KeSPA and Gretech re-attempt negotiation - Page 4

On October 18 2010 17:09 ShadeR wrote:


Question. Does Blizzard own Proleague MSL OSL? The teams? The players?

Yes?No?

There is a lot YET TO BE DETERMINED.

On October 18 2010 17:09 ShadeR wrote:


Question. Does Blizzard own Proleague MSL OSL? The teams? The players?

Yes?No?

There is a lot YET TO BE DETERMINED.

For fairness, the IP rights lawyer will be recommended by Blizzard

On October 18 2010 15:13 aimaimaim wrote:
I don't think people realize that right now its not about the money but about recognizing the IP rights of the game developer.

The way I see it:

If Gretech wins this, after a year or so, Blizzard can now leave gretech and get money straight from kespa and they can charge more and more until there isn't going to be PL. Think about it, If the rights are "recognized" then any game developer that has its product being used in Televised E-sports can charge big money for it. Making it very hard to organize leagues. Even if the leagues will continue, there will be cost cutting from the organizers until its dead. Both in Korea and in Abroad, because Blizzard is an american company.

what im saying that if gretech wins, it will be hard to have organized televised e-sports around the world.

If Kespa wins, then its all back to normal with steady progression. Outside korea, there are tons of SC2 tournaments. And with luck, foreign companies outside korea can have an impression that e-sports is a great way to advertise their products using SC2 tournaments to appeal to young adults! and maybe, just maybe, they may even create their own leagues! i mean seriously Coca Cola, an Air Liner supported by its Country (Korean Air), Gilette, Pringles, Shinhan Bank. All of these were companies were at one time or are still supporting, sponsoring leagues for games. and the current team in proleague doesn't have puny sponsor (not anymore)

also about people saying about "blizzard must get payed because its their product blah blah blah". No shit! kespa did a favor for them in BW. what im trying to say is that if blizzard isn't gonna get payed, its not like they are in the most losing end of the stick, their titles are being advertised every time flash drink his pocari sweat while raping jaedong using one hand. and about them being a being money whores because they are a company like every other company, who gives a shit? its not like anyone here has any stakes in blizzard if they lose money, but if you really think about it, they aren't LOSING MONEY.

people tend to think that this is just about SC2 and BW and about these two titles being the better game. Who the fuck cares? if blizzard wins, and kespa loses then there wont be leagues, and all you will see are a bunch of amateurs with a handful of gosus duking it out for a prize money that can amount to the salary they could get from a sponsored team if they are good enough.

On October 18 2010 16:41 shannn wrote:

I agree with most of your points that it could go in that direction.
But like you said Blizzard wants to earn the most money. So they need an E-Sports scene going on. If they kill the TV leagues then there won't be big money for them each tournament. So in that sense they can up the fees high but it will be less profit for them on the long term and profit is what they want so in other words if there's 1 thing they don't want then that is to make sure the Korean E-Sports scene is alive since that will make them most money on the long term.

On October 18 2010 16:22 Nu11 wrote:
for those saying it's unfair for blizzard to determine the IP rights lawyer, remember that it is KesPA who is performing the illegal actions here. The IP belongs to blizzard, that is already a fact, that is not something we have yet to determine. Starcraft belongs to blizzard. KesPA are the ones earning money off of blizzards product without properly respecting their IP rights.

Blizzard is not in the wrong to request the lawyer, it is their position to do so.

On October 18 2010 17:46 aimaimaim wrote:


I dont think Blizzard wants to make an e-sport scene .. think of the maps they made in SC2, then think of the hate they get from good players, now think of the replies they give us.

"We want the maps to be beginner friendly"

IMO, thats not a phrase a good company would say that wants high-level competitive gaming.

what im trying to say is that Blizzard can live without televised games. people will still buy their games. they can still have lots and lots of money. Fee for Broadcasting Rights, on the other hand, is like an expensive wine to them, they dont need it, but the effects it gives them ($$$), they want it so bad. but they dont need it.





3 things where you are wrong

1. No, its not fair. The Korean Gov't should have recommended the arbitrary since the companies involved are Korean companies and are in Korean Land. Blizzard already Gave the broadcasting rights to Gretech.
2. No, kespa does't earn money. How many times do people get this wrong. its been more than 6 months and still people get it wrong.
3. Blizzard made money out of Kespa's action and because of Televised games, they sold more than 5 Million copies in Korea alone.

On October 18 2010 15:13 aimaimaim wrote:
I don't think people realize that right now its not about the money but about recognizing the IP rights of the game developer.

The way I see it:

If Gretech wins this, after a year or so, Blizzard can now leave gretech and get money straight from kespa and they can charge more and more until there isn't going to be PL. Think about it, If the rights are "recognized" then any game developer that has its product being used in Televised E-sports can charge big money for it. Making it very hard to organize leagues. Even if the leagues will continue, there will be cost cutting from the organizers until its dead. Both in Korea and in Abroad, because Blizzard is an american company.

what im saying that if gretech wins, it will be hard to have organized televised e-sports around the world.

If Kespa wins, then its all back to normal with steady progression. Outside korea, there are tons of SC2 tournaments. And with luck, foreign companies outside korea can have an impression that e-sports is a great way to advertise their products using SC2 tournaments to appeal to young adults! and maybe, just maybe, they may even create their own leagues! i mean seriously Coca Cola, an Air Liner supported by its Country (Korean Air), Gilette, Pringles, Shinhan Bank. All of these were companies were at one time or are still supporting, sponsoring leagues for games. and the current team in proleague doesn't have puny sponsor (not anymore)

also about people saying about "blizzard must get payed because its their product blah blah blah". No shit! kespa did a favor for them in BW. what im trying to say is that if blizzard isn't gonna get payed, its not like they are in the most losing end of the stick, their titles are being advertised every time flash drink his pocari sweat while raping jaedong using one hand. and about them being a being money whores because they are a company like every other company, who gives a shit? its not like anyone here has any stakes in blizzard if they lose money, but if you really think about it, they aren't LOSING MONEY.

people tend to think that this is just about SC2 and BW and about these two titles being the better game. Who the fuck cares? if blizzard wins, and kespa loses then there wont be leagues, and all you will see are a bunch of amateurs with a handful of gosus duking it out for a prize money that can amount to the salary they could get from a sponsored team if they are good enough.