EPTWhat stopped me from watching his stream was the endless and annoying TTS donations. If you mute the stream because of TTS, you lose most of the comedy factor. How about back to debunking artosis claims?
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EndingLife
United States1599 Posts
What stopped me from watching his stream was the endless and annoying TTS donations. If you mute the stream because of TTS, you lose most of the comedy factor. How about back to debunking artosis claims? | ||
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TMNT
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On May 06 2022 06:20 TT1 wrote: Fair enough, that's why i said everyone is entitled to their opinion, to me it's easily the former. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your opinion happens to be wrong, bro. It's because you don't get the facts right. Here, let me tell you what the fact is. Artosis is known for: - in-game bm and publicly insulting his opponents - spreading vitriol towards a race or the players of that race - mixing bullshit with the general knowledge of the game - breaking truce then lying about that (as evidenced in the feud with Kwark) - disrespecting the foreign community on many occasions So you see, it's not quite "old guy rage venting in a game". Now you can form your opinion again and be entitled to it. Hopefully this time it's right. | ||
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BoxTrade
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On May 06 2022 08:00 TMNT wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your opinion happens to be wrong, bro. It's because you don't get the facts right. Here, let me tell you what the fact is. Artosis is known for: - in-game bm and publicly insulting his opponents - spreading vitriol towards a race or the players of that race - mixing bullshit with the general knowledge of the game - breaking truce then lying about that (as evidenced in the feud with Kwark) - disrespecting the foreign community on many occasions So you see, it's not quite "old guy rage venting in a game". Now you can form your opinion again and be entitled to it. Hopefully this time it's right. Disrespecting the foreign community, but there would not even be a foreign community without artosis. Him whining about protoss and zerg while raging is a massive boost to the games viewership. In my experience if people do not have argument and rage to have around a game all the time it loses popularity. As counterintuitive as it sounds, if there was more open toxicity and complaining in the community then the game would most likely be more popular. Of course, up to you to decide if all that drama is worth. But whatever it takes to keep the game from becoming dead at the least, and artosis on his own fills that quota. | ||
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KingDweeb1
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TT1
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Bowling
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On May 06 2022 11:06 BoxTrade wrote: Disrespecting the foreign community, but there would not even be a foreign community without artosis. Him whining about protoss and zerg while raging is a massive boost to the games viewership. In my experience if people do not have argument and rage to have around a game all the time it loses popularity. As counterintuitive as it sounds, if there was more open toxicity and complaining in the community then the game would most likely be more popular. Of course, up to you to decide if all that drama is worth. But whatever it takes to keep the game from becoming dead at the least, and artosis on his own fills that quota. A lot of this is true but is not a healthy way to keep alive the foreign community. Most of his viewers are on his stream because of his infamous behaviour not because it makes the game appealing to them. If he would switch to SC2 then I am willing to bet that his viewership would increase even higher. Heck, even switching to another game with some popularity would drag his viewers without any problems as long as he keeps raging and ranting. Artosis himself probably doesn't even care about integrity anymore. He's almost 40 and has many kids to feed which gives him even more reason to continue his infamous deeds. | ||
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TMNT
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On May 06 2022 11:06 BoxTrade wrote: Disrespecting the foreign community, but there would not even be a foreign community without artosis. Lmao this is so not true. How disconnected you are to reality to even come to this statement? He's not the founder of tl or liquipedia. He's not the organizer of BSL. He's not a donor of any foreign tournaments. Heck, not even casting any. As for his works in Korea, the foreign community existed before that point. And he's not even the most important person. Tasteless is the one who came there first and paved the way for Artosis. The only thing you can say is he promotes BW to new foreign viewers. Not in the right way though, mind. | ||
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TMNT
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On May 06 2022 12:53 TT1 wrote: lol Can't argue with facts can you? That's why when confronted by Kwark, you had nothing to say but "fair enough", then resorted to the usual "personal opinion" cliché. Notice how in all of your essays in this thread, none of it actually addressed any of Artosis' problems. But you bigged things up and over-generalized, talking about how the world is a bad place and etc. lol, but never addressing the details. All style without substance. Like, what kind of context or perspective should I be aware of to sympathize with Artosis straight up lying? You're just pretending to be neutral. | ||
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Bowling
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On May 06 2022 14:17 TMNT wrote: He's not a donor of any foreign tournaments. Heck, not even casting any. What, not even a few? This doesn't sound right.. If this is true then I guess Artosis is really deluded thinking that he only belongs in the Korean part of the scene. This sounds really sad. | ||
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Josh_gae223
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On May 06 2022 14:17 TMNT wrote: Lmao this is so not true. How disconnected you are to reality to even come to this statement? He's not the founder of tl or liquipedia. He's not the organizer of BSL. He's not a donor of any foreign tournaments. Heck, not even casting any. As for his works in Korea, the foreign community existed before that point. And he's not even the most important person. Tasteless is the one who came there first and paved the way for Artosis. The only thing you can say is he promotes BW to new foreign viewers. Not in the right way though, mind. 100% agreed | ||
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Timebon3s
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TMNT
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Timebon3s
Norway764 Posts
How about The holiday bash, Starcraft remastered launch event and Zotac cup. Does that count? | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
On May 06 2022 08:00 TMNT wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your opinion happens to be wrong, bro. It's because you don't get the facts right. Here, let me tell you what the fact is. Artosis is known for: - in-game bm and publicly insulting his opponents - spreading vitriol towards a race or the players of that race - mixing bullshit with the general knowledge of the game - breaking truce then lying about that (as evidenced in the feud with Kwark) - disrespecting the foreign community on many occasions So you see, it's not quite "old guy rage venting in a game". Now you can form your opinion again and be entitled to it. Hopefully this time it's right. He is also known for be sooooo fucking late with the ASL casts | ||
KwarK
United States43598 Posts
On May 06 2022 20:49 Timebon3s wrote: Yup and salty haters thinks he hasn’t done anything for bw lol How about The holiday bash, Starcraft remastered launch event and Zotac cup. Does that count? I’ve never heard of any of those lol | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway764 Posts
The holiday bash and remastered launch events was a lot of fun and had a lot of views. Best thing I ever saw after fake klazart in tl attack. | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
On May 06 2022 14:33 TMNT wrote: Can't argue with facts can you? That's why when confronted by Kwark, you had nothing to say but "fair enough", then resorted to the usual "personal opinion" cliché. Notice how in all of your essays in this thread, none of it actually addressed any of Artosis' problems. But you bigged things up and over-generalized, talking about how the world is a bad place and etc. lol, but never addressing the details. All style without substance. Like, what kind of context or perspective should I be aware of to sympathize with Artosis straight up lying? You're just pretending to be neutral. I'll spell it out for you because it seems like you can't add it up yourself. I'm neutral on the essence of the issue because it's dumb gamer/ego shit, that's in the first post i wrote (quoted below). The posts that happened afterwards was me replying back to Magic Powers/KwarK who are on the other side of the issue. I didn't need to respond back to them because for me the issue was dead at that point but i wanted to make them understand (not change their opinion, just understand) Artosis' perspective, because it seemed like they couldn't. I laid out all the facts that i personally knew about because i was sort of in the middle of the issue at first. KwarK msg'd me to basically smooth things out with Artosis and i told him it's not my place to do so. I won't tell someone whether or not they should forgive or like/dislike someone else, deal with your shit yourself. You have to remember that everything that's happened between KwarK and Artosis has happened between me and him as well, 20 years ago. I've known him for a long time, i know his competitive nature/character. Artosis isn't the type of person that you can force to do something or act in a certain way, that's just not who he is. So from there KwarK decided to PM him on TL to offer a truce, yada yada yada. For me the issue died after the 1st main interaction, from that point Artosis is going to dislike KwarK until something happens organically that'll change his view on him, that's just who he is. From here the ball is in KwarK's court, he doesn't need to msg Artosis, if he wants the issue to die all he had to do was avoid him. That or embrace the drama and carry on as you normally would. I personally don't give a fuck about whichever option he decides to pick but at least it's a definitive answer, there's no more bullshit back and forth. Now, KwarK is also a passionate/competitive guy, you have to be that type of person if you're gonna invest time playing a game like BW. Whether or not part of him got irked by future interactions, whether or not he liked pissing him off and the attention that came with it, i don't know. Only he knows why the issue got to this point. For me this is all very simple, either you want the beef/drama or you don't. If you don't then leave the game whenever you match up with him, if you do then just act the fucking part and be yourself. This type of thing only really gets settled in tournaments anyways. There's no middle point here but that's where KwarK's at. He kept the beef going until it got to a point where now he doesn't want to deal with the drama anymore, that's all on him. Artosis isn't gonna change who he is, you can't force him to do something he doesn't want to do with a person he dislikes. Either deal with it or don't deal with it, that's all there is to it. Here's my original post: On May 05 2022 11:11 TT1 wrote: This is being blown out of proportion, I'll tell you how this entire thing started. Early 2020, Artosis started streaming BW more regularly, he hits KwarK 1 game, loses and trash talks. KwarK takes offense and proceeds to snipe him/trash talk him in-game (game related stuff but obviously his goal is to get him back). Obviously Artosis doesn't like this and trash talks KwarK on his stream from that point on etc. Some time passes and KwarK msgs me something to tell Artosis, I tell him it's not my place to do so and that he should msg him directly via TL. From that point I've been pretty much out of the loop w/ everything that's happened afterwards but that's the essence of the beef, it's pretty innocent/game related stuff. Now if we go back to the start and really think about it, both their perspectives/reactions are understandable. Artosis is just being himself (this is his competitive nature). I've known him for a very long time, trust me when I say he's always been like this and doesn't care about who he offends. He might hold some stuff back if he knows you personally but if he doesn't you're gonna get da full blast (trust me i know). The thing is, players are very competitive and they react to race/skill bashing differently, some get more offended than others. Many players are gonna act the same way KwarK did (and many have, both kors and foreigners). Even if this type of stuff is annoying to deal with, it comes with the territory. He might think he shouldn't need to deal with it but the reality is this type of stuff is bound to happen in most competitive settings. Now, I also think you're asking to be disliked when you snipe/instigate trash talk against a known streamer/competitive person like Artosis. This entire thing is pretty harmless to me tho, it gets annoying when fans become overly invested and start to character bash, let the players deal with it. Grudges should always stay between players and they should resolve it (or not) however they deem fit. I'm a purist so I always look at stuff like this from an entertainment/competitive lens, I love it. Players are always gonna like/dislike other players, that's what makes the competitive scene juicy. You just can't take this stuff personally, what happens in-game stays in-game. | ||
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TMNT
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On May 06 2022 20:49 Timebon3s wrote: Yup and salty haters thinks he hasn’t done anything for bw lol How about The holiday bash, Starcraft remastered launch event and Zotac cup. Does that count? No one is saying that. I was refuting the idiotic point that Artosis is responsible for the whole existence of the foreign BW scene. Participating in those one-off events you mentioned doesn't count towards that point. Not even remotely close. That's like saying there wouldn't be a BSL without Seriosity. Artosis obviously has two youtube channels and one twitch stream that I acknowledged of promoting BW to foreign viewers. But that's it. | ||
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BoxTrade
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 06 2022 01:22 TT1 wrote: Wow, that's exactly what a person with double standards would say. I might as well say, read my post again. Then we can go round in circles like you want to.i think that's just a reading comprehension issue on your end ______ Also got to laugh at the idea that there would not be a foreign community without artosis. A community exists whether or not there is a person who has the most precense or not. All it means is that clicks is centered on that person, instead of being spread elsewhere. Artosis and Tasteless stopped casting live ASL, plenty others stepped up to the task. | ||
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