EPTKeSPA and Gretech re-attempt negotiation - Page 5
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19327 Posts
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5778 Posts
On October 18 2010 23:04 MadNeSs wrote: why only one lawyer? Why not have one from both sides? That seems more fair imo. So that the verdict may be conclusive (doesn't mean they'll come to an agreement, though). | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
I took an MBA negotiations class as well. This seems fair to me. People with tinfoil hats just need a dose of reality. | ||
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rasmusm
Denmark11 Posts
As long that a firm owns the rights to play a game it is stupid to invest big money in making a good TV sport and build a community around it. Just think about how the football world would look if who ever made the fist ball owned all rights to the game. I dont think we would play it today. | ||
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Haster
Canada11 Posts
Blizzard will probably choose someone who is impartial but also determined to put an end to this. Blizzard does not want the bad press because it could hurt sc2 sales in the long run. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On October 18 2010 23:04 MadNeSs wrote: why only one lawyer? Why not have one from both sides? That seems more fair imo. That would be 3rd and 4th party arbitration.. doesn't work very well. More fair would be picking a 3rd party all sides agree on. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
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St. Fu
United States75 Posts
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Loc
United States15 Posts
On October 19 2010 02:49 St. Fu wrote: Lets hope this goes well. I can't imagine TL without a proleague. I mourn for your lack of imagination. | ||
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Excelsior
United States46 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
i m sure JK Rowling doesnt own 50% IP rights to Harry Potter movies or any merchandise that came out of the series except the books themselves. | ||
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ptz
Romania251 Posts
On October 19 2010 04:52 dybydx wrote: the fee or even a royalty based on % earning could arguably be fair demands from Blizz/Gretech, but the 50% ownership of IP is unreasonable. i m sure JK Rowling doesnt own 50% IP rights to Harry Potter movies or any merchandise that came out of the series except the books themselves. im sure jk rowling and any author for that matter sold those rights to those that made the movies, lol. What you just said is so dumb, it makes puppies in india cry. No one would even think of starting to shoot a movie, or sell merchandise without first getting the rights from the author whose books they are using. On October 19 2010 04:09 Excelsior wrote: Gretech is just wrong - ideally this would go to court and Gretech would lose their case horribly. The bigger issue is at hand is that Blizzard is making the outrageous assertion that they somehow own and have IP rights to any recording or broadcast of any game they sell. I mean can you imagine having a televised Risk tournament and having to pay Hasbro for essentially advertising their game for them? The whole Blizzard IP claim is just ridiculous, and if this kind of stuff isn't shot down early, it's going to develop into more and more draconian IP ownership claims by corporations in the future. Wow man that sure sounds like crazy. But just because it is crazy, no one would give a shit about watching or televising a risk tournament, so that is why your analogy seems so good. Actually its crap, because if somehow there would be risk tournaments, and televisions started to broadcast them and the ones that hold the tournaments would start to charge fees and make money, the creators of risk would show up to get their share before you can say zergling. | ||
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Meriones
43 Posts
If the Korean government is genuine about esports they should make an esports law that specifically prevents this from happening. Blizzard is basically violating the IP rights of Kespa/the players by claiming it is theirs. When kespa/OGN/MBS play music they have to pay royalties. These royalties are predetermined. Blizzard should receive the same kind of royalty. Blizzard can collect their minor royalty and stay put. If there is a ruling on this in the US then esports is dead. In the US all business laws were written not by politicians but by the corporations themselves. Then, the US was able to force these laws on other countries. If this happens we esports fans can only hope for one thing; for Blizzard to go bankrupt. There's still some talent there, though many have already left because they didn't like the artistic direction Blizzard was taking. Some people just couldn't because they have families to support. Only when Blizzard is no more other developers can hope to create an RTS game specifically designed for competitive play. Such a company, no matter if it is noname and without huge funds, can make a game that gives the competitive player everything they wish for. Like lan latency, making maphacking impossible, good maps, etc. Look at HoN. | ||
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battarro
United States59 Posts
On October 19 2010 04:09 Excelsior wrote: Gretech is just wrong - ideally this would go to court and Gretech would lose their case horribly. The bigger issue is at hand is that Blizzard is making the outrageous assertion that they somehow own and have IP rights to any recording or broadcast of any game they sell. I mean can you imagine having a televised Risk tournament and having to pay Hasbro for essentially advertising their game for them? The whole Blizzard IP claim is just ridiculous, and if this kind of stuff isn't shot down early, it's going to develop into more and more draconian IP ownership claims by corporations in the future. Do you have any idea about Copyright and IP laws work? Of course the creator has a big saying about how is his product used in derivative works. Let me put you an example. Music and dancing. Lets suppose you have an artist who creates a song, he goes and copyrights the song. Now a TV show such as MTV creates a TV series called "Do you think you can dance" where the contestant will dance to this song on their own unique ways, and the TV judges will judge them and give them prices. Now the show becomes incredibly successful because people love seeing silly dances. The TV show owners make millions(Kespa-TV Networks), the dancers make little money ( Players) and not a single penny goes to the creator of the song other than the cost of the CD(Blizzard). Are you saying this is correct/OK? A musician/artist has no saying, input or is not economically entitled to any benefit /use of his product, other than the original price for individual/ non commercial consumption? Lets say now that you are a christian artist, and you create an awesome beat. Turnout this beat is now used in porn movies because, it actually sound great and mixes well with people screwing each other. Now it is obvious that this is negative advertisement for his fan base since christian music followers are not to thrilled about porn music. So under your scenario this guy has no recourse to stop the porn company from using his soundtrack, effectively damaging his reputation / income base. Blizzard has a lot of rights deciding on how is his products used in a commercial setting. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
From what i heard, yes there is a period of validation. Also from what i ve heard, that period is extended by 20 years every 20 years, so practically, probably no. Battaro, i think there should be a distinction made between getting royalties and owning the IP right to the derivative work itself. Blizz should get its royalties, yes i think so too.. But as to the work itself (e.g Proleague games), SC:BW is merely a tool that's been purchased by the organiser in order for their competitors to showcase their skills, and from the tournament format to players to all else, none of this has anything to do with Blizzard.. So if the money paid for the game is considered not enough, then maybe they will be entitled some royalties. I dont think Blizz should be given so much power just because they created a tool among many others that contruct E-Sport as we know it today.. It sets a real bad precedence for other people who would want to organise tournaments or promote eSport, since they barely own half of their hardwork anyway, the other half belonged to some guy who already get paid, and is sitting around getting paid even more. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 18 2010 15:15 ComusLoM wrote: What better way to save Brood War than with an arbiter? This quote wins the thread. I'm really hoping that with neutral mediation, the negotiation can actually progress, instead of all of the previous dreadful trainwrecks masquerading as negotiations. | ||
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