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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 06 2022 00:31 TT1 wrote: it already reached a personal lvl for both of you so that's up to you to decide, it takes 2 to get there tho This is a good example of double standards. Seems like to me you are taking it personally on behalf of Artosis. | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
On May 06 2022 01:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote: This is a good example of double standards. Seems like to me you are taking it personally on behalf of Artosis. i think that's just a reading comprehension issue on your end | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia913 Posts
If the person actually stream cheats, fuck them. Otherwise, don't accuse people unless certain. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway643 Posts
It is the income for his family, his passion and his personality is at display for all to see. I'm sure it's not easy to combine all those things. And like a person earlier said, his streams brings joy to many people. It IS a fun stream and I feel his viewers are generally very nice and friendly people and it is a fun place to be, with retarded donations, fun ascii art and stupid jokes. And in the end, is that not all life is about?? | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
But at the same time you have to put yourself in his shoes. He's not a progamer, once you're at that level there are certain things that you discover about yourself that allow you to act differently (that process takes a lot of discipline, especially for a game like BW). He's a 40 year old man with a family who has dedicated his life to SC, who puts himself out there for your viewing pleasure, to accomplish his own personal goals. Yes he has flaws, yes many are gonna take issue with how he acts and how he's figured out to monetize it, this is all human nature. Ultimately none of this is any of our business tho, you shouldn't feel entitled to ask him to change himself because he doesn't meet your standards. You can either choose to be neutral, dislike or like him.. but you have to accept him for who he is. Everything else is really on him and his own goals, that's his prerogative. And please remember, this is all coming from someone who Artosis had extreme dislike for back in the day, we both didn't like each other at all. | ||
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angryground
54 Posts
On May 06 2022 02:48 TT1 wrote: Yes and don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to justify the way he acts as being ok. From my POV i also don't like how he acts because i know how much time/effort he puts into getting better (he just ends up hurting himself), i respect that a lot about him. Seeing Artosis improve/succeed is good for the game, he's an important person for the scene (i'd argue the most important person ever for foreign SC). But at the same time you have to put yourself in his shoes. He's not a progamer, once you're at that level there are certain things that you discover about yourself that allow you to act differently (that process takes a lot of discipline, especially for a game like BW). He's a 40 year old man with a family who has dedicated his life to SC, who puts himself out there for your viewing pleasure, to accomplish his own personal goals. Yes he has flaws, yes many are gonna take issue with how he acts and how he's figured out to monetize it, this is all human nature. Ultimately none of this is any of our business tho, you shouldn't feel entitled to ask him to change himself because he doesn't meet your standards. You can either choose to be neutral, dislike or like him.. but you have to accept him for who he is. Everything else is really on him and his own goals, that's his prerogative. And please remember, this is all coming from someone who Artosis had extreme dislike for back in the day, we both didn't like each other at all. That’s a good post. in a somewhat derailed and stupid thread. | ||
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Magic Powers
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
My goal isn't to change anyones opinion, that's just a waste of time, you're exhibit A. That said, if someone impartial wants to form an opinion i want them to know the facts and understand the perspective from both sides, that's all. | ||
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Magic Powers
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TT1
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
On May 06 2022 06:10 Magic Powers wrote: Strangely everything you're accusing me of reminds me so much of Artosis. On May 05 2022 15:25 TT1 wrote: This is where me and you differ, i accept him for who he is, that's the starting point. Progress can't be made if you shut someone out. You don't know how much we've talked about this topic in the past, he's aware of everything you dislike about him. Not because he cares about what you think about him, because it hurts him as a competitor. It's not easy to put yourself out there in front of thousands of people to see your competitive nature and have them judge your perceived flaws. The hard part is doing something about it, bettering yourself, using those same emotions (because everyone has them, if you don't think they do you haven't experienced true competition) in a more productive/constructive way, that's not an easy thing to do. He knows about all this and reads a lot on this topic as well. Like in SC, knowledge is only the first step, the execution is the hard part. We all have completely different life experiences, you shouldn't be quick to judge/shoebox someone when you can't view their life from their perspective. The funny thing is, you're basically doing the same thing he does in-game, instead you're doing it to talk about his character on a chat forum. What you do is easy, I'm sure it feels gratifying too huh? Moral superiority.. even if it's at subconscious level. Life lesson buddy, perspective matters a lot, more than anything else in the world tbh. If we can't understand each other we can't help one another. We end up hating each other instead. What we're talking about is childish baby shit compared to the atrocities going on in the world. "The funny thing is, you're basically doing the same thing he does in-game, instead you're doing it to talk about his character on a chat forum. What you do is easy, I'm sure it feels gratifying too huh? Moral superiority.. even if it's at subconscious level." Now think about this, what do you think is more harmful; bandwagon character bashing on a public forum or a 40 year old guy rage venting in a game? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3710 Posts
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KwarK
United States42253 Posts
Also you keep saying you’re very neutral but it’s some weird phrasing. You call TL a public forum, which it is, but it’s hardly a social hub these days. You reframe what he does as venting, rather than harassing, insulting or abusing, even when he’s pausing games so he can type out his insults. You’re adding in his age as if that somehow makes it less impactful when we’re all basically the same age. And you describe the context of his actions as in a game and not, for example, broadcast live to thousands of people on a large social media platform. I think if he were generally venting about how frustrating a game is in single player without broadcasting it people would have a lot less problems with it. What you described is basically someone getting mad during a game of Rimworld and it’s really not what the issue is. Very weird phrasing. It’s about as neutral as a special military operation taking place in or around Russian territory. | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
And KwarK, we spoke about this yesterday privately. If you were actually ever serious about avoiding all the drama w/ him you know what the answer is.. and let's be real, you've always known. It doesn't take too many brain cells to figure that out, part of you liked engaging with him. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1587 Posts
Trying to one up each other by editing their comments after reading each others response. (edited 3x for the luls) | ||
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KwarK
United States42253 Posts
On May 06 2022 06:20 TT1 wrote: And KwarK, we spoke about this yesterday privately. If you were actually ever serious about avoiding all the drama w/ him you know what the answer is.. and let's be real, you've always known. I’m still going to take your advice from yesterday and unilaterally leave our games. It was good advice. It doesn’t matter how in the wrong I think he is, he’s never going to stop being the way he is, all I can do is work around that. We’re agreed on the answer. I just think it’s weird that you’re neutrally phrasing shit the way you are. I might neutrally describe what I did as a middle aged family man playing an old strategy game that doesn’t hurt anyone. | ||
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Bowling
3 Posts
At first, it was somewhat entertaining and delivered "enough" but I realized as soon as the whining and raging stopped the stream had no value for me. I tried watching him in a "legitimately" way but that escalated in no time because of pointless whining and donation spam, and the mute button was not an option because I was mainly there for his infamous acts. Nowadays is significantly different. His raging, whining and b1tching is still there but what really changed is his attitude towards his opponents, is like he only focuses most of his energy on sh1t talking. I wouldn't mind that much if he at least put some entertainment effort but seems he's running out of juice or something. Every now and then I check his streams and is always the same disrespect and petty stuff. One of his best qualities, his rage, has been diminished a lot which kills most of the entertainment aspect, at least for me. Yes, I am aware that he raging too much is not healthy for him, I am not a total psycho. If Artosis would deserve respect then is only because of his "positive contributions" to the foreign scene and Tastosis casts. Everything else about him comes as negative as it can get. A vast majority of his viewers think that the "real" Artosis is the one that casts and the whiny one on the stream is just an act. They are both legitimate. This is not hard to believe considering that casting is actually a legitimately job and unprofessionalism is not tolerated. Could you imagine if the whiny Artosis would take over when casting? It would be hilarious at first but the backlash would surely end him for good. All in all, despite Artosis negativity, he's only part of the problem. I am fine with Artosis' fans as long as they see him for what he really is. The problem arises when people take his words for granted. Sure, it doesn't help them when Artosis spreads bullsh1t mixing with actual BW knowledge but my god, people can be so mindless. | ||
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