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On January 04 2009 06:58 Dalroti wrote:
Protoss is the easiest race
Terran is harder
Zerg is the hardest
?? I always thought everyone had said Terran is the hardest, but either way I still agree protoss is easiest.
- workers can build multiple things and the probe runs off, throughout early-lategame there arent a tonne of specific weaknesses protoss has, zealots > marines + zerglings, observers are cloaked and can see cloaked units, you can often just 1a2a3a4a, no "o" for siege, or "i" for mines, no "bt" for turrets, or "9s0s" for scan, no "u" for burrow lurks, no colonies to build then morph into sunks or spores. "bc" and you have a guard tower that can detect, hit ait, hit ground, and has rechargable shields. more too but im getting lazy
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On January 04 2009 17:07 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 16:58 IdrA wrote:On January 04 2009 14:38 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Everyone saying "protoss is easy, and terran is hard" is a joke. Please try to play PvT around B- level it is so fucking hard.
its hard for you because you're bad if i play jaedong im gonna find it really hard does that mean z>t? No it just means your bad similiarly if Protoss is "easy" on low levels does that not mean the player is just better then the oppnent?
you CANT deny that protoss is easy on the lower levels.
and have you even tried terran? i'll bet a "B-" Protoss is something equivalent to like a C Terran.
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On January 04 2009 17:14 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 17:07 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On January 04 2009 16:58 IdrA wrote:On January 04 2009 14:38 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Everyone saying "protoss is easy, and terran is hard" is a joke. Please try to play PvT around B- level it is so fucking hard.
its hard for you because you're bad if i play jaedong im gonna find it really hard does that mean z>t? No it just means your bad similiarly if Protoss is "easy" on low levels does that not mean the player is just better then the oppnent? you CANT deny that protoss is easy on the lower levels. and have you even tried terran? i'll bet a "B-" Protoss is something equivalent to like a C Terran.
Fair enough but you can't deny it's hard at high levels where skill actually matters because such as with pros u get paid to play.
Although I always found when I was newer to sc that pvz was a massive pain in the cock
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It's a pain to delete things on my touch so I will post again.
Since u eddited in the second art I completely disagree and you should quit sc for thinking that. I personally wished I played t and not p because I have such high apm I can easily control Terran and terran only needs good control to win. Therefore Terran skill = apm = east to get.
300apm =b+ Terran
Ps I would be in Korea already if I played terran.
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Just chiming in to say that Protoss is indeed the easiest race and there really is no debate as the poll shows; and bringing up pro gamers is stupid because no one here besides Idra is a pro gamer and even he says Protoss is easy shit. 
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Although there has never been a long reiging top Protoss pro like boxer oov July savior or nada
The poll is without a doubt mostly bandwagoning noobs
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On January 04 2009 17:06 Seraphim wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Protoss is mechanically easier than the rest of the races, but strategically more difficult than the other races.
This.
But I guess it doesn't matter because everyone's gonna hold onto what they think is right
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On January 04 2009 17:46 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 17:06 Seraphim wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Protoss is mechanically easier than the rest of the races, but strategically more difficult than the other races. This. But I guess it doesn't matter because everyone's gonna hold onto what they think is right
I agree with that aswell.
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lol I might add that Protoss is not difficult strategically anymore. Maybe in old PvZ but nowadays, you just scout, defend and expand accordingly, then move out with your blob while getting more expos. PvT is a joke strategically, and if the Terran is good enough to deflect everything you throw at him, it's because he's just plain better than you and not because "PROTOSS IS SO HARD", I can almost guarantee that.
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On January 04 2009 14:38 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Everyone saying "protoss is easy, and terran is hard" is a joke. Please try to play PvT around B- level it is so fucking hard.
Was gonna say that. T with good timing and B/O's is imba, he dosent even need to know how to macro/micro (check media terrans). Go fe -> go second exp with ups -> 150/200 push out. While u exp u can harrasm with 1 group of vultures  . Meanwhile me as toss, i am controlling +12gates, trying to secure exps vs vulture raids and trying to break the terrans slow push with arbiters + retarted goons.
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On January 04 2009 16:58 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 14:38 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Everyone saying "protoss is easy, and terran is hard" is a joke. Please try to play PvT around B- level it is so fucking hard.
its hard for you because you're bad if i play jaedong im gonna find it really hard does that mean z>t?
z>t, cause z uses ultras
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On non-pro levels (i.e. everyone except Korean progamers) Terran is the hardest (mainly due to the ton of multitasking required to play well), but on pro level Zerg is the hardest (mainly because there's almost ZERO room for error - make one tiny mistake and you can almost write 'gg' because you've just lost half your army/half your base/half your drones).
P is very easy in comparison...
- P has lots of room for errors (high HP units). This also means that they require less micro
- P has the BEST harass units in the game (storm drop, reaver drop, DT drop, and corsairs vs Zerg - all of which can be totally devastating)
- P has free scouting ("maphack") in PvZ when building just 1 corsair, whereas Z doesn't have free scouting anymore once corsairs are out because he needs to protect his overlords
- P can protect every expansion with mass cannon spam whereas Z almost always has undefended expansions because all money needs to be invested directly into army
- P's main army composition in EVERY matchup consists of zealots and goons, which have no special abilities and don't require a lot of micro, the most likely only special ability P uses is storm (every matchup) and stasis (vs T and P), neither of which are hard to use (you just have to remember to use it). Terran needs to siege tanks, lay mines, scan, and stim. Zerg needs to use defilers, micro mutas, micro lurkers, flank properly, and have an annoying time with 982392347 lings and only 12 slots per group. And now maybe even queens are required too. This is just an insane amount of tasks to do, P can just comapratively "chill out" and macro their basic units (goons, lots) like mad and then A-click.
- Corsairs are so strong that P can just mass them and without ANY micro (just A-click) have complete air control over Zerg because they totally rape mutas and Z has to micro scourges very carefully or be forced to switch to hydras (which is the usual way of dealing with a sair opening)
- ... I bet there's more
For me personally, this means:
- zero respect for successful foreigner Protoss players
- quickly decreasing respect for successful Korean pro Protoss players
- lots of respect for successful foreigner Terran players
- lots of respect for successful Korean pro Zergs
It's just a joke really... SC is also becoming increasingly boring because of this.
Top foreign players: easily 70% Protoss, and now top 10 KeSPA also 60-70% Protoss.
It's just RIDICULOUS.
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On January 04 2009 17:46 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 17:06 Seraphim wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Protoss is mechanically easier than the rest of the races, but strategically more difficult than the other races. This. But I guess it doesn't matter because everyone's gonna hold onto what they think is right
I've always thought zerg was strategically the hardest to be honest
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Poll rocks.
There's your answer. Internet won. Argumentation futile.
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reason is b/c protoss is very strong and rather cheap and quick 1 goon less time and resocres then tank, also a toss can throw army at oppont and with little mirco management at times (not always) come on top to a equal or slighly higher level opponet, terran on the other had requires a higher apm and game sense which in turn need better skill, for examply in tvz they must stim the rines seige the tank and irrated the lurks with vessals, compare to toss now who must psi storm and attack. finaly zerg, they seem to be hard b/c u need the right combo, what other race loses harvesters when building tech or defense... non of them, what other race has some of the weakest units that UNLESS in a mass form die quickly. example is zvp where the zerg must macro quite well and not allow toss to mass and u know the rest
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I love the bitching and moaning. I feed off your Terran and Zerg tears! Mwahahaha!
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On January 04 2009 17:10 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 15:37 Perguvious wrote:
I think (and this is my opinion, and noone cares about THAT xD) that protoss is the easiest for a beginner to learn. It is true that protoss CAN hotkey all their units in one group, but it just isn't that efficient. Hotkeying zealots in one group and dragoons in another can be the difference in a pvt battle.
Also, in some cases, a C-/C protoss may find himself in an awkward position on iCCup. D+ is almost too easy, yet above that is too hard. Why? It's because they THINK they've got all the protoss mechanics down, they THINK because they have high APM, they hotkey their units, they can type "ww" like a korean. Truth is, there's still so much protoss needs to perfect before they really "master" the protoss race. Because terran and zerg are so hard to begin with, it's harder for them to get up into higher rankings on iCCup. Therefore, because of that, if they indeed ARE in the higher rankings, they must be pretty darn good. Protoss, on the other hand, can face 12-pool and FE tvp up 1/3 of the ladder. That's pretty much when-
Eh, I gotta go xD lol whatup it's me "Loptomist" the terran who stopped you from getting C- earlier today. taht was a good game though =)
(: xD 1m2m3m4m5m ftw!
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It's weird - after years of Starcraft without fundamental changes in the actual game, all of a sudden, Protoss is looked upon as "easy" and "imbalanced".
This can imply only one thing: some people are seizing the opportunity (a time of Protoss-domination in pro gaming Starcraft) to whine and bitch about the race and thus, the game.
The sad part about this is the fact that by doing so, these people dishonor the beautiful game that Starcraft is.
Shame on you.
Regards,
Judicator
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Protoss is not only the easiest at lower levels...but the same logic applies at the highest levels. their HP is still high, the groupings are still easier, the mechanics are still easier. The idea that all progaming matchups are intense therefore protoss control must be as hard as Terran or Zerg is not valid. At pro level the gap might be somewhat narrower but Toss is still by far the easiest to play because the millions of reasons that make them easy do not disappear with intensity.
i'd say T is by far the hardest at lower levels.. and Z is the hardest at the highest level...but by a very small margin over T. ZvP when dealing with TOSS FE and all their explosive damage + storm...and ZvT vs things like SK terran and near flawless FE Terran mechanics (which seems to limit the Z to 3 bases midgame) is extremely hard for Z. People like Jeadong and savior deserve lots of respect.
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because they're the most dominant race of the moment.
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