What? Nada, Chojja, Anyime, or Midas didn't exist in Savior's time?

Bisu in his day has many more games to play and vs better people. I mean, Savior smashed Kingdom Reach and Ra all day and night to lol his way thru MSL. Silver... do you even remember Silver??????

The difference is that any sane man would autopick sAviOr over Midas, Anytime, and Nada during the reign of terror, with ChoJJa being only slightly iffy due to the randomness of ZvZ coupled with that being sAviOr's worst matchup. People were saying things along the lines of "Zomg! Midas took one game off of sAviOr in a BoX while getting completely outclassed in the rest of the sets! sAviOr dropped one game? What an upset!" Silver of course, is like Rock - one hit wonder, and is totally irrelevant to the general scene at the time.

Right now, you can barely pick Bisu over Flash and a faltering Stork, while you have to hedge the odds for Jaedong against Bisu at the moment.. Just because Bisu right now may be better than Savior during his reign (debatable) doesn't mean Bisu is a Bonjwa, since, as many others established he doesn't have dominion over the Starleagues.

beefhamburger

United States3962 Posts

February 08 2009 18:31 GMT

#64

God got spoiled

You should have made the title anything BUT including either player's name.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

February 08 2009 18:37 GMT

#65

On February 09 2009 03:30 SerpentFlame wrote:
Right now, you can barely pick Bisu over Flash and a faltering Stork, while you have to hedge the odds for Jaedong against Bisu at the moment.. Just because Bisu right now may be better than Savior during his reign (debatable) doesn't mean Bisu is a Bonjwa, since, as many others established he doesn't have dominion over the Starleagues.

This.

Bonjwa is a relative term. It reflects how dominant a player is relative to other players. Bisu is far better than past Bonjwas were in their heyday, but the fact is, player skill these days is much too high for him to be called Bonjwa.

Samurai-

Slovenia2035 Posts

February 08 2009 18:49 GMT

#66

Bonjwa for dropping out of MSL and OSL ? Dont make me laugh..

koreasilver

9109 Posts

February 08 2009 18:49 GMT

#67

We don't need no Protoss bonjwa.

fusionsdf

Canada15390 Posts

February 08 2009 18:53 GMT

#68

On February 09 2009 02:45 emucxg wrote:

Show nested quote +

I've said before, it's not random date, it depend on kespa ranking. (while the player is 1st on Kespa)

kespa can lag quite a bit and is a bit subjective

see my blog
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87459

for a list of all year-long spans.

On February 09 2009 03:29 emucxg wrote:

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I'm sorry

please mod change the title, but to what? = =#

[spoiler]bisu & savior

or something like that

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

February 08 2009 18:56 GMT

#69

On February 09 2009 01:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
If you have to ask if he's bonjwa, he's not bonjwa.

This

epicdoom

United States489 Posts

February 08 2009 18:58 GMT

#70

Maybe it's just be but I interpreted Bonjwa in addition to wins and trophies, to have a unique play style, breaking the mold, have some really innovative plays which allow him to dominate. Right now though, no way

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

February 08 2009 19:02 GMT

#71

Julyzerg 3-2 vs. Bisu The slayer of Bonjwas.

KizZBG

u gotta skate8152 Posts

February 08 2009 19:02 GMT

#72

No.

minus_human

4784 Posts

February 08 2009 19:03 GMT

#73

On February 09 2009 03:11 SuperJongMan wrote:

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It was always crystal clear that savior is better than Nada or anyone else you mentioned there. So even though there were other spectacular players coexisting with savior, there was only ONE undisputed dominant player.

Anyways I think the title of 'bonjwa' is given when the audience and other players/commentators perceive the said bonjwa in a certain way. Savior, oov, nada, boxer : they all had their unmistakable aura of invincibility surrounding them throughout their respective reigns. While no one can deny Bisu's skill and achievements, there is still something lacking. Bisu never had that aura, save for PvZ. And even here, Jaedong is a true contestant and no one can really say who's the clear favorite. In Savior's top match-up ZvP, there was no one really coming close to a challenge, not even rA, who was his so-called rival.

If Bisu doesn't cement his status as a true Bonjwa in the following months, I'm pretty sure there won't be another bonjwa, ever.

Also I think there's a big possibility that Bisu will become the most achieved SC player in another couple of years or so.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

February 08 2009 19:05 GMT

#74

two things work against bisu

first, he has to sustain the performance over a few more months.
second, there are other players with good winrates and titles during the period, so bisu is not the only star. contrary to the solitary dominance of other players, you cannot say for sure that bisu is the guy.

wait and see, i don't like his chances.

Baddieko

Singapore855 Posts

February 08 2009 19:09 GMT

#75

I dont think so. The GSL can't be counted as a major tourney. Some teams had pulled out. Best and Stork and many players drop the tourney to avoid schedule.congestion. Koreans call it practice league so it can't be counted a title. Right now Bisu has only 3 MSLs, he needs an OSL or 2 for the bonjwa status. In Korean progamer minds, OSL still > MSL. MSL is harder to drop out than OSL when u play 2 group stages. They still call OSL "starleague" but not MSL. In proleague they like to open standard and Bisu is strong in it but not in OSL.

Nevertheless in protoss race he is still the best with most titles.

kemoryan

Spain1506 Posts

February 08 2009 19:15 GMT

#76

As a Bisu fan I also have to say he's not a bonjwa, and I'd even dare say that players such as Jaedong or Flash in their prime had a more bonjwa aura despite having less titles than him. So yeah, as we can see it's nearly impossible to become bonjwa nowadays, but that doesn't take credit to Bisu who is the best protoss ever and one of the best and most accomplished players overall.