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On January 04 2009 22:14 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
Anyone ever considered the _fact_ Protoss is the race requiring most strategy and gamesense? If I would argue in the way all the "1a2a3a blabla" whiners do, I'd say Terran is the easiest race followed by Zerg. When do you see other than Protoss adapt to their opponnents play? Or should I say HAVE to adapt?
I would never say that but with the bunch of cryfags in this thread you just have to face what you're actually trying to imply. Arguing same way again it would be, "Terran sits base, macroes, maybe you see some proxyfac gayness in some games" or "Zerg doing stupid 2 hatch muta lameness every game, greeding for 3rd gas to get imbalisks". Sounds retarded? Now imagine thats the way you sound.
€: Oh and if so Protoss uses the most perfect builds I guess the other races should do that too instead of crying like little girls. There's no manliness in Zerg or Terran players?
For some reason i'm pretty sure that terran can't 1a2a3a.
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On January 04 2009 22:48 mIsUZu wrote:
lawl this is like terrans saying 'oh look 6 dragons.. p imbal.. oh 1a2a3a p is easiest'..
ya how much does it cost to get vultures?? 75?? WOW LESS THAN ZEAL!!
and how much is a mine upgrade?? WHAT?!?!? LESS THAN A ZEAL LEGUP!?!?!?
so who wins with good micro vulture vs zeal?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZOMG!!!!
on top of this, whats this?? siegemode with longest attack range that cancels all defence towers and bunker + repair thats almost beyond imbal that its not funny???
and don't give me this 'low level, high level' nonsense cause as far as i know, we've had 3 terran bonjwas, and 1 zrg bonjwa in this game who have all been dominating at their times to the point that made them look unbeatable..
wait was that 3 terrans and 1 zerg?? uhmmmmmmmmmm so wheres protoss??
until bisu reigned to fame, protoss was just a race to be toyed around by zerg and good showbiz to make terrans look almighty and now, finally, they get some spotlights and all of sudden tosses are imbal..
HOW MANY BASES DOES TOSS HAVE IN COMPARISON WITH TERRAN?? ZOMG! how many gateways does protoss have incomparison with terran? ZOMG! -_-;;
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On January 05 2009 01:04 b3h47pte wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 22:14 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
Anyone ever considered the _fact_ Protoss is the race requiring most strategy and gamesense? If I would argue in the way all the "1a2a3a blabla" whiners do, I'd say Terran is the easiest race followed by Zerg. When do you see other than Protoss adapt to their opponnents play? Or should I say HAVE to adapt?
I would never say that but with the bunch of cryfags in this thread you just have to face what you're actually trying to imply. Arguing same way again it would be, "Terran sits base, macroes, maybe you see some proxyfac gayness in some games" or "Zerg doing stupid 2 hatch muta lameness every game, greeding for 3rd gas to get imbalisks". Sounds retarded? Now imagine thats the way you sound.
€: Oh and if so Protoss uses the most perfect builds I guess the other races should do that too instead of crying like little girls. There's no manliness in Zerg or Terran players? For some reason i'm pretty sure that terran can't 1a2a3a.
have you seen tvz at all lately? (referring to gols here)
+ Show Spoiler +anyone watch bisu vs flash today? how in the world was that game easy for bisu. Terran had vulture, goliath tank and vessel vs zealot dragoon, high temp, dark temp, arbiter, shuttle and reaver for that bulldog push. notice how protoss have so many different units to control? Also protoss has to macro a lot more to stay ahead in the food count than terran.
anyways im not saying T is easier or vice versa, I think that P has to use more tactics to stop a terran from hard or soft pushing by doing things like reaver, recall, dt or storm drops.
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[DUF]MethodMan and mIsUZu you sound like angry kids. Go back to 0xDEADBEEF's post and its a very easy explanation why this is true, and you really can't argue with it. You don't have to get mad about it just cause you play protoss, just means you can play better T/Z players for a more challenging game. At the same skill level though it certainly is easier.
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On January 05 2009 02:19 CorSairHeRo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 01:04 b3h47pte wrote:On January 04 2009 22:14 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
Anyone ever considered the _fact_ Protoss is the race requiring most strategy and gamesense? If I would argue in the way all the "1a2a3a blabla" whiners do, I'd say Terran is the easiest race followed by Zerg. When do you see other than Protoss adapt to their opponnents play? Or should I say HAVE to adapt?
I would never say that but with the bunch of cryfags in this thread you just have to face what you're actually trying to imply. Arguing same way again it would be, "Terran sits base, macroes, maybe you see some proxyfac gayness in some games" or "Zerg doing stupid 2 hatch muta lameness every game, greeding for 3rd gas to get imbalisks". Sounds retarded? Now imagine thats the way you sound.
€: Oh and if so Protoss uses the most perfect builds I guess the other races should do that too instead of crying like little girls. There's no manliness in Zerg or Terran players? For some reason i'm pretty sure that terran can't 1a2a3a. have you seen tvz at all lately? (referring to gols here) + Show Spoiler +anyone watch bisu vs flash today? how in the world was that game easy for bisu. Terran had vulture, goliath tank and vessel vs zealot dragoon, high temp, dark temp, arbiter, shuttle and reaver for that bulldog push. notice how protoss have so many different units to control? Also protoss has to macro a lot more to stay ahead in the food count than terran. anyways im not saying T is easier or vice versa, I think that P has to use more tactics to stop a terran from hard or soft pushing by doing things like reaver, recall, dt or storm drops.
Yeh.. i seriously, SERIOUSLY think people mean the foreign level more.. people know how hard P is at progaming level.
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protoss. But its only in lower levels. In supergosu level they are supposed to be just as hard.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
This thread is tempting me to switch to protoss.
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On January 04 2009 21:39 TheFlashyOne wrote:
Protoss is not only the easiest at lower levels...but the same logic applies at the highest levels. their HP is still high, the groupings are still easier, the mechanics are still easier. The idea that all progaming matchups are intense therefore protoss control must be as hard as Terran or Zerg is not valid. At pro level the gap might be somewhat narrower but Toss is still by far the easiest to play because the millions of reasons that make them easy do not disappear with intensity.
i'd say T is by far the hardest at lower levels.. and Z is the hardest at the highest level...but by a very small margin over T. ZvP when dealing with TOSS FE and all their explosive damage + storm...and ZvT vs things like SK terran and near flawless FE Terran mechanics (which seems to limit the Z to 3 bases midgame) is extremely hard for Z. People like Jeadong and savior deserve lots of respect.
Amen
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On January 05 2009 02:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
[DUF]MethodMan and mIsUZu you sound like angry kids. Go back to 0xDEADBEEF's post and its a very easy explanation why this is true, and you really can't argue with it. You don't have to get mad about it just cause you play protoss, just means you can play better T/Z players for a more challenging game. At the same skill level though it certainly is easier.
i think a lot of this depends on how you define skill level and what skill level you are referring to. For example, as a 150 apm protoss i consistently beat zergs and terrans with 200-250 apm. These guys are all faster then me, are they therefore better players and im beating them because my race is easier? That would seem to be what most of you are implying, but at least in my case when i am winning these games its because most of these players to me are predictable and easy to read, and i can beat them by analyzing what they do and adapting to it. However, I find that when i play an opponent who is clever and who i cant predict and counter, i will lose most of the time because my mechanics are just not as strong.
Also i would like to add 2 more things, first of all to all those people who are saying protoss is easy because you can just 1a2a3a and terrans and zergs require more control, while this is certainly true, i dont see too many people mentioning the fact that once a t/z, especially T, learns how to control their army, it becomes more cost effective then a protoss army and the P either has to babysit his army just as much or outmacro the other player in order to win battles.
Secondly to all those guys who are saying "LAWL IM A C ZERG I CAN GET C- WITH P SO EZ LOLOL" i just wanna let you guys know that as a P player its the same for me and i can offrace just as easily to almost the same rank. Especially with zvp/tvp, i think if i were to play against myself, my z or my t would definetly give my P a run for its money
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Wouldn't it mean that terran is imbalanced if they have to set up mines, turrents, siege tanks, position perfectly in TvP. Whereas a protoss just has to 1a2a3a. We all no pro's micro is perfect and that is what usually tips the games. Doesn't seem like a pro protoss player has that much he can do micro wise vs a terran other then 1a2a3a.
So in a large battle in TvP on low - mid level where the protoss is just 1a2a3a rolling the terran, and the terran isn't microing that well its imba. But on the high levels when terran is microing PERFECTLY, and protoss is also microing there 1a2a3a PERFECTLY just as at low levels, and they get rolled isn't that imbalanced?
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls.
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On January 05 2009 04:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls.
It isn't hard playing Terran.
With Terran I can beat any Protoss player easily with 7 8 Barracks. But not the other way around with proxy Gateways.
Bunker imba.
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On January 05 2009 04:38 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 04:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls. It isn't hard playing Terran. With Terran I can beat any Protoss player easily with 7 8 Barracks. But not the other way around with proxy Gateways. Bunker imba.
Yea i know what you mean, I CANNOT CHEESE WITH PROTOSS. It never works for me but then again I never practiced it. On the other hand I can easily cheese with zerg and terran with no practice.
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Terran is probably the hardest race for a beginner.
You have to go trough so much pain learning terran from scratch and even if you reach a certain level you can fuck up everything in seconds or waste minutes over minutes even tough there is no chance of coming back.
Uphill battles and frustration. That should be the sign when you choose terran as your first race.
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On January 05 2009 04:44 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 04:38 Freezard wrote:On January 05 2009 04:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls. It isn't hard playing Terran. With Terran I can beat any Protoss player easily with 7 8 Barracks. But not the other way around with proxy Gateways. Bunker imba. Yea i know what you mean, I CANNOT CHEESE WITH PROTOSS. It never works for me but then again I never practiced it. On the other hand I can easily cheese with zerg and terran with no practice.
lol
cheese is much easier for protoss are you kidding?
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Nah the ability to warp in multiple buildings far away from your base is useless in cheese.
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On January 05 2009 05:53 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 04:44 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On January 05 2009 04:38 Freezard wrote:On January 05 2009 04:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls. It isn't hard playing Terran. With Terran I can beat any Protoss player easily with 7 8 Barracks. But not the other way around with proxy Gateways. Bunker imba. Yea i know what you mean, I CANNOT CHEESE WITH PROTOSS. It never works for me but then again I never practiced it. On the other hand I can easily cheese with zerg and terran with no practice. lol cheese is much easier for protoss are you kidding?
i just had to laugh at this.
you've GOT TO BE KIDDING.
2 gate ? if i don't wall, it's pretty much over. and this is the reason why i ALWAYS wall in iccup games.
dt drop? dt's do 40 damage and they're cloaked ffs. you call that FAIR? rofl
and also reaver, in an instance, my supply or scvs could be gone. terran has so much to prepare for the early game and toss has it easy. not to mention terran is so hard because they're not mobile at all. protoss can like run across the map and it's scary.
i used to be protoss and i'd be confused about how terrans always bitched about p and now i totally understand (now a T player)
also late game, arbiters are so unfair imo.
you might tell me to use vessels but emp radius is so short and by the time protoss gets 2 or more arbs, it's pretty much gg for me. Why? STASIS. and if i want to avoid least amount of stasis as possible, i have to spread my tanks. that again, is micro intensive and i also have to keep up with my macro at that point. not to mention i would also need to mine up, set up turrets, etc.
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On January 05 2009 06:01 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 05:53 fusionsdf wrote:On January 05 2009 04:44 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On January 05 2009 04:38 Freezard wrote:On January 05 2009 04:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
O yea and I decided to switch to terran because of this thread too see what the fuck is so hard about this noob bitchy race, I guess it could be because there are no men that play terran, only whiny girls. It isn't hard playing Terran. With Terran I can beat any Protoss player easily with 7 8 Barracks. But not the other way around with proxy Gateways. Bunker imba. Yea i know what you mean, I CANNOT CHEESE WITH PROTOSS. It never works for me but then again I never practiced it. On the other hand I can easily cheese with zerg and terran with no practice. lol cheese is much easier for protoss are you kidding? i just had to laugh at this. you've GOT TO BE KIDDING. 2 gate ? if i don't wall, it's pretty much over. and this is the reason why i ALWAYS wall in iccup games. dt drop? dt's do 40 damage and they're cloaked ffs. you call that FAIR? rofl and also reaver, in an instance, my supply or scvs could be gone. terran has so much to prepare for the early game and toss has it easy. not to mention terran is so hard because they're not mobile at all. protoss can like run across the map and it's scary. i used to be protoss and i'd be confused about how terrans always bitched about p and now i totally understand (now a T player) also late game, arbiters are so unfair imo. you might tell me to use vessels but emp radius is so short and by the time protoss gets 2 or more arbs, it's pretty much gg for me. Why? STASIS. and if i want to avoid least amount of stasis as possible, i have to spread my tanks. that again, is micro intensive and i also have to keep up with my macro at that point. not to mention i would also need to mine up, set up turrets, etc.
In stratagy thread you always see protoss players asking how top stop zerg cheese, and the answer is SCOUT. You terrans don't even need to make any fair attemp at scouting in PvZ you have to dance your probes around speed lings early on too see what zerg is doing. But you terrans just need to float your fucking buildings into protoss base OR SCANNNNNN.
What happens when you do scout reaver or dt drop? GG make an e-bay.
YOU CALL VULTURES FAIR? 75 minerals and you get a machine that rapes probes and zealots. You also get 3 mines that hide in the ground (Great for scouting) then explode when you walk on them causing mass damage and even splash damage. IMBAAAA
OH my god a terran bitching about spreading his units only during late game and only vs statis on arbs. It's not like protoss has to spread there units vs tank splash noooooo we just 1a2a3a and its over.
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i've read terran is hardest at the lower levels, and z is harder at the higher levels
and lol @ the poll...
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Hum odd usually the polls when we do this why is blank race so ez it more evened out. This time it's just lul
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