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ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
October 29 2010 19:18 GMT
#121
Why is there such a big controversy over the BM??

Haven't we learned to love FBH's antics by now? Or is this just an SC2 thing o.O
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 19:19:43
October 29 2010 19:19 GMT
#122
I would like to see an ultimate fight between Idra and this guy, it would be 10x more fun than watching them, than in SC2.
Mintastic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States166 Posts
October 29 2010 19:22 GMT
#123
On October 30 2010 03:50 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 00:25 Snowfield wrote:
I liek the gosugamer translation better

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/637083-zenio-idra-don-t-be-a-dick

Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention.
A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.


yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-

anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.

Show nested quote +
Q: Your ceremony is making buzz.
+ Show Spoiler +

A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.


이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다.
▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.

▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.

I think I like your translation the best. Gonna root for Zenio more now that I know he has some personality. Although his celebration needs more work, maybe he should talk to FBH for some pointers.
테징징
Choirdrunk
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 19:33:39
October 29 2010 19:26 GMT
#124
Just finished reading the old Rekrul thread and it seems like all these issues about IdrA are old hat and everyone, even his friends in the thread, seemed to agree with the content if not the delivery.

Two theories for why an otherwise intelligent person would fail to correct his mistakes in the face of so much evidence.

1. Aspberger's Syndrome. I don't know IdrA on a personal level at all. I have seen interviews. He seems too high functioning to have Aspberger's in his recent interviews but it's possible and would explain many of the characteristics his frenemies seem to agree upon.

2. Insecurity without resolution. I've both lived a part of this and seen it amongst some of the kids at university and grad school. Not uncommon amongst kids at the top schools.

You start life different. More introverted than most kids. Maybe physically smaller. Maybe significantly better at certain subjects, like math, than kids your age group. You're seen as "weird" or "nerdy." You learn to wall yourself off from society, become exceedingly cautious when interacting with new people, begin assuming people will be mean or hurtful. I was that kid. Maybe he was too?

This would help explain why the only people we know to be IdrA's friends, rather than just his fans, are yes-men like Artosis who he would never feel unsafe around (watch the Artosis-IdrA interview before the first IEM if you question whether this is the relationship). It would also explain why Rekrul mentioned IdrA never had any romantic interactions prior to a 2008 or 2009 visit to Korea. (I'm not saying this last part to be hurtful, I'm saying it because, if true, such a fact would have a remarkable impact on a young man's view of himself. Not getting laid or having a girlfriend makes a lot of young men feel like they are failures ... which some compensate for by exuding arrogance and finding undue validation in things like ... well, Starcraft. So a loss isn't simply a loss. It's another indication regarding one's lack of value). And, yes, IdrA is skinny and a nerd but he's nowhere near unattractive enough to have that be the reason for his not having a girlfriend ever. He definitely falls into the 95% of men that "have a chance if..."

Problem is, only way to solve the problem, is to 1. recognize its a problem; and then 2. treat it like you would any other problem (i.e., rationally assess the issue, examine potential solutions, process the superior solutions. And you treat your failures just as dispassionately. If you get a calc problem wrong, you figure out what you did wrong. If you try to get it on with a cute brunette that rejects you, you figure out what you did wrong. Hit the reset button, play again. Crying "(girls) imba" or "s/he's dumb" is as valid a strategy in Starcraft as it is in your social life ... which means, not at all). Which, because it involves initially painful introspection, is harder than it sounds.

So, basically, in order for IdrA to become a well rounded individual capable of appropriate introspection and, subsequently, the ability to become one of the best pro-gamers, it sounds like we need to get him a girlfriend or we need to convince him to engage in the process of effective socializing. Who's up for flying to Korea and whipping this kid into shape?
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
October 29 2010 19:27 GMT
#125
worst BM ive seen ever in esports.
so much disrespect.
To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that.
This guy needs a smack across the face imo.

and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\
Slakkoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1119 Posts
October 29 2010 19:28 GMT
#126
Answering BM with BM is BM.
Zenio should just be a man and say "Like I care if he BM's me, I beat him".
I lost my respect for Zenio
bosu001
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 19:38:59
October 29 2010 19:36 GMT
#127
On October 30 2010 03:50 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 00:25 Snowfield wrote:
I liek the gosugamer translation better

http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread/637083-zenio-idra-don-t-be-a-dick

Q: Your gesture after the game received a lot of attention.
A: IdrA had no respect on B.net and I got to know his personality during Beta. My gesture was to tell him to stop being being a dick.


yeah and the gosugamer translation is blatantly wrong -_-

anyway this is one reason i'm sensitive to accuracy of translations.

Show nested quote +
Q: Your ceremony is making buzz.
+ Show Spoiler +

A: IdrA has been very impolite on BN so I do this to ask him to watch his mouth. He was BM to me during the Beta.


이기고 나서 세리모니가 이슈가 되고 있다.
▲ 평소에 배틀넷에서 그렉 필즈 선수가 매너도 없고 해서 까불지 말라라는 뜻으로 한 번 해봤다. 클로즈베타때 나도 당해봐서 하게 됐다. 세리모니는 세리모니일 뿐이다. 잘 봐주셨으면 좋겠다.

▲ Because Greg Fields does not have any manners on battle.net, so I did the ceremony to tell him to don't mess with people. I've been victimized to his bm during the Closed Beta, which motivated me to do this. In the end, however, a ceremony is only a ceremony, and I hope you all watched it well.


This is the best translation!!
i'm korean.
i cant speak english
but i can read it
this TR is perpect!



anyway, i am sorry for Zenio's celemony
many korean blamed his act.
and i'm sorry, IdrA
we really love foreign player! and love IdrA
though IdrA has BM, but we like his playing
cheer up IdrA
i look foward to see you GSL3season
Peace and Love
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
October 29 2010 19:39 GMT
#128
i really like that oGs uniform.
what quote?
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
October 29 2010 19:39 GMT
#129
On October 30 2010 04:09 leveller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 03:32 Xxavi wrote:
On October 30 2010 02:42 Zyphen wrote:
IdrA's burned too many bridges to turn it around now. The players he mocked (and in the Beta of a NEW game no-less) weren't going to stay worse than him forever and are passing him by. He has an overinflated opinion of himself, propped up by fanboys who don't know any better. His weaknesses will become bigger and bigger because he doesn't recognize them as such. He makes excuses and blames the game instead of improving. He practices inside a pampered bubble without having his strategies challenged. He's got hundreds of enablers (called TL) that are pretty much "yes" men that don't question him. He'll be trapped in this rut of his own making.

He doesn't want any help. The first step to improving is admitting that you're not that great. And he's not going to get any because he alienated just about the entire pro scene in Korea.

Great post.

I agree entirely. When your excuse list for your loss is:
1. opponents strategy (making carriers is a great talent toi have, all in, fucking nooby cheesers etc.)
2. game imba (first terran, then protoss, now obviously has to be zerg)
3. ...
...

Does he have a reasoning like "hey may be I am not as good as I think?" or "I certainly suck at ZvP and ZvZ" or "I just played garbage, should improve?"

With such attitude, he will not improve much. He should wait for new patches to come out, in the meantime, whine about something.


In BW, where IdrA played T, he was always complaining about toss OP rofl...

I know. And you'd wonder why he never chooses the OP race.

Oh right, he has "self-respect"
Even TLO has it now
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
October 29 2010 19:40 GMT
#130
On October 30 2010 04:28 Slakkoo wrote:
Answering BM with BM is BM.
Zenio should just be a man and say "Like I care if he BM's me, I beat him".
I lost my respect for Zenio


basicly you say idra can do what he want but if someone bm him you loose respect? correct me if i am wrong please. but your just rooting for idra and that is ok......

i see zenio showing spontaneous emotions. and would he did it if he did not get bm by someone on the ladder? i dont think so my friend

paycheck baby. zenio doing bm like the big boys do it. at least thats what i see.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 29 2010 19:41 GMT
#131
Zenio was on Werra during the beta, no wonder IdrA bmed him.

I think Zenio won the first Korean beta tournament ever, as well.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 29 2010 19:45 GMT
#132
Wow you guys saying Idra being BM is terrible its no where near as bad as it was in BW. Also jesus people get mad when they lose there are a ton of people who do it that are at the top level way way worse then Idra does.

Also if you think Zenio's was the worst BM ever you should seriously watch Firebathehero is was 100 times worse then Zenio's lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
omg.deus
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Korea (South)150 Posts
October 29 2010 19:45 GMT
#133
im scared to be hit with that ceremony slap...he means business
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
October 29 2010 19:47 GMT
#134
Hahaha, that's such a boss ceremony.
Meeru
Profile Joined October 2010
18 Posts
October 29 2010 19:54 GMT
#135
On October 30 2010 03:58 JQL wrote:
What zenio did is not smart at all (at least dont do it in public), in my opinion, he made Koreans look bad. He made SC2 and E-sports look like trash.

Lol youtube firebathero and tell me if you have the same opinion
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
October 29 2010 19:59 GMT
#136
On October 30 2010 04:27 MrBGJM wrote:
worst BM ive seen ever in esports.
so much disrespect.
To get a "gg" from idra before he leaves a game in which he lost...and then do that.
This guy needs a smack across the face imo.

and i am not going to talk about that hair of his =\


Seriously? Ever hear of FBH? This was nowhere near close to the worst BM ever in esports lol
daheadhunter
Profile Joined April 2010
United States4 Posts
October 29 2010 20:00 GMT
#137
Idra has been extremely well mannered since retail.
We will fix it in post
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
October 29 2010 20:02 GMT
#138
On October 30 2010 05:00 daheadhunter wrote:
Idra has been extremely well mannered since retail.

bahaahaha<3

Both Zenio and IdrA are bosses. I love IdrA for telling it how it is and not concealing his rage, and I love Zenio for doing shit like that/standing up to him. Just enjoy the spectacle, folks. This is SC2 not SamuraiCraft.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
Tercotta
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada402 Posts
October 29 2010 20:05 GMT
#139
Wow. I am going to comment a little on the concept of BM here. Everyone needs to lighten up. Starcraft is so rigid with its focus on manners. During Dallas I want everyone to pop over and watch a Halo match while the SC is taking a break. Do they sit there and smile when they win and do they cheer, share high fives and make a little noise?

And that is nothing compared to real sport. Take any sport where they jump around when they score. My background is competitive fencing here in Canada. A sport where screaming to influence the referee is encouraged. Now I'm not advocating that a player shouts with joy every time they pick off a scouting SCV but let them act up somewhat. It's natural. Every single sport does it.

Is Zenio disrespectful? Hell no. He doesn't like Idra and he did a single gesture in celebration. Hockey players throw down and fight. This is nothing. Calm down. Starcraft needs to take the manner stick out of its ass and enjoy the conquering of your enemies.
Spoh
Profile Joined March 2007
United States57 Posts
October 29 2010 20:09 GMT
#140
Brings back memories of FBH celebrations. Nice.
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