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United States36 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On February 09 2009 04:51 Hot_Bid wrote: Edited title. I think the big issue here is Bisu being eliminated from the recent MSL. There's something different about never making it through prelims and being eliminated from the Ro32. Savior not making it through offline prelims into the OSL seemed somehow more forgivable than Bisu losing in his MSL group with 3 zergs. Add to that getting blown out 2-0 in the OSL by July's apprentice didn't help, even if he redeemed that with a sick run through the wildcard. I think everyone would be much more comfortable with the "Bisu for bonjwa" train if he just qualified for MSL Ro16. If Bisu wins this next OSL, then we can ask this question and the answer would probably be yes. That's just the thing they are JULY's apprentice, the protoss slayer. Add that to the fact that his style is probably the most studied of all pro-gamers. Bisu will need to reinvent his PvZ if he wants to win games in the starleagues against them simply because they WILL find counters for his playstyle and they will study every tendency that he has. Bisu is definitely a good candidate for Bonjwa simply because when he does win games he shows such a crazy level of dominance it's astounding. You also have to keep in mind just how much the game has changed and how the level of play has raised so much since past bonjwas. Bisu IS a very dominant figure in progaming these days and anybody who goes against him should be prepared or he will trounce them. Of course him being eliminated from MSL and OSL is pretty bad but I mean come on think about how much Savior Magma Zero and By.hero would have studied his play. Combine that with him going 6-0 in Wildcard dominating Jangbi 3-1 in Gom and showing for the most part great play in Proleague bisu is definitely Bonjwa material. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:31 monstar123 wrote: Bisu>Flash , he did it in GOM and in PL Bisu<>Jaedong , will see Bisu>>>>>Leta , LoL ho could you compare Leta with Bisu. U must be mad. Bisu>>>>>>Jangbi , proved Bisu>>>Stork , proved lately,pl games + Stork is slumping I think that you underestimate Leta, Sir. However I pretty much agree with you on the other players. | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:37 jello_biafra wrote: I think that you underestimate Leta, Sir. However I pretty much agree with you on the other players. My lord, i don't underestimate Leta, he is dominating player too. His TvT and TvZ(it is 2009, except MJY) are unbeatable lately.But his TvP is not S-class.He is not tvp rival for Bisu.Flash could not beat Bisu lately, how can we talk about "Leta vs Bisu" | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:37 jello_biafra wrote: I think that you underestimate Leta, Sir. However I pretty much agree with you on the other players. Leta hasn't proven anything in TvP, he's been destroyed both times he's faced competent PvTers. I don't think Bisu is a clear favorite over Flash in a boX. I'm a little worried about Jaedong psychologically after his recent matches but hopefully he'll show us some great games against Bisu. And I still think July would be an enormous favorite against Bisu in any series right now. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Emptyness
Bulgaria1016 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
i personally do think bisu is favorite over flash but it depends on people's concept of clear favorite. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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minus_human
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On February 09 2009 06:06 minus_human wrote: If Bisu would have been 4 or 5 years older, and would have started playing at an earlier time, starcraft would've had a whole different story, and it would have been Protoss dominated. No. Go back 4 or 5 years and look at the difference in APM, Maps, and strategies. Bisu would not have played how he does now simply because: A) The maps wouldn't allow it B) Bisu didn't invent everything himself, and the reason he "revolutionized" PvZ is because back then Savior's style was dominating so he countered that style. C) Chances are he wouldn't even think the same way he does now about builds and maps and whatnot, he would be in the same mindset as the protoss of the past. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: If you have to ask if he's bonjwa, he's not bonjwa. Exactly. Too many players perfectly capable of beating each other at the top today. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:36 Base wrote: can you really be a bonjwa without being number 1 on the power rank? For several months? Fixed it for you  | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
he's not a bonjwa, not yet at least. not until he wins a OSL~ PS: wow at nada... he dominated hard --;; | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On February 09 2009 03:37 TheYango wrote: This. Bonjwa is a relative term. It reflects how dominant a player is relative to other players. Bisu is far better than past Bonjwas were in their heyday, but the fact is, player skill these days is much too high for him to be called Bonjwa. Completely agree. In most sports, the best player of the current era is the best player ever. Not necessarily the most dominant, but better in an absolute skill Sense. Imagine Kobe Bryant as he is today playing in the 1950s NBA or the Pittsburgh Steelers going up against Vince Lombardi's Packers. In those sports it's a difference of size and speed. In starcraft, it's APM and understanding (better builds, timing, macro/micro). Starcraft has evolved at a faster rate than athletic sports. 3 years in SC right now is like three decades in the NBA. Two years ago, Bisu was good enough to end sAviOr's dominance. He is an even stronger player today. Honestly I would take Flash or Jaedong over the past bonjwas as well. The things that made bonjwas dominant are necessary just to be S-class today. No other bonjwa has had to deal with a trio of challengers as strong as Flash, Jaedong, and Stork. I expect that this trend will continue and that nobody will ever again dominate starcraft the way a player like NaDa did. The chart on the first page shows a clear trend that I already believed was happening. The most dominant player is becoming less dominant over time. BoxeR and NaDa were both #1 in kespa for 17 and 16 months consecutively. Oov and sAviOr held it for 8 months consecutively; of them only Oov held the #1 spot for a year in total. NaDa won six OSL/MSL's, four during the time of his dominance. He also won GhemTV during his reign. Oov won 5 titles. sAviOr won 4. Bisu has also won 4, but over a longer amount of time than it took sAviOr to win his starleagues. (also GOM Classic did not exist back then) NaDa was untouchable during the year in which he won 4 titles. Oddysay was 5-4 against him and all other rivals were dominated. iloveoov won the bulk of his titles over a 14 month span. July bested him 8-4 but everyone else was again dominated. This timespan included most of his 27 game win streak TvZ. sAviOr won his titles over a 10 month span. ChoJJa was 8-9 against him in that span, Midas 5-5, Hwasin 3-3. Saint went 2-1 against him and Shark 2-0. If we try to round it out to the full year, along comes Bisu who becomes the new dominant player. Only this time, that dominance barely lasts half a year and rivals are able to compete on an almost-even field. | ||
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NahLGaE
Korea (South)523 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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jinwoooooooo
United States176 Posts
And honestly, players don't simply 'build up' to bonjwa status. It just happens somewhat spontaneously. Boxer, Oov, Nada, and Savior all burst into the scene (whether they've been playing under-par for a while or not) and utterly DOMINATED everyone. Bisu has been on the scene for a while and is slowly gaining his power, even with a 'slump' after his first semi-domination. Bisu isn't bonjwa. At least not yet. | ||
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Ry-Masta-T
United States478 Posts
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