenio BMing is just as bad as Idra - if not worse because it was done on TV.
Way to sink to a lower level.......
at least he BM like a man (more or less) and not like a retarded nerd behind a computer (like Idra)
I'll spit in your face on national TV and I'm pretty sure you'll change your mind about that.
It's worse than being rude months ago.
lol i wouldnt change my mind. I think that trash talkers cowards like idra deserve that kind of bm and worse, so i would like if he gets humillated in TV, because imo he totally deserves that. But if i were on zenios places i dont think i would bm just because i know that idra is just a pathetic guy who wouldnt deserve my attention.
On October 30 2010 23:19 writer22816 wrote: i love how idra still can't win shit even though he switched to sc2 lol
Wait.. what?
i think he is talking about in korea, sure idra is still the best foreigner at sc2 but unless he can win in korea he is not as good as he thinks he is when he bm people
Zenio sucks. He can't say Ihdra is BM on Bnet and then pull a stunt like that in front of an audience. It's like saying "it's bad to hunt rabbits with a scoped sniper" and then grenade launching the poor critters instead.
I used to dislike Ihdra because of his flames (towards drewbie and silver :p) but actually I realise now it's not important.
I am now a fan of his and I cheer for him because he is a foreigner and I can actually tell him apart from the other contestants (and Boxer.. I can tell Boxer from the other contestants.. I guess he just owns like that).
I didn't know Zenio and IdrA had a history. I had suspected the only reason that idra stayed in game 1 for so long was because he was trying to compose himself long enough to say gg. The Idra I know would have rage quit way earlier, especially against a rival.
Zenio's "ceremony" was probably a bit overboard and inappropriate, but honestly, I loved it. I don't believe it puts Zenio on the same or lower level than IdrA, because IdrA instigated the situation. I'm not saying it absolves Zenio of any wrong-doing; just that I don't think he's as bad as IdrA.
just a little nerd justice, imo. the next time idra thinks about talking shit to someone on b.net, maybe he'll consider the possibility that they're going to kick the shit out of him on live TV and humiliate him. probably not though!
Obviously Grack deserves the little respect he gets in Korea, and no he doesn't have some master plan to be the villain of SC2, his behavior is just the reflection of an immature, passive aggressive kid with a fragile ego who's been sitting on the sidelines as a B-teams scrub for his programing career. People newer to esports and SC2 might think he's pretty awesome but he's actually not and the GSL has been a showcase for his lack of natural talent. I think us westerners need to be happy that we have naturally talented and respectful players like TLO representing in Korea when you look at the alternative (Grack).
And Zenio seems a bit of a douche but that was a great bitchslap at the end of the series.
Everyone is missing the clear fact that idra is just being rudely immature when he loses on ladder, then tries to act GM in interviews, etc. Two-Faced people are easily transparent, he should just take it much more seriously than he already is. If he wants to be "BM" he can do it in a much more respectable sportsman ship manner. (You can be bm without blatantly racist and childish shit and it can be entertaining)
Most importantly, he needs to swallow his pride and get some help from people a lot more so he doesn't get so outclassed in these GSL runs, zenio completely dominated and came prepared.
I think people are really overreacting with this. StarCraft seems to be overly sensitive to "BM", which people tend to consider anything that doesn't expressly indicate undying and eternal respect for everyone ever.
People have rivalries and feuds, especially in something as competitive as sports or eSports. Taking the occassional jab at a rival doesn't make you an asshole; Consistently demonstrating poor sportsmanship as a character trait does.
For everybody who is all of a sudden so anti-Zenio, grow the fuck up.
People saying Idra is garbage and can't win anything are seriously mistaken he made it to round 16 and has ZvZ matchup arguably the most random match up... just making it to round 16 is no easy task when you are playing the best in the world not to mention he won mlg and made it look easy I love how people act like Idra was talking shit directly to them when they see him "bm" so funny calm down people this shouldnt be an issue for zenio or idra I laugh everytime I see it.. classic Idra "apologize for playing that race" "you are probably the worst player I have ever played" ahhh good stuff
I love this "sc2 needs a villain" speech, but let me tell you that grack will never be that person. Monstruous skill, dominance, charisma, bad-ass look and above all justified arrogance are things idra is clearly lacking of. That villain, if he ever exists, will be a bonjwa. Now ask yourself, is grack fields bonjwa material ?
LOL @ ppl defending IdrA here... he deserves everything he gets from these Korean players, whom he has BM'ed before. No questions asked, hands down. period.
On October 31 2010 03:35 MK4512 wrote: Oh come on guys, he just moved his arm, its not a big deal at all.
You ever watched sports like basketball, football, hockey (especially), even soccer?
You'll see stuff 1000x more BM than an arm movement!
i tend to agree with this when it comes to zenio's gesture.
as for idra's BM, not only is there zero hard evidence that idra bm'd top koreans, there is absolutely no reason to believe a bunch of random nobodies on some korean forum got bm'd and called kimchiman by idra. how is someone that high on the ladder hitting all the random noobs?
On October 31 2010 03:35 MK4512 wrote: Oh come on guys, he just moved his arm, its not a big deal at all.
You ever watched sports like basketball, football, hockey (especially), even soccer?
You'll see stuff 1000x more BM than an arm movement!
i tend to agree with this when it comes to zenio's gesture.
as for idra's BM, not only is there zero hard evidence that idra bm'd top koreans, there is absolutely no reason to believe a bunch of random nobodies on some korean forum got bm'd and called kimchiman by idra. how is someone that high on the ladder hitting all the random noobs?
zero evidence? there is over 9000 evidence that IdrA has been bm'ing top korean players, go look at oGsGon interviews and now Zenio's celebration and interview as well.
i didn't say zero evidence. reading comprehension. i said hard evidence, as in a replay or a screenshot. idra very might well have bm'd them given his personality, but we don't know for sure and shouldn't get worked up over things that might have been said months ago.
On October 31 2010 11:14 taintmachine wrote: i didn't say zero evidence. reading comprehension. i said hard evidence, as in a replay or a screenshot. idra very might well have bm'd them given his personality, but we don't know for sure and shouldn't get worked up over things that might have been said months ago.
Pal, you probably don't notice or choose not to notice arrogant posts and downplaying of fellow players constantly displayed by Idra even on here, if you still want a hard evidence. There's so much evidence, that you are really behind, nobody, including Idra, is going to deny the fact that he BMs players.
The latest Idra BMs on here got him banned for his posts regarding Werra clan, I think. Also, he said that Loner is a second rate player. I wonder if he still thinks F91 is second rate, or rather, what he thinks of himself - is he any better than Loner's level (i.e. second rate)?
On October 31 2010 02:34 Chma wrote: Show nested quote +
And your points is that because FBH has done unprofessional stuff when winning live in the past, it's OK to do it?
I'm not saying IdrA isn't/hasn't been bad mannered, but doing sh*t like this on live TV is so friggin un-classy, doesn't matter who he's insulting.
/Chma
Edit: It's funny how people praise Zenio for bm'ing IdrA, when alot of people "hate" IdrA for bm'ing. Failed logic right there my friends.. Unless you think "but mom, he started it" is a valid reason.
First of all, no one hates Idra. You give his influence too much credit. As for Zenio bm'ing Idra, it makes total sense. Someone we dislike gets dissed, and it makes us happy. As pointed out, the difference between Zenio and Idra is that Idra talks trash when he loses, trying to salvage his fragile ego, while Zenio does it when he wins.
On October 31 2010 03:26 Incognoto wrote: Zenio sucks. He can't say Ihdra is BM on Bnet and then pull a stunt like that in front of an audience. It's like saying "it's bad to hunt rabbits with a scoped sniper" and then grenade launching the poor critters instead.
I used to dislike Ihdra because of his flames (towards drewbie and silver :p) but actually I realise now it's not important.
I am now a fan of his and I cheer for him because he is a foreigner and I can actually tell him apart from the other contestants (and Boxer.. I can tell Boxer from the other contestants.. I guess he just owns like that).
Your analogy is so terrible. Zenio didn't actually say "it's bad to hunt rabbits," it was more akin to saying "you shot some of my rabbits so I'll shoot you." Aka he gave payback. If Idra wants to run his mouth then he should be ready to face the consequences.
And your last paragraph is also stupid to no end. So you're cheering for Idra because of the color of his skin and because the other contestants have black hair? I don't even know what to say. Stop being ignorant?
Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
Zenio is simply a duchebag. BM in non-official ladder games (or in closed beta lolwtf?) is one thing. BMing on TV and naming someone direct in a interview something else.
On October 31 2010 12:11 kirkybaby wrote: Wow. All this confirms that people on this forum are hypersensitive probably as a result of overzealous moderation.
Oh no! A disrespectful hand gesture! Heavens to Betsy! Where are the manners?!?
but was it needed? In beta? I mean sure IdrA is used to bm like crazy but... Z still butt hurt from beta? It just seems a little much too have a grudge about that for this long.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY.
Yet you see him getting banned for trash talking on forums.. what he said about the werra clan didn't sound professional at all..
in my eyes, Zenio GAINED a fan. I was already kinda a fan, but for someone to finally step up to idra's bullshit in a live setting, maybe it will humble the little nerd and make him realize when he talks shit to all these people on bnet, someday he might actually meet them in person and his 5'2 120lbs mouth wont be able to talk as much shit.
Idra deserved this, no one should be defending him.
Thats the thing that pisses me off most about Idra.. He is this big badass on Bnet, but in live settings he is the most timid, shy nerd you'll ever see in pro gaming. At least BM players before him like Elky or FBH would maintain their personality in live settings. That deserves more respect than just doing it online.
I've wanted non-korean players to win, but Zenio made a lot of fun xD Idra, get this! BMing online but being "perfect man"at the lan is a pro skill, ofc... )
On October 31 2010 12:11 kirkybaby wrote: Wow. All this confirms that people on this forum are hypersensitive probably as a result of overzealous moderation.
Oh no! A disrespectful hand gesture! Heavens to Betsy! Where are the manners?!?
While I disagree with the overzealous moderation, I do agree this latest round of crying over bm seems a little over the top. I usually am on the other side when arguing about bm. But this is the sort of stuff I don't really mind. Idra dishes it out; Idra can handle it. (I do still mind the FPS trash talking, the WWE ridiculous stuff, or the Jerry Springer mentality.) But this is fine.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
Someone could easily be offended by both equally. Getting a "fuck you" from a random BN scrub is different than from someone who plays seriously and is well known. Higher conduct is expected from these players because it is becoming of the game and the scene. So your real life vs game example doesn't make sense to me. Zenio didn't say "fuck you" in real life. I don't know what idra mouthed off exactly but he probably said something along those lines in game. Zenio was pumped after schooling him and it was completely appropriate, I need to go watch the whole second game now!
On November 01 2010 04:52 infinity2k9 wrote: I think its funny most people who support IdrA joined in 2010. Everyone else is already aware of his shit.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
when someone only BMs over the internet while another is not afraid to stand up to that person in real life.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
when someone only BMs over the internet while another is not afraid to stand up to that person in real life.
which one has real balls? please it's obvious.
this isnt about who has balls. its about bm. you're totally off topic.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
or we can use examples that actually happened? "fucking kimchi man" vs GTFO bitchslap gesture
idra's being most likely unprovoked and zenios' being a response to bitch-made behavior.
stop letting people get away with acting like cunts just because it's on bnet.
On October 30 2010 10:18 nodq wrote: Wow... people care so much about such stupid things, unbelievable. And so much People are just hypocrites when the ytalk about how bad it is to be "BM" on Battle.Net blaaa... Whats the Problem... IdrA says what hes thinking, and very often its true what hes talking about, even if its BM or not true, its on BN... as if no one ohter here have ever felt angry after cheese or whatever. IdrA talks about it in Chat... yeah, maybe its not okay sometimes, right. But why do People care so much?
Beeing an Asshole on Television with Gestures like this is really much more kind of stupidness than anything elese. Ive never seen IdrA beeing BM at all on TV in SC2. He became much more professional last Days/Weeks. So that hes actually working on his deficits, does not count? Im sure everyone here is Perfect as a Human beeing!
And talking in Interviews about his own Chances vs others... then losing instead of winning like he thought and THEN People laughing at him and talking bullshit about him etc. and claiming that they have more insight in the Game as he does blabla? Common guys... he may be arrogant, maybe hes just rational. Unbelievable how intolerant People are.... srsly.
btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.
I dont get why ppl care so much about such stuff, sigh.
What are you smoking? You want to know why IdrA doesn't BM on TV?? He doesn't have the guts to do so. Simple as that. He is more comfortable BMing people hiding behind the monitor where nobody could touch him. That is called a coward. Non-important environment? According to you then I guess no need to respect people online? Everywhere you go there is social custom attached to it. You don't get to decide where to be polite or not.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
or we can use examples that actually happened? "fucking kimchi man" vs GTFO bitchslap gesture
idra's being most likely unprovoked and zenios' being a response to bitch-made behavior.
stop letting people get away with acting like cunts just because it's on bnet.
dam i didn't know idra said that.. that's actually kind of racist. but in his defense do any of us actually know idra? you know people bm just for fun?, but then again i would expect a amateur to say that, not a player of idra's caliber. If idra was serious then i guess he did deserve it, but if he was just fucking around, like me and my friends do, then zenio must of misunderstood.
^ don't try to show sympathy just because you are caucasian. IDra has been BM and swearing at many players in bnet. ITs not just Bm, its blatant swearing and racist comments.
as stated earlier in this thread, it doesn't matter if his ladder attitude differs from his real life attitude. in this case it doesn't differ.
You don't get to choose when to be BM or be rude and expect to get away with it.(coward on bnet) There are consequences. The situation in korea is different. Netizen comments are taken seriously e.g actresses suicide frequently due to harsh netizen comments. Grow up no more immaturity and be more responsible ,nothing's a joke on the korean internet.
more examples include idra calling makaprime a F^%$ing cheater.
How can anyone hate on Zenio for that? I've seen like a dozen posts from people saying shit like, "I've lost all respect for Zenio now..."
That was awesome! I'd love to see more rivalries like this. It's hardly disrespectful or poor sportsmanship. It's a nice change from the usual expressionless outcomes.
On October 31 2010 13:30 koolaid1990 wrote: Zenio you just lost a FAN. I respected you, but that BM WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SURE IDRA BMED LIKE CRAZY IN BETA, BUT HE HAS GROWN ALOT PROFESSIONALY. Beta was a long time ago, Idra is much more mature and we barely see idra rage. BM in real life is NOT acceptable compared to online. Especially when that bm was ages ago.
While he has lost a fan for....bm inappropriately with a ceremony? He has gained many more for it.
Idra much more mature now? Nah. Bm online behind a screen is more acceptabl than bm in real life?
If someone said "fuck you" on the internet and "fuck you" in real life which one would you take more serious? please its obvious.
when someone only BMs over the internet while another is not afraid to stand up to that person in real life.
which one has real balls? please it's obvious.
this isnt about who has balls. its about bm. you're totally off topic.
my comment was about bm. I'm pointing out that your analogy is flawed. Stop defending him just because he only does it over bnet. the only reason he doesn't do it in real life is because he knows there will be consequences. zenio does a little gesture and the idra fans flip out. Heck I doubt idra even cares about this.
The "Bad Manners" in question here is that brief clip in the .gif where Zenio hits the side of the booth in a moment of celebratory excitement?
EDIT: I see that it's a backhand "slap." A bit more than it seemed to me at first. Still... IdrA is a tool to people. He can't expect that nobody is going to return the favour.
I'm not in favour of this sort of thing in any sport; but it's not like IdrA is some nice kid out on his first tourney who is suddenly BM'd into oblivion for no reason. What goes around comes around.
On November 01 2010 09:44 tournamentnow wrote: ^ don't try to show sympathy just because you are caucasian. IDra has been BM and swearing at many players in bnet. ITs not just Bm, its blatant swearing and racist comments.
as stated earlier in this thread, it doesn't matter if his ladder attitude differs from his real life attitude. in this case it doesn't differ.
You don't get to choose when to be BM or be rude and expect to get away with it.(coward on bnet) There are consequences. The situation in korea is different. Netizen comments are taken seriously e.g actresses suicide frequently due to harsh netizen comments. Grow up no more immaturity and be more responsible ,nothing's a joke on the korean internet.
more examples include idra calling makaprime a F^%$ing cheater.
When and for what reason would he call maka a cheater? I havent yet heard idra accuse anyone of cheating.
IdrA BMing when he loses is one thing (like ragequitting, it's hardly offensive), but BMing after you win is totally different. I don't like it. You've already won, the game is over. BMing in real life, too, that's different. No matter how you see IdrA, if you hate his because of his BM abilities, then you should hate it when somebody BM's in general, as in this situation.
Idra had this coming... idra already has bad reputation amongst the korean gaming community Idra apparently has really bad manners on the korean ladder and apparently he made several "racist comments" against korean pro gamers (if you read the korean comments below the playxp article you will understand)
but still Zenio shouldn't have done that infront of the camera... i guess he didn't realize that a lot of people watch gsl all across the globe.. he basically ruined his reputation by doing that gesture ._.
he basically ruined his reputation by doing that gesture ._.
Nonsense, everybody loves when BM-people get put back in their place. First in game, then just to make sure he understands, a little gesture, reminding everyone who's superior.
he basically ruined his reputation by doing that gesture ._.
Nonsense, everybody loves when BM-people get put back in their place. First in game, then just to make sure he understands, a little gesture, reminding everyone who's superior.
And if Idra fanboy's can't cope, well, tough.
Now there's just another BM-person to get dramatic about. I can understand his excitement and how good it must feel to beat someone who's BM'd you or your friends, but there was no need to make that gesture of 'superiority'. I liked the BW scene more, personally, where there was a humble air about it (except FBH, rofl).
On November 01 2010 15:49 ReminiscentFate wrote: Idra had this coming... idra already has bad reputation amongst the korean gaming community Idra apparently has really bad manners on the korean ladder and apparently he made several "racist comments" against korean pro gamers (if you read the korean comments below the playxp article you will understand)
I would be really surprised if Idra made any racist comments so I call bullshit on this one until I see proof. And "Idra had this coming" haha. Do you think he even gives an inch of a fuck about some guy doing a silly ceremony?
idra just gave the people a good exuse to not help him and without proper support from a team he wont make it far.sad he doesnt want to understand this
Glad he put Idra in his place. I don't understand why a 80lb kid like Idra thinks he can talk shit with no consequences, he's gonna learn manners the hard way.
Some people so over sensitive. I also find it funny how Idra only ever is badmannered online but never in real life.. while apparently for zenio it is opposite or atleast in real life aswell. Zenio obviously way balla + his hair is red, have you seen that shit? Idra just a psuedo balla, doesnt smack talk irl.. perhaps its cause hes a skinny nerd but I doubt anything would get physical anyway..
If the bad mannerism on Idra's behalf was on bnet only, responding physically in a live show is a strong answer. But even if Idra did not deserve the "ceremony", I think that it is understandable from Zenio's point of view..
On November 01 2010 15:49 ReminiscentFate wrote: Idra had this coming... idra already has bad reputation amongst the korean gaming community Idra apparently has really bad manners on the korean ladder and apparently he made several "racist comments" against korean pro gamers (if you read the korean comments below the playxp article you will understand)
I would be really surprised if Idra made any racist comments so I call bullshit on this one until I see proof. And "Idra had this coming" haha. Do you think he even gives an inch of a fuck about some guy doing a silly ceremony?
IdrA has no emotions...
Personally I used to like IdrA for being a funny BMer, but after seeing Zenio BMing him I don't like Idra. He must have been really bad to have someone 'passionately' BM him.
I respect for Zenio doing that and as of this match. Idra is no longer on my favourites list. But I do respect all those people that say that Zenio was out of place but seriously I also get passionate to do things like BMing a BMer.
Lol it's no wonder IdrA didn't join a Korean team like oGs after leaving CJ and went to EG instead. They would never accept him. Especially if he's not only insulted their members, but the leader as well. GL Grack getting quality practice through laddering alone.
Haha great interview, glad Idra didn't advance, this way he doesn't have a chance at a S-Class seed. The ceremony was hilarious, I think people take this too seriously. Idra could respond if he cared about it enough
sorry for posting guys, but I've searched last 6 pages and first 3, and the only thing I found was "fucking kimchi man". Can someone please provide the BM quotes from the game? Just curious, and GOMtv lags badly for me, so cant even check 1 game :/
On November 01 2010 15:49 ReminiscentFate wrote: Idra had this coming... idra already has bad reputation amongst the korean gaming community Idra apparently has really bad manners on the korean ladder and apparently he made several "racist comments" against korean pro gamers (if you read the korean comments below the playxp article you will understand)
I would be really surprised if Idra made any racist comments so I call bullshit on this one until I see proof. And "Idra had this coming" haha. Do you think he even gives an inch of a fuck about some guy doing a silly ceremony?
IdrA gives a fuck to everyone who defeated him. do you need proof of that too?
Suck it up IdrA, it doesn't matter who's the better gamer if you can't even learn some proper manners.
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
The difference is that he didn't start BM everyone due to a childish brain development, and the only person he did that was Idra, while Idra does that to everyone >.> It's like saying a cop who shoots a murderer is in the same class as the murderer.
oGsZenio played nicely so far, he exploited Idra's glaring weakness and imho really deserved those wins.
On October 30 2010 00:15 Razyel wrote: i bet that Zenio didnt came with strategy for sure more mind for involved here.
Um, what?...anyways, zenio responds to BM from Beta with a physical gesture? That's not professional at all, so he has no right to speak about what idra has done.
what do you mean he has no right to speak about what Idra has done to HIM during beta haven't you ever seen firebathero from BW people have done insulting celebrations before, it's not like this is the first time for it to happen on live TV
Well he is now in the same category as idra. He responded to BM with more, arguably worse BM
Lol, yes, obviously that was worst :p
Definitely not my favorite player, sorry. I think I like Idra better :p It seems to me that IdrA is more a straight forward person than a BM person.
mad props to zenio. don't talk about idra only bming on bnet, if you know anything of his previous BM on the orginal (failed without blizzard propups, sabotaged by kespa, etc.) GOM league incident
This is hilarious, so it's okay for idra to disrespect players when it's his opinion that they are bad? Rofl. When is it ever okay to disrespect anybody? I don't know why idra fans are getting butthurt. You think idra is going to stop BM? The difference between a tool and a human being is when they understand that it's wrong to do something, they stop doing it. idra knows his bm and disrespectful behaviors are wrong, but he doesn't stop. Geez people, grow some brain.
I honestly don't understand what the problem is... Idra BMs all the time, Zenio BMed him back. End of story. I'm sure they'll both move on from it... so should we.
MLG: One more question for you. HuK had a show-stopping moment in the Losers Bracket Finals when he went for a Mothership rush. Does Huk's bravado earn a thumbs up or thumbs down from you?
Idra: It was absolutely idiotic. This is first and foremost a competition. No one can say with a straight face that he felt that Mothership rush was his best chance to win the game. Fan service is great, without the fans we wouldn't exist, but the fans are there to watch SC2, not WWE. It cheapens the tournament to do something like that.
For instance, when Idra responded with that. That's BM. It may be true, but he could have responded in a nicer manner, or at least gave some humor. He's too uptight. Nonetheless, I love BM. It builds competition, but also creates huge rivalries. What if the yankees and redsox rivalry didn't exist?
On October 30 2010 04:27 MrBGJM wrote: worst BM ive seen ever in esports. so much disrespect. To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that. This guy needs a smack across the face imo.
and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\
Wow, what a surprise you joined this month, this is so wrong
Okay listen
Do you know who the Rock or Jaedong is? Did you see the end of that game?
Do you know that Idra is the most bm person alive
if that's the worst BM you've ever seen in esports, you must hate the shit out of FBH, learn the history
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. I got a good chuckle when I saw it, but it was so quick that I almost missed it.
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