EPT[Spoiler] Next Bonjwa? - Page 2
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
But one of the biggest argument around the Korean message boards is this People Against it We don't care if Bisu wins an osl or not, Savior was called bonjwa even before he won the OSL. The thing is when Savior became to that status, there was absolutely, NOBODY who could touch him. Sure Savior had 2 threats to his seat (Nal_Ra/Midas) but even both of them fell victim to savior numerous times. Hell, some can say it was 1 sided and the rivalry started because "Games were longer than 10 minutes." But 3 players still remain for Bisu. If Bisu can pull a savior, destroying each of these players in a BO5 whether the map favors for them or against them in a good game (or rape), then yes, he will be bonjwa. Right now, it is hard to say. Each generation had the 4 Kings ( 4 대 천 왕 ) The 1st generation of the 4 Kings were  BoxeR,  YellOw, NaDa and  Reach10 Golds, 16 Silvers (LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL) The 2nd generation of the 4 Kings were Nal_rA, July, iloveoov and GoRush12 Golds, 4 Silvers The 3rd generation of the 4 Kings were sAviOr, ChoJJa, Anytime and Midas(Note: Some people refer the 3rd Generation the "Savior Era." There were many good players during this period, but nobody was even close to Savior. Sometimes, people completely disregard the whole 3rd generation and call it "Savior's Prime") 7 Golds, 7 Silvers Now, the 4 Kings of our generation... Stork, Bisu, Jaedong and Flash11 Golds, 9 Silvers In each generation, you can see that only 1 player ends up being bonjwa (excluding nada, hes practically in every generation so its hard to say). I am going to say, we are 1/3'd of our way through the 4th generation. It is too early to tell. Right now the pro scene is so competitive it is impossible to tell who can come on top of who. So I will vote no. It is too early, and anything can happen. | ||
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rgfdxm
United States239 Posts
Edit: Or read that post ^. I should have posted one minute faster! | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:26 Itachii wrote: Best protoss ever for sure, but I would wait with bonjwa status till he wins the OSL. | ||
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IrrasO
United States409 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
if you extend bonjwa status to 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 his stats go up And If I cherry picked that, I could hit ~80% easily if I wanted. that's just a rough 12 month period, longer than the one on the chart. Which means whoever did that chart picked a really bad range. sAviOr 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 All: 50 wins - 17 losses (74.63%) T: 15 wins - 8 losses (65.22%) Z: 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) P: 19 wins - 3 losses (86.36%) note how in 12 months, TLPD lists fewer games than the graph does in 9 months, so I don't know what's going on with that. If we take a years range for bisu (say 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01), we get: Bisu 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01 All: 63 wins - 42 losses (60.00%) T: 29 wins - 22 losses (56.86%) Z: 21 wins - 10 losses (67.74%) P: 13 wins - 10 losses (56.52%) If you want to try and find a year-long period with better stats than that, go for it. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's not impossible for him to reach Bonjwa status, but he's not there yet. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
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Stingray
United Kingdom13 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:40 hymn wrote: Too bad JD will catch Bisu in his weakest MU now and buttfuck him for 10 000 000 won thus burying this bonjwa talk. Shit and I wanted a toss bonjwa... Agreed. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
it could be a fucking huge hit. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
I think the problem with that definition is the insane amount of games nowadays coupled with the increased emphasis on good PL results. Savior didn't even _qualify_ for OSL until the very very end of his reign. (He won it a week or so before Bisu went 3-0 vs him?) And (someone might have to correct me here) but I I don't think his PL performances was anything compared to that of Leta or Flash today either. He was still considered _the_ player though, because he placed highly in MSL year after year (5 finals in a row :o) and crushed any possible contender in events like the superfight. However: a new player emerging today getting old saviors results he probably wouldn't be called "bonjwa" in the first place. Msl after msl while not qualifying for OSL and getting knocked out of GOM in like r.o 64, getting good but not spectacular P.L results. No i don't think you guys would call such a player bonjwa. The sheer number of games that a player needs to win in order to be called dominant nowadays is just insane. Both Bisu and Flash have ELO peaks comparable to that of _iloveoov_ commonly refered to as the most dominant player in the history of starcraft. But due to them "spending" so many of their wins on PL and spreading them over 3 leagues we just don't get the same feel from it. | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
There are SO many good Protoss to practice against, I just don't see a Protoss taking the next step. | ||
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indecision
Germany818 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8184 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:49 fusionsdf wrote: also lol at the super misleading savior stats. if you extend bonjwa status to 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 his stats go up And If I cherry picked that, I could hit ~80% easily if I wanted. that's just a rough 12 month period, longer than the one on the chart. Which means whoever did that chart picked a really bad range. sAviOr 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 All: 50 wins - 17 losses (74.63%) T: 15 wins - 8 losses (65.22%) Z: 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) P: 19 wins - 3 losses (86.36%) note how in 12 months, TLPD lists fewer games than the graph does in 9 months, so I don't know what's going on with that. If we take a years range for bisu (say 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01), we get: Bisu 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01 All: 63 wins - 42 losses (60.00%) T: 29 wins - 22 losses (56.86%) Z: 21 wins - 10 losses (67.74%) P: 13 wins - 10 losses (56.52%) If you want to try and find a year-long period with better stats than that, go for it. QFT! And ohhhh my god, if Bisu beats Jaedong in this Bo5 (who may be entering a slump IMO due to dropping MSL/WL) I'm going to shoot myself because the "BISU IS GOD!" "BISU BEAT JAEDONG" talk will never end. Although I'm just giving Bisu fans a hard time, I'm semi-serious because though it will be impressive, Jaedong will probably be having an off day and lose. | ||
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Puosu
7088 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:41 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: uh ? i know, but he was seen as the sc villain way before winning his first OSL Ah, I don't really even remember when people started calling MJY a bonjwa, not sure if the term was familiar to foreigners back then. | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On February 09 2009 02:10 Vasoline73 wrote: QFT! And ohhhh my god, if Bisu beats Jaedong in this Bo5 (who may be entering a slump IMO due to dropping MSL/WL) I'm going to shoot myself because the "BISU IS GOD!" "BISU BEAT JAEDONG" talk will never end. Although I'm just giving Bisu fans a hard time, I'm semi-serious because though it will be impressive, Jaedong will probably be having an off day and lose. And talk like this is the reason why bisu wouldn't be a bonjwa with out a 90% winrate. Oh....that guy had an offday, those maps were so toss favored. Savior did it with ANTI-zerg map who cares if his elo and kespa and winrate were all worse. Now that being said I don't think Bisu is quite at the level yet for him to be a "bonjwa" in our eyes, just dominant. Note that he dropped off for a while so it only feels like one msl and one gsi | ||
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