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On May 02 2022 03:30 KwarK wrote:I’m denying the stream cheating. Show nested quote +you've even responded to what he's saying onstream in the ingame chat, along with many suspicious moves is pure fiction. I know it’s fiction because I was there and I’d have known if I was stream cheating. I’m not sure where you’re getting this from, maybe Artosis has been making up lies about me again. He does that a lot. For example he once claimed that I intervened in a Starcraft 2 tournament I’ve never heard of (I’ve nothing to do with sc2) to stop him winning due to some old grudge dating from years before either of us had ever interacted with the other. He consistently claimed on his stream that I was targeting him despite an open offer for us to alternate leaving games (I volunteered to leave first as a good faith gesture). We’d randomly hit each other on ladder (though that doesn’t happen much anymore due to MMR difference) and he would bitch and whine about how he wished he didn’t have to play me despite knowing that he could at any time ask me to leave. Y’all are a bunch of weirdos who somehow don’t know the difference between real life and entertainment. He’s making a show and that casting people as villains against their will makes him drama and views. About a year and a half ago we queued randomly and I again restated my willingness to leave if he left next time, just like I always did back then. He finally accepted and I voluntarily left because I really don’t like playing him and I really hate the way you fanboys follow me around making shit up. For a few months we successfully alternated leaving without drama at all until he broke the deal. That was a pretty shitty thing for him to do, I’d left the previous game while on my BSL account and hundreds of MMR higher. It probably cost me proleague qualification that season but we had a deal and I’m an honourable player. Then on his turn he refused to leave because he was close to S (lol who the fuck cares about S), dishonouring our deal and cheating for points. He claims that I dishonoured the deal first but I can provide the replay where it was his turn and he refused to leave. There’s no point getting into who to believe, he broke it on May 27 and the game he uses as justification for breaking it was on May 30. May 30 is after May 27. + Show Spoiler +I still don’t target him or harass him. You can check the vods of the streams in which we hit each other on ladder, I don’t snipe him or queue to hit him. But he insists on harassing me, lying about me, encouraging his dumb fucking simps to send me abuse. Something to keep in mind next time he makes some claim about me is that he’s either a liar or May 30 is before May 27.
It sounds like you decided to make yourself a villain because he did his usual post-loss bitching that he does on every stream against every opponent and it offended your narcissism so you decided to streamsnipe him and are now acting surprised that people think it was bad behavior. So are we supposed to take it that if you complain about your opponent that justifies them streamsniping you going forward?
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He didnt stream sniping in the sense of cheating though, just q’ing at the same time. Theres a big difference there
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People seem to always conflate the two for some weird reason. Stream sniping is not the same as stream cheating. It may be that the new posters here don't know the difference. If you and someone else have close enough MMRs and queue at the same time in BW, since it's a global ladder, there is a chance that you could get matched up against them. This is what Kwark did, he decided to hit the queue button after Artosis hit his own queue button.
After that, he played the game normally. Keep in mind that Kwark streams his games and has low APM to begin with. Imagine the detriment to his gameplay if he was actually watching Artosis's pov while he was trying to play the game. Watching the pov during a game is what stream cheating is. As for what Artosis said on stream, if the information is targeted rather than general, it's reasonable for someone to take offense to it considering everyone has their own thresholds after all.
One thing to note is that Kwark could easily check out the game vod afterwards to see what Artosis was saying during their game, and relay that same information the next time he drops by his stream. This is in reference to the other poster. Hope this explains things.
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Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. I can confidently assert that there are zero instances of me responding to something he said on stream while playing him because, and again this is something I would know about because I was there, I’m not a stream cheater. I don’t need an explanation for that because it never happened.
Also I think even Artosis would admit that given the relative skill levels it would be near impossible for him to take games from me if I were stream cheating. He has taken games from me.
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On May 02 2022 05:14 honorablemacroterran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 03:30 KwarK wrote:I’m denying the stream cheating. you've even responded to what he's saying onstream in the ingame chat, along with many suspicious moves is pure fiction. I know it’s fiction because I was there and I’d have known if I was stream cheating. I’m not sure where you’re getting this from, maybe Artosis has been making up lies about me again. He does that a lot. For example he once claimed that I intervened in a Starcraft 2 tournament I’ve never heard of (I’ve nothing to do with sc2) to stop him winning due to some old grudge dating from years before either of us had ever interacted with the other. He consistently claimed on his stream that I was targeting him despite an open offer for us to alternate leaving games (I volunteered to leave first as a good faith gesture). We’d randomly hit each other on ladder (though that doesn’t happen much anymore due to MMR difference) and he would bitch and whine about how he wished he didn’t have to play me despite knowing that he could at any time ask me to leave. Y’all are a bunch of weirdos who somehow don’t know the difference between real life and entertainment. He’s making a show and that casting people as villains against their will makes him drama and views. About a year and a half ago we queued randomly and I again restated my willingness to leave if he left next time, just like I always did back then. He finally accepted and I voluntarily left because I really don’t like playing him and I really hate the way you fanboys follow me around making shit up. For a few months we successfully alternated leaving without drama at all until he broke the deal. That was a pretty shitty thing for him to do, I’d left the previous game while on my BSL account and hundreds of MMR higher. It probably cost me proleague qualification that season but we had a deal and I’m an honourable player. Then on his turn he refused to leave because he was close to S (lol who the fuck cares about S), dishonouring our deal and cheating for points. He claims that I dishonoured the deal first but I can provide the replay where it was his turn and he refused to leave. There’s no point getting into who to believe, he broke it on May 27 and the game he uses as justification for breaking it was on May 30. May 30 is after May 27. + Show Spoiler +I still don’t target him or harass him. You can check the vods of the streams in which we hit each other on ladder, I don’t snipe him or queue to hit him. But he insists on harassing me, lying about me, encouraging his dumb fucking simps to send me abuse. Something to keep in mind next time he makes some claim about me is that he’s either a liar or May 30 is before May 27. It sounds like you decided to make yourself a villain because he did his usual post-loss bitching that he does on every stream against every opponent and it offended your narcissism so you decided to streamsnipe him and are now acting surprised that people think it was bad behavior. So are we supposed to take it that if you complain about your opponent that justifies them streamsniping you going forward?
I mean yeah, kinda. If you go on a long rant about how your opponent is so bad and then they make you eat your words by making an account called “so bad” and beating you with it then that’s just funny. That’s getting exactly what you deserve, bad manner coming back to haunt you. That ought to have been the end of it right there. He called me so bad, I made him eat those words, matter settled, but instead he’s insisted on harassing me through his simps for the last two years.
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On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio.
New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer 
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On May 02 2022 09:56 KingDweeb1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer
I don’t really know how OBS works and so the assertion stands. We’re talking about my stream, not a competent streamer’s stream. If I had it open you’d all hear it. That’s a factually correct assertion as it relates entirely to my own knowledge or lack thereof.
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On May 02 2022 09:56 KingDweeb1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer
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ROFL :D
Yeah this seems like a bit of a reach, but u cant expect more from 1 post wonders and fanbois I suppose.
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On May 02 2022 08:10 BigFan wrote:
People seem to always conflate the two for some weird reason. Stream sniping is not the same as stream cheating. It may be that the new posters here don't know the difference. If you and someone else have close enough MMRs and queue at the same time in BW, since it's a global ladder, there is a chance that you could get matched up against them. This is what Kwark did, he decided to hit the queue button after Artosis hit his own queue button.
After that, he played the game normally. Keep in mind that Kwark streams his games and has low APM to begin with. Imagine the detriment to his gameplay if he was actually watching Artosis's pov while he was trying to play the game. Watching the pov during a game is what stream cheating is. As for what Artosis said on stream, if the information is targeted rather than general, it's reasonable for someone to take offense to it considering everyone has their own thresholds after all.
One thing to note is that Kwark could easily check out the game vod afterwards to see what Artosis was saying during their game, and relay that same information the next time he drops by his stream. This is in reference to the other poster. Hope this explains things.
This makes me wonder. How is stream-cheating prevented in online tourneys (esp SC2)?
Is there a 15-30 minute lag in the official stream? Or are players required to have an arbiter physically in the room watching them? Or some kind of software running on player computers that detects switching of programs?
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Streams usually have 2-3min delay.
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On May 02 2022 08:10 BigFan wrote:
People seem to always conflate the two for some weird reason. Stream sniping is not the same as stream cheating. It may be that the new posters here don't know the difference. If you and someone else have close enough MMRs and queue at the same time in BW, since it's a global ladder, there is a chance that you could get matched up against them. This is what Kwark did, he decided to hit the queue button after Artosis hit his own queue button.
After that, he played the game normally. Keep in mind that Kwark streams his games and has low APM to begin with. Imagine the detriment to his gameplay if he was actually watching Artosis's pov while he was trying to play the game. Watching the pov during a game is what stream cheating is. As for what Artosis said on stream, if the information is targeted rather than general, it's reasonable for someone to take offense to it considering everyone has their own thresholds after all.
One thing to note is that Kwark could easily check out the game vod afterwards to see what Artosis was saying during their game, and relay that same information the next time he drops by his stream. This is in reference to the other poster. Hope this explains things.
EXACTLY right. Thank you very much for bothering to make this post. Hopefully these guys will understand the important difference now. Although I'm not holding my breath, to be honest..
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On May 02 2022 13:05 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 09:56 KingDweeb1 wrote:On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer
LMAO 
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On May 02 2022 13:05 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 09:56 KingDweeb1 wrote:On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer
>wall of text
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Larger than wall of text?
Think that was the point tbh bro imo
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On May 02 2022 17:20 Nambona890 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2022 13:05 Jealous wrote:On May 02 2022 09:56 KingDweeb1 wrote:On May 02 2022 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Also if I could hear Artosis’s stream while playing then you’d be able to hear it on my stream, mine would restream that audio. New user chiming in, this is factually incorrect. You can just set obs to not capture chrome's audio, or whatever streaming / browsing software combo you use. Trying to mislead the uninformed with assertions like this is why people here aren't entirely on your side. Just stick to what's true and you could make your point a lot clearer >wall of text
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How a salty, whiny, barely S player gets such dedicated dickriders is beyond me.
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how is this a thread
what is this
honestly
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It is tasty drama thread, try contributing instead of whining plz.
Is it true that buccaneers, the infamous Artosis nemesis is in fact Oystein? And why is he so much better than Artosis? Plz respond
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On May 03 2022 03:32 Timebon3s wrote:
It is tasty drama thread, try contributing instead of whining plz.
Is it true that buccaneers, the infamous Artosis nemesis is in fact Oystein? And why is he so much better than Artosis? Plz respond
Yep. It's true that it's Oystein.
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On May 02 2022 05:14 honorablemacroterran wrote:
It sounds like you decided to make yourself a villain because he did his usual post-loss bitching that he does on every stream against every opponent and it offended your narcissism so you decided to streamsnipe him and are now acting surprised that people think it was bad behavior. So are we supposed to take it that if you complain about your opponent that justifies them streamsniping you going forward?
Lol, so what on earth justifies Artosis's bm almost every game? Insulting his opponents, calling them stupid, morons, apes, fuck this fuck that... How come you don't see the problems with the guy bitching after every game, but instead attribute narcissism to the guy who feels offended by that.
Stream sniping is in fact the softest "punishment" Artosis can have for his toxic behavior. What does he have to endure lol? Playing (and losing, in a fair manner) a Starcraft game. Imagine behaving like that in a LAN setting, soon somebody will smash a keyboard into his head and everyone will kinda agree he deserves that.
The other day after losing a "lag" game against a BSL fella, Artosis then proceeded to call BSL a "lagging shitshow". Yep, that's the kind of respect he has for the foreign community. If he gets banished from SC altogether, I'd say he deserves it.
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