EPT[Spoiler] Next Bonjwa? - Page 19
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
 All sports get inflated skill levels over time. Do you think Babe Ruth would stand a chance in today's Baseball? | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On March 23 2009 12:07 FieryBalrog wrote: I don't know much a bout baseball, but it seems like the technical skill he had back then would carry well to any era of baseball. Man some of the people in here. LARRY BIRD SUCKS BECAUSE ALL THE PLAYERS TODAY ARE MORE SKILLED. By that logic Boxer is a total noob too. All sports get inflated skill levels over time. Do you think Babe Ruth would stand a chance in today's Baseball? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 21 2009 14:46 brad3104 wrote: I dont understand how July isnt on this list of 4. Because he was never the undisputed best at any time. | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On March 23 2009 12:18 koreasilver wrote: Because he was never the undisputed best at any time. yeah. along with nal_ra, reach, goodfriend, anytime etc. they're recognized as second tier bonjwa's--incredibly skilled players--but not the dominating force that the title bonjwa is granted to. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
If  Jaedong continues to dominate like he is now.. would he be considered a bonjwa? | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On March 21 2009 07:55 latent wrote: Were Bisu to become the next Bonjwa, his skill coupled with his good looks would create a wonderful opportunity for Starcraft to grow, especially outside of Korea as the release of SC2 approaches. The fact that many people here wanted Bisu to fail so much demonstrates a lack of foresight. I'm sorry. You don't get to be Bonjwa because you look good. Or because it would create a wonderful opportunity for SC to grow outside of Korea with SC2's release approaching. You get to be Bonjwa by proving that you deserve it. And I'm not seeing the kind of domination from Bisu that is deserving of that. Bisu is unquestionably the top Protoss player. But being Bonjwa is about more than just being the top player of a certain race. It means that you are, unquestionably the best StarCraft player on the planet, that you can crush the best of all 3 races and do so consistently over a period of time. Bisu has yet to show that. Winning back-to-back individual leagues is a good start, but a good start is not what makes a Bonjwa. When even your biggest detractors cannot help but accept your status as the current true Master of StarCraft, then you're Bonjwa. However, I would also go so far as to say that having a Bonjwa is bad for StarCraft. As much as Jordan made the public care about pro basketball during his reign of domination, it also made the tournaments boring. You knew who the winner was going to be before the game even started. I'm a fairly recent convert into watching StarCraft, so I've never actually lived through a period of Bonjwa. But I do know this; I much prefer that there are several people who have a strong chance of taking a tournament to having one favorite and if someone beats them in the finals, then it's an upset. I like it that the MSL final was Jangbi vs. Luxury, people who are not best of their respective races (though clearly second or third best). It's a surprise. Did anyone guess that this would be the final? Odds are, no; Jangbi fans certainly didn't expect that it'd be him vs. Luxury, and likewise for Luxury fans. I like it when tournaments are so close that the #2 or #3 of a race has a reasonable shot of taking the whole thing. On March 21 2009 12:48 konadora wrote: I think nobody will doubt that Boxer/Nada/Savior/Oov were bonjwa. Undoubtedly. However, that doesn't change the fact that the term is ill-defined. That there isn't an objective measure of when someone achieves Bonjwa status and when someone has lost it. It's basically if everyone starts calling you that, then you are. You get a title because the mob gives it to you. It would be nice if there was some actual objective measure of one's Bonjwa-ness. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Zyarktodt
United States67 Posts
After watching the OSL, I have to say Jaedong is a candidate for Bonjwa. The man always wins in the end. He has the Bonjwa instinct of hating to lose and fighting on no matter what. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 04 2009 22:45 Zyarktodt wrote: + Show Spoiler + After watching the OSL, I have to say Jaedong is a candidate for Bonjwa. The man always wins in the end. He has the Bonjwa instinct of hating to lose and fighting on no matter what. No, he isn't. There is no candidate. -.- | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On April 04 2009 22:45 Zyarktodt wrote: + Show Spoiler + After watching the OSL, I have to say Jaedong is a candidate for Bonjwa. The man always wins in the end. He has the Bonjwa instinct of hating to lose and fighting on no matter what. + Show Spoiler + His career 68.51% according to tlpd is insane. He might not be called bonjwa thing cause overall sc level is too high, but i have no doubts he's the best to ever play the game, the best of all time, for sure the best right now | ||
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RobRoy2501
United States177 Posts
But on to the subject raised - give it some time. Best player now and DOMINANCE over a period are 2 different things. A super bowl winning team is not necesarily one of the greatest teams of all time, nor one of the most dominant. In fact, simply posting on this thread causing it to bump is essentially a spoiler. | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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Piste
6180 Posts
On February 08 2009 02:12 Hot_Bid wrote: you just don't drop out at the Ro32 in your "best" mu if you're the dominant player. PvZ is his worst! For any terran/zerg 4 golds, two silvers and a bronze would be enough titles to secure the "bonjwa" title. But since the man himself doesn't want to be one (becouse bonjwas fall hard), let's not call him that. | ||
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captainwafflos
United States212 Posts
stop bumping this thread, for the love of god. part of being bonjwa is being essentially undefeatable -- the other is having every player be a significant underdog vs. said bonjwa. it's highly doubtful that jaedong will ever achieve either of these. the idea of bumping this thread as a result of a 3-2 final result is absurd to begin with. if jaedong had won 3-0, then maybe. in all seriousness, there will never be another bonjwa in the traditional sense for the remainder of sc1's lifespan. jaedong is a really good player -- possibly the best in the world right now. let's leave it at that. | ||
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Polyphasic
United States841 Posts
just give it up. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On April 04 2009 23:17 tKd_ wrote: The standard of bonjwa needs to decrease, there will never be a bonjwa in sc1 ever again because the level is too high. Jaedong is bonjwa in my eyes, you have to be blind not to see it. It is the same with Jaedong now as it was with Bisu a month ago -- absolutely, he'd crush the bonjwas of the past. But like you said, there's too many highly, highly skilled players today for one to be dominant over 1-2 years like the old bonjwas. It's not the same long-term dominance for Jaedong since this is his first starleague win in almost 13 months. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
On April 04 2009 23:27 Polyphasic wrote: when will you fuckers learn. there will never be a protoss bonjwa. protoss sucks. they don't have the aggressive abusiveness of the zerg, nor do they have the micro hacks of the terran. their late game spells and units suck compared to zerg. bisu was only good for a while because of his new build but everyone has adapted by now. bisu literally plays perfect protoss. if he isn't bonjwa now, he never will be. just give it up.  If protoss sucks, how come people play it? You are stupid. Also protoss has micro hacks too, its just not as visible and not as big as terrans. And protoss can be uber abusive too. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
what? hurrrrrr all your shit is dead hurrrrrr all your shit is useless for a minute and still eats up supply hurrrrrr all my shit is in your base whenever i feel like it | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On April 05 2009 00:19 IdrA wrote: protoss' spells suck? what? hurrrrrr all your shit is dead hurrrrrr all your shit is useless for a minute and still eats up supply hurrrrrr all my shit is in your base whenever i feel like it One of the Cheapest + Fastest units in the game and 3 mini nukes that deal 125 damage each. EMP that can render multiple arbiters useless and multiple spell casters in 1 - 2 shots. A unit that can deal up to 85 damage per volley. oh forgot, hurrrrrrrrrrr | ||
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