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[Interview] GSL2 Ro16 Winner of Zenio vs IdrA - Page 6

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Mortecian
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada87 Posts
October 29 2010 17:59 GMT
#101
Haha, great retort, Choirdrunk.
Choirdrunk
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada131 Posts
October 29 2010 18:03 GMT
#102
On October 30 2010 02:57 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 02:54 Choirdrunk wrote:
On October 30 2010 02:48 TheAntZ wrote:
On October 30 2010 02:33 Herculix wrote:
why do people care so much?


Seriously. Maybe I dont read the sc2 forums enough but how do you guys manage to care about something so tame enough to write complex arguments for or against it? what the fuck men.


Ever been a fan of a sports team? It's the exact same thing except SC involves logic, game theory, math, introspection, practice, and the theoretical opportunity for a normal guy to succeed even if he isn't born 6'6 and 300 lbs or with the ability to run a 4.4 40.

Is rooting for a sports team the most productive use of a person's time? No. Is discussing whether Giselle is ruining both the Patriots and Tom Brady's hair really a mature topic? No. Is it fun? Yes.

Since you have over 4100 posts I'm actually a bit surprised to hear anti-obsession talk coming from you. "Oh, but dudes, I talk about Starcraft stuff that matters!!!" ... yeah, ok there tiger.


But i do. i post regularly in the nada's body thread.


Any serious analysis of Nada's body requires at least 5000 posts. You'll get there one day newbie.
Wawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States215 Posts
October 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#103
Maybe there's a bet in the oGs house that he can finally change his hair color if he beats idra.

On a more serious note, it was a great match.
Both games weren't the usual ZvZ that we see.

I was so happy that those matches happened.
I'm pretty sure NA will adapt that corruption build.

Still sad that grack lost..
www.youtube.com/wawastarcraft
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 29 2010 18:10 GMT
#104
Idra, to me, has always been a terrible person and a long-time BM'er. Zenio did the right thing because he wanted to retaliate for his friends in the OGS clan whom Idra also BM'ed in the past. It exasperates me when fanboys keep clamouring to Idra's defense by saying Zenio is BM too; Zenio had the right to express what he and other Koreans feel towards Idra lately.

It is way too late now, and Idra's continued arrogance is not getting him anywhere in the SC2 proscene. So please don't be so surprised if Idra receives more BM retaliation in the future; he totally deserves it for his own actions.

Idra, if you are reading this, treat other people with more respect, like Slayers'Boxer. Just because you thought you were the best in the SC2 beta, does not give you the right to look down on others. You should have taken Rekrul's advice LONG AGO; yes, I read that very old thread posted by him about your excuses for the loss against China's F91. -_- Grow up already.
Member of the "Afrotoss be rapin" crew ! Join now by copy/pasting this - || - I do not play BW or SC2, but I am a rabid fanboy! =D
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
October 29 2010 18:17 GMT
#105
On October 30 2010 02:17 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't think a lot of you are understanding the meaning behind Zenio's gestures towards Idra. His point is that Idra was really condescending and didn't respect Zenio. Why wouldn't he respect Zenio? Because Idra implies that Zenio isn't good. Now Zenio beat Idra 2-0. So it is somewhat sarcastic/mocking Idra in the way that he BMs Idra. Kinda like "Look, you BM'ed and lost, look at me, I can BM too! hur hur!!". Its not that he's saying "HEY YO MAN, SUCK A DICK!". He's BM'ing in a way that is meant to show how silly Idra's BM is.


Basically this, from what it sounds like Idra's basically been BMing Zenio's entire clan, not to mention himself, as well as beating his captain(coach? ?) in the previous round. Zenio's BM isn't to BM, it's to make Idra shut up, after all he did just get resoundingly beaten 2-0.

I really don't get how anyone can defend Idra's BM if you're an American esports fan. He's basically the only real American presence right now in the GSLs and do you really want the image of your country to be represented by a guy who badmouths everyone on the ladder and has basically made an enemy of a huge number of Koreans? This isn't like the NA ladder where your opponent might be some moose-hunter from Alaska or some retiree down from Florida, in Korea word of his antics spread fast.

Now, TLO, there's a guy much more suited to representing the western foreign scene.
MrHeckOne
Profile Joined October 2010
Costa Rica23 Posts
October 29 2010 18:18 GMT
#106
imo, BM is no good, no matter if its on Sports or eSports. If you win, take the win and walk happy. If you are at the losing end, learn and grow. "Hating" the other party takes you no where and might cloud your vision. We should learn more from our Asian friends about politeness and being courteous.
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
October 29 2010 18:21 GMT
#107
BM.... lol the whole concept is so EMO.

I agree with players doing whatever they want if its within the rules.
Zyphen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 18:25:41
October 29 2010 18:24 GMT
#108
On October 30 2010 03:10 cocoa_sg wrote:
Idra, to me, has always been a terrible person and a long-time BM'er. Zenio did the right thing because he wanted to retaliate for his friends in the OGS clan whom Idra also BM'ed in the past. It exasperates me when fanboys keep clamouring to Idra's defense by saying Zenio is BM too; Zenio had the right to express what he and other Koreans feel towards Idra lately.

It is way too late now, and Idra's continued arrogance is not getting him anywhere in the SC2 proscene. So please don't be so surprised if Idra receives more BM retaliation in the future; he totally deserves it for his own actions.

Idra, if you are reading this, treat other people with more respect, like Slayers'Boxer. Just because you thought you were the best in the SC2 beta, does not give you the right to look down on others. You should have taken Rekrul's advice LONG AGO; yes, I read that very old thread posted by him about your excuses for the loss against China's F91. -_- Grow up already.


LOL. I remember that. I wasn't a TL forum goer at the time since SC2 hadn't come out yet (and I got drawn in by certain casters). Someone linked it though at another board and it was hilarious:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342

It almost seems like deja vu. Same ol' shit.
Choirdrunk
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada131 Posts
October 29 2010 18:26 GMT
#109
On October 30 2010 03:17 Krigwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 02:17 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't think a lot of you are understanding the meaning behind Zenio's gestures towards Idra. His point is that Idra was really condescending and didn't respect Zenio. Why wouldn't he respect Zenio? Because Idra implies that Zenio isn't good. Now Zenio beat Idra 2-0. So it is somewhat sarcastic/mocking Idra in the way that he BMs Idra. Kinda like "Look, you BM'ed and lost, look at me, I can BM too! hur hur!!". Its not that he's saying "HEY YO MAN, SUCK A DICK!". He's BM'ing in a way that is meant to show how silly Idra's BM is.


Basically this, from what it sounds like Idra's basically been BMing Zenio's entire clan, not to mention himself, as well as beating his captain(coach? ?) in the previous round. Zenio's BM isn't to BM, it's to make Idra shut up, after all he did just get resoundingly beaten 2-0.

I really don't get how anyone can defend Idra's BM if you're an American esports fan. He's basically the only real American presence right now in the GSLs and do you really want the image of your country to be represented by a guy who badmouths everyone on the ladder and has basically made an enemy of a huge number of Koreans? This isn't like the NA ladder where your opponent might be some moose-hunter from Alaska or some retiree down from Florida, in Korea word of his antics spread fast.

Now, TLO, there's a guy much more suited to representing the western foreign scene.


Totally agree. I think there are quite a few of us hoping TLO can take over the mantle. Even many of us North Americans would be exceedingly happy with a European like TLO representing the West. The Koreans love TLO too.

That being said, if IdrA gained some humility, embraced the culture (both Korean and SC), learned from his mistakes, gained respect and then kicked some ass, I imagine it'd be the kind of story that could make a man a legend.
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
October 29 2010 18:29 GMT
#110
Way to go Zenio! He's become my second favorite zerg after FD (replacing Check).

Of course Idra can't do anything without a team/coach. He seems to be doing everything alright but his timings are very sloppy.
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
October 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#111
Lol, IdrA need to work hard for a REVENGE !!!
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
October 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#112
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote:
IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.

He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.

Great post.

I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is:
1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.)
2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg)
3. ...
...

Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"

With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.
LastActionHero
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany29 Posts
October 29 2010 18:38 GMT
#113
I like Zenio, his hair is cool
K.I.Z - best rap music of all time!
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
October 29 2010 18:46 GMT
#114
People get so upset about BM, I don't get it. If anything its amusing, not something to get angry about and take sides on.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
October 29 2010 18:49 GMT
#115
Judo Chop!

It was a fun game to watch, glad Zenio showed some emotion. BM is such a touchy subject, everything seems to be BM that is out of the norm. Maka self nuking himself in a game was probably worse imo.

I <3 the oGs-TL team and am glad they are having a strong showing again.
Brood War forever!
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 18:56:11
October 29 2010 18:50 GMT
#116
On October 30 2010 00:25 Snowfield wrote:
I liek the gosugamer translation better

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/637083-zenio-idra-don-t-be-a-dick

Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention.
A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.


yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-

anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.

Q: Your ceremony is making buzz.
+ Show Spoiler +

A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.


이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다.
▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.

▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
October 29 2010 18:56 GMT
#117
On October 30 2010 00:44 Jombozeus wrote:
For context, IdrA BM'ed the entire oGs team.
oGsGon has stated that sometime before, correct me if I'm wrong.

You dont go to someone's country, diss their best pro-team, and expect not to get retaliated.

I think this is the case too. It's not necessary that there's bad blood between IdrA and Zenio, but between IdrA and some random oGs members.

Hell, maybe because IdrA kept BM Terran that Terran players in oGs got annoyed, and you know what happens in those practice house, words travel fast.

IdrA just got what he deserves.

JQL
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
October 29 2010 18:58 GMT
#118
What zenio did is not smart at all (at least dont do it in public), in my opinion, he made Koreans look bad. He made SC2 and E-sports look like trash.
no way
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
October 29 2010 19:09 GMT
#119
On October 30 2010 03:32 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote:
IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.

He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.

Great post.

I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is:
1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.)
2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg)
3. ...
...

Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"

With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.


In BW, where IdrA played T, he was always complaining about toss OP rofl...
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 29 2010 19:12 GMT
#120
GG Zenio. I welcome his personality, as well as Idra's.
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