EPTOn February 09 2009 01:30 hymn wrote:
Just 5 more months at KeSPA No1 and an OSL title and he's got it.
Just 5 more months at KeSPA No1 and an OSL title and he's got it.
I agree, but this is no mean feat.
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
I agree, but this is no mean feat. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
I still don't think bisu is dominant enough. There is still Flash, Jaedong, ForGG, Best and Stork who can give Bisu a good run for the money. During the oov and Savior eras, there was literally NO ONE who could compete with them. edit: and your title hardcore sucks, there are no other interpretations of "Bisu for next bonjwa" other than + Show Spoiler + he has beaten jangbin in the gom final. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36392 Posts
I think the big issue here is Bisu being eliminated from the recent MSL. There's something different about never making it through prelims and being eliminated from the Ro32. Savior not making it through offline prelims into the OSL seemed somehow more forgivable than Bisu losing in his MSL group with 3 zergs. Add to that getting blown out 2-0 in the OSL by July's apprentice didn't help, even if he redeemed that with a sick run through the wildcard. I think everyone would be much more comfortable with the "Bisu for bonjwa" train if he just qualified for MSL Ro16. If Bisu wins this next OSL, then we can ask this question and the answer would probably be yes. | ||
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Zea!
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hixhix
1156 Posts
Savior was called bonjwa before he won an OSL because every one was so far behind him. Casy was lucky and won an OSL, if he is lucky like that several times and got a few OSL titles, he isnt called bonjwa. So titles dont mean much but the skill compared to others. There are a few players at the moment like Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Jangbi... who can easily take games from Bisu any time. So Bisu is not a bonjwa yet, he might be in the future, but now, hell no. When 80% of ppl vote for Bisu when he plays any one, then he will be a bonjwa. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Bisu vs Flash Bisu vs Jaedong Bisu vs Leta?? Bisu vs Jangbi (2 x 3-1 might beg to differ though) Bisu vs Stork? A bonjwa should be dominating alone imo. Nada boxer oov and savior all did that. Its sooo much harder to get bonjwastatus these days coz everyone is simply so much better atm. | ||
disciple
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Kula
United States140 Posts
On February 09 2009 01:49 fusionsdf wrote: also lol at the super misleading savior stats. if you extend bonjwa status to 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 his stats go up And If I cherry picked that, I could hit ~80% easily if I wanted. that's just a rough 12 month period, longer than the one on the chart. Which means whoever did that chart picked a really bad range. sAviOr 2006-02-01 ー 2007-02-01 All: 50 wins - 17 losses (74.63%) T: 15 wins - 8 losses (65.22%) Z: 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) P: 19 wins - 3 losses (86.36%) note how in 12 months, TLPD lists fewer games than the graph does in 9 months, so I don't know what's going on with that. If we take a years range for bisu (say 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01), we get: Bisu 2007-02-01 ー 2008-02-01 All: 63 wins - 42 losses (60.00%) T: 29 wins - 22 losses (56.86%) Z: 21 wins - 10 losses (67.74%) P: 13 wins - 10 losses (56.52%) If you want to try and find a year-long period with better stats than that, go for it. It's 67 games over a year whereas bisu has 105 games over a year. How about when its around the same number of games? Starting from after Bisu lost to Stork in the Osl. All: Record: 60 wins - 20 losses (75.00%) vT: Record: 17 wins - 4 losses (80.95%) vZ: Record: 18 wins - 8 losses (69.23%) vP: Record: 25 wins - 8 losses (75.76%) What's more important, dominating for a year with less games played, or dominating through a shorter amount of time but with more games? | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On February 09 2009 04:02 d(O.o)a wrote: Julyzerg 3-2 vs. Bisu The slayer of Bonjwas. No way, July would 3-0 Bisu easily unless all the games are played on Byzantium.. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
With the superior win percentage, two major titels in short time, and a shot at the OSL title, this is the closest Bisu will probably get. So what would make him bonjwa from now on? Being unchallengeable in all three matchups - Bisu is aiming for this at the time being. His PvP and PvT are beyond the top. There is no, absolutely no Protoss or Terran who would not be considered the underdog when going into a series with Bisu. Stork was the closest, Flash maybe, but both lost lately. His PvZ is where the worries are at the moment. Thus Bisu has to beat Jaedong convincingly in the season finals to redeem his PvZ. Winning any game that counts - A Bonjwa is the favourite in any series, be it Bo3, Bo5, not only through his expertise in the matchup but also due to being in form spot on. Bisu is showing that certitude lately, more than ever. His GOM run was flawless, taking out Flash on the way. He never looked troubled in the MSL. Thus he needs to win the OSL and win those BoX games in a deadly and convincing fashion, leaving no doubt that he could not be beaten on that very day. If all three conditions obtain: High win percentage, redeem his PvZ, win the OSL, Bisu would be called bonjwa. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Bisu isn't a bonjwa. | ||
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Syrup
United States31 Posts
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cuddles
Australia10 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:23 Aesop wrote: I think the majority agrees that Bisu is not bonjwa at the time being. But he is posting a more consistent record than through ANY period of his career. Even while winning the MSL back to back, he regularily lost in Proleague and dropped out in the OSL no later than Ro8. With the superior win percentage, two major titels in short time, and a shot at the OSL title, this is the closest Bisu will probably get. So what would make him bonjwa from now on? Being unchallengeable in all three matchups - Bisu is aiming for this at the time being. His PvP and PvT are beyond the top. There is no, absolutely no Protoss or Terran who would not be considered the underdog when going into a series with Bisu. Stork was the closest, Flash maybe, but both lost lately. His PvZ is where the worries are at the moment. Thus Bisu has to beat Jaedong convincingly in the season finals to redeem his PvZ. Winning any game that counts - A Bonjwa is the favourite in any series, be it Bo3, Bo5, not only through his expertise in the matchup but also due to being in form spot on. Bisu is showing that certitude lately, more than ever. His GOM run was flawless, taking out Flash on the way. He never looked troubled in the MSL. Thus he needs to win the OSL and win those BoX games in a deadly and convincing fashion, leaving no doubt that he could not be beaten on that very day. If all three conditions obtain: High win percentage, redeem his PvZ, win the OSL, Bisu would be called bonjwa. Even if what you say is legitimate, remember it's always a matter of 'will the commentators/Korean audience call him bonjwa?' It depends on how his victories are perceived, he must not only win, he must obliterate. Part of the reason why the other bonjwas were praised as such is because they each brought something new to the game, a completely new style that put them on another level than everybody else. While, of course, you could argue about Bisu's PvZ revolution, that was 2 years ago, and his innovated playstyle became more or less common (even though nobody equaled his performances) | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
On February 09 2009 05:00 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Put him against the other top 5 players in the world right now and you cannot really predict the outcome. Bisu vs Flash Bisu vs Jaedong Bisu vs Leta?? Bisu vs Jangbi (2 x 3-1 might beg to differ though) Bisu vs Stork? A bonjwa should be dominating alone imo. Nada boxer oov and savior all did that. Its sooo much harder to get bonjwastatus these days coz everyone is simply so much better atm. Bisu>Flash , he did it in GOM and in PL Bisu<>Jaedong , will see Bisu>>>>>Leta , LoL ho could you compare Leta with Bisu. U must be mad. Bisu>>>>>>Jangbi , proved Bisu>>>Stork , proved lately,pl games + Stork is slumping | ||
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spetial
United States688 Posts
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VioleTAK
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Bisu will win OSL :-) | ||
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