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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 04 2015 20:50 ShloobeR wrote: What a weird situation for Blizzard to find themselves in it was coming for a long time (their design decisions in WoL and HotS already were bad from the get go) | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On January 04 2015 20:09 darktreb wrote: I don't think Jangbi was a pantheon level player). Uhm, 2010 damaged his legacy pretty much, but in my opinion in 2011 he redeemed himself. In 2009 he still was considered one of the best protoss players, unfortunately overshadowed by Stork and Bisu. 2010 foolled me pretty much into bielieving that he's no longer a great player anymore, becouse Fantasy, Stork and Bisu, who also had a moment slump in 2010, shown some flashbacks of brilliance even in their darkest hours, unlike Jangbi. Still with his final showdown I think he can be considered a "pantheon-level player" | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
On January 04 2015 20:50 ShloobeR wrote: What a weird situation for Blizzard to find themselves in it probably will , doesnt look like blizz wants to help sc2 too much :/ | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Assuming he doesn't suck. :D | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On January 04 2015 20:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Because ZerO was ZvP specialist in Woongjin, he played less Terrans in Proleague. Except ZerO played more games against Terran in Proleague than Soulkey did. Most of Soulkey's advantage in ZvT comes from the small-time events. Soulkey 23-23 ZvT in Proleague proper (excludes event team leagues and JV leagues) Zero 38-35 ZvT in Proleague proper (excludes event team leagues and JV leagues) Soulkey 5-4 ZvT in OSL/MSL main tournaments Zero 14-11 ZvT in OSL/MSL main tournaments Soulkey 1-6 vs Flash Zero 4-7 vs Flash Soulkey 7-1 vs Fantasy Zero 5-9 vs Fantasy Basically, the difference in their ZvT comes down to their individual differences against a single player: Fantasy. Zero also had the "misfortune" of advancing far in individual leagues, which led him to face more top Terrans in high-stakes series. There's no strong evidence to suggest that Soulkey was significantly better than ZerO at ZvT. People can also certainly believe that Soulkey was a better player overall than Zero if they want. However, it would certainly have to be based on how good he was against Fantasy. Well, I suppose it's all a matter of personal opinion and some version of the eye test. Soulkey certainly had an identifiable style that certain kinds of people really like. However, in terms of individual league achievements they're not even comparable. Soulkey 11-12 in OSL/MSL main tournaments Zero 64-47 in OSL/MSL main tournaments (54%/67%/54% v T/P/Z) Quite striking if you consider the fact that advancing likely means facing stronger players. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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Meerel
Germany713 Posts
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lemmata
468 Posts
On January 04 2015 22:07 deathgod6 wrote: Effort vs Hiya right now! 400+ APM for an entire game... His hands are still fast. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC2
Czech Republic85 Posts
On January 04 2015 21:19 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: it probably will , doesnt look like blizz wants to help sc2 too much :/ And you are suprised nobody from Blizzard even working activly on SC2 anymore  ! Ofc it will happen | ||
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NiHiLuSsc2
United States50 Posts
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CJ ENTUS FAN
Korea (South)1 Post
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BongChambers
Canada591 Posts
Who's gonna be next?  | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On January 04 2015 18:28 kjwcj wrote: regardless of his sponleague/41sl form, it's hard to call what happened in SSL a glitch when he has a sub-50% winrate in 2/3 match-ups. That's why I said last few months though. ZerO had been struggling for a long time, so his WR has been pretty low. Only time will tell though if SSL was a glitch or if these last few months were just a bit of a hot streak. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On January 04 2015 21:44 lemmata wrote: Except ZerO played more games against Terran in Proleague than Soulkey did. Most of Soulkey's advantage in ZvT comes from the small-time events. Soulkey 23-23 ZvT in Proleague proper (excludes event team leagues and JV leagues) Zero 38-35 ZvT in Proleague proper (excludes event team leagues and JV leagues) Soulkey 5-4 ZvT in OSL/MSL main tournaments Zero 14-11 ZvT in OSL/MSL main tournaments Soulkey 1-6 vs Flash Zero 4-7 vs Flash Soulkey 7-1 vs Fantasy Zero 5-9 vs Fantasy Basically, the difference in their ZvT comes down to their individual differences against a single player: Fantasy. Zero also had the "misfortune" of advancing far in individual leagues, which led him to face more top Terrans in high-stakes series. There's no strong evidence to suggest that Soulkey was significantly better than ZerO at ZvT. People can also certainly believe that Soulkey was a better player overall than Zero if they want. However, it would certainly have to be based on how good he was against Fantasy. Well, I suppose it's all a matter of personal opinion and some version of the eye test. Soulkey certainly had an identifiable style that certain kinds of people really like. However, in terms of individual league achievements they're not even comparable. Soulkey 11-12 in OSL/MSL main tournaments Zero 64-47 in OSL/MSL main tournaments (54%/67%/54% v T/P/Z) Quite striking if you consider the fact that advancing likely means facing stronger players. Ehm.... SK's matchlist vs T from pro BW is absurd. It's like 75% of the top tier guys: Flash, Light, Fantasy, Bogus, hiyA, leta, etc. Winning 53% of that is damn good. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that ZerO was a better individual league player than SK, but a strong argument can be made for SK having ZvT just as good as ZerO in regular games, not at least a portion of is the fact that SK was THE large pioneer in developing ZvLategame mech, and was almost universally agreed to be the strongest zerg against the lategame mech transition. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3414 Posts
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