Healing would just create a big snowball effect after each battle won by the toss, because it's much more likely for the toss to survive with few losses and a lot of units on low hp compared to a zerg.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 07 2009 11:56 GMT

#48

On May 07 2009 12:21 Zato-1 wrote:

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According to the most updated info source I know, the Carrier has 250 HP in SC2 and the Colossus has 200 HP. Under that definition of units 'with a lot of HP', you should also include the Immortal (200 HP) and the Mothership (400 HP).

Totally forgot about the mothership

And didn't know the Immortal had that much hp, although it still doesn't change things *all* that much.

o3.power91

Bahrain5288 Posts

May 07 2009 14:19 GMT

#49

Dude, Protoss is bitched about for enough things already. No need for Blizzard to add more -_-

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

May 07 2009 15:29 GMT

#50

On May 07 2009 15:26 dirtnap wrote:
thread maker obviously plays protoss and isn't concerned with balance in sc2. he just wants to see toss get as buffed as possible.

This doesn't make much sense. SC2 has been developed from the very start with the intent of making it an e-sport; balance between the races in competitive play is pretty much an axiom for this game. Giving Protoss healing would *not* make them unbalanced in the long term, because you can make them worse at something else to compensate, or make Terran and Zerg stronger in some way to compensate.

First consider how Protoss would heal: You can make it make it expensive. Give the Nullifier a healing spell that is more inefficient than the Medics' heal, so you'd have to make a bunch of nullifiers if you want to heal all of your units back up after a big battle, for instance.

Archerofaiur says it would make it more fun to play Protoss if you could heal their units. I take him at his word and understand where he's coming from; I certainly wouldn't mind if Protoss had healing, and know people in RL who would be overjoyed if this happened, simply because seeing that HP bar almost depleted and knowing it can never go back up makes it kind of sad for the race lore-wise; you might've won the battle, but most of those who fought in it either died or received serious wounds from which they can never recover.

Man, but I'm surprised at how much hate is getting thrown around this idea

Yenzilla

Canada84 Posts

May 07 2009 15:40 GMT

#51

On May 07 2009 12:21 Zato-1 wrote:
According to the most updated info source I know, the Carrier has 250 HP in SC2 and the Colossus has 200 HP. Under that definition of units 'with a lot of HP', you should also include the Immortal (200 HP) and the Mothership (400 HP).

Which still leaves all high HP protoss units under the category of mechanical. Would be sort of pointless to give the race healing abilities to use on high templar, no?

As an alternative, you might want to try to get repair taken away from the Terrans. "It's not like marines use them."

theqat

United States2856 Posts

May 07 2009 16:00 GMT

#52

The whole shtick of Protoss is that they can't be healed and are a dying race. You can't change that.

Kim_Hyun_Han

706 Posts

May 07 2009 16:02 GMT

#53

wth !!!

star2 units already have a freakin much hp

Zurles

United Kingdom1659 Posts

May 07 2009 16:05 GMT

#54

it's called plasma shields

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

May 07 2009 16:32 GMT

#55

On May 08 2009 00:40 Yenzilla wrote:
Which still leaves all high HP protoss units under the category of mechanical. Would be sort of pointless to give the race healing abilities to use on high templar, no?

As an alternative, you might want to try to get repair taken away from the Terrans. "It's not like marines use them."

Ok, let's say the High Templar gets Hallucination back, and you give the Nullifier the following ability:

Reconstruct (can be auto-cast)
Energy cost: 1 per 1 HP healed
Range: 2
Targets: Mechanical, biological

Compare it with the Medic's heal from SC1 now:
Medic costs 50min 25gas 1 supply, Nullifier costs 50min 100 gas 2 supply
Medic heals 2 HP per 1 energy, Nullifier heals 1 HP per 1 energy
Medic heals ground biological units, Nullifier heals biological, mechanical, ground and air units

In other words the Nullifier costs twice as much and is half as efficient, take however many resources the Terran spends in medics in SC1 and multiply that times four to see how much the Protoss needs to spend to keep all his units healed up. It's a huge expense, and probably isn't worth it to heal all your army with it; you'll save it for your more expensive and slow to produce units such as the Colossus and the Carrier.

paper

13196 Posts

May 07 2009 17:06 GMT

#56

the OP wasn't that great, but seriously healing isnt that bad....?

i dont know why everyone is in an uproar over protoss having healing considering only a biological few would receive it (a la terran) unless you consider some other unit to repair mechanicals. and you can make lore fit anything holy shit. here, have some purple crystals that heal your wounds.

Yenzilla

Canada84 Posts

May 07 2009 18:03 GMT

#57

Okay, if the healing were more of a 'reconstruct', I admit it would make a lot more sense for the protoss (lorewise, and gameplay). I had in my head the idea that heal necessitated biological unit use only.

Not entirely sold on the balance of it, though. While the rate of healing might be lower, I'd settle for a heal-all over the medic any day, simply because of the fact that it would heal all. I mean, while medics were balanced by an extreme lack of flexibility (no functional use in anything other than infantry armies, really), this ability would find practical applications in just about any build, in any match (with varying levels of use, of course, depending on price).

Of course, I don't get why one doesn't just stick to wanting shield battery (or equivalent function) back, aside from maybe nitpicking about how 14/100hp is a shitty number (I will admit, it is). It would certainly help maintain racial diversity, while having roughly the same effect on gameplay.

Unentschieden

Germany1471 Posts

May 07 2009 18:10 GMT

#58

Apart from the definite no from Blizzard to Protoss healing - what would be introduced as balancing factor? Protoss have the highest staying power (HP+Shield) because part of it is irrecoverable. Terrans got the best recovery method because their units are Glasscannons.

jeppew

Sweden471 Posts

May 07 2009 18:15 GMT

#59

On May 08 2009 03:10 Unentschieden wrote:
Apart from the definite no from Blizzard to Protoss healing - what would be introduced as balancing factor? Protoss have the highest staying power (HP+Shield) because part of it is irrecoverable. Terrans got the best recovery method because their units are Glasscannons.

reduced hp i guess, and frankly i would rather have high hp units and not being able to heal them.
especially because terran can already heal/repair their units.

Krikkitone

United States1451 Posts

May 07 2009 18:16 GMT

#60

The Protoss HAVE Heal, its very just expensive and takes Micro+macromanagement

eg. to heal a Zealot, you need a Gateway, 100 minerals, an extra damage dealing unit, and it takes ~20-30 sec.

1. do suffiient damaage to your already damaged zealot to engage the emergency teleport home
2. use the Gateway+100 minerals to teleport him back to the battle field

The real problem is Plague.... and hopefully if Blizzard goes with this "Disease" it will not have the same problem.