EPTiloveoov talks Bisu's possible relation with sAviO - Page 7
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
I'm pointing that out not to convince you to hate him, but to show how absurd it is that he's still milking the scene he helped destroy, while those innocent kids who were wronged are expected to just get over it and go away. Rather than hating on or supporting Savior, please try to channel your energy into supporting the players that are still struggling as a result of his actions. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:11 ShadeR wrote: Ma Bonjovi aside, this attack on BW streaming reveals that oov or KeSPA by extension can see that SC2 is a dead end for them. They can always switch back to BW, right? I mean, they aren't blizzard's bitches on this one, right? Once you become a bitch, you never go back. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:24 radadaundandan wrote: Everyone makes mistakes. Forgiveness is the key my friends. Forgiveness only comes to those who ask for it, it is earned as well as given. Savior hasn't even tried to earn it, as such, noone is obligated to give it to him. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote: Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. | ||
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Pathos
United States94 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:24 radadaundandan wrote: Everyone makes mistakes. Forgiveness is the key my friends. There's a difference between re-integrating someone into society and welcoming them back into their previous place in society. I can believe that Saviors re-rehabilitated, and I can want for everyone to give him a chance and to succeed in his life, without wishing for him to return to e-sports. If a football coach was fking kids, I'd be ok with him running a hardware shop. I wouldn't want him back in high school, coaching kids, even if I believe he was 'cured.' | ||
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flashimba
225 Posts
Not surprised at all. oov, I am disappoint. | ||
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AleXoundOS
Georgia457 Posts
I wish your words were misinterpreted. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:25 flashimba wrote: Coming out of retirement and finding out that your new occupation is completely different and terrible can really damage your mindset. Then you look around the corner and see other people enjoying your old job, you can't help but rage, and find any reason to put them down. Not surprised at all. oov, I am disappoint. Hahaha that's really funny, saying that oov even went into retirement instead of just doing mandatory military service; that going back to head coaching SKT, one of the oldest and most respected esports teams, is a terrible occupation; and that oov, one of the few legends who was there while they built the fucking industry and was eating ramen and cleaning dishes when there wasn't even a thing like stable salary contracts, is the type of person who would just lash out and find any reason to put down "people enjoying your old job" when there is no professional BW left now. Ah hahahaha masterfully done sir, I applaud you. Oh wait you are serious. On October 10 2013 18:29 AleXoundOS wrote: Oh, iloveoov, if you bash the entire BW streaming, provide another reasonable environment for playing BW and getting money. And you, showing such attitude towards retired players, hurt esports even more. I wish your words were misinterpreted. You do realize that he was one of the only people in the world who can even say that he actually personally contributed to providing a reasonable environment for playing BW and getting money right? Like a decade ago? Alongside people like Boxer? Kids these days. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote: The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. | ||
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flashimba
225 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:35 Caihead wrote: Hahaha that's really funny, saying that oov even went into retirement instead of just doing mandatory military service; that going back to head coaching SKT, one of the oldest and most respected esports teams, is a terrible occupation; and that oov, one of the few legends who was there while they built the fucking industry and was eating ramen and cleaning dishes when there wasn't even a thing like stable salary contracts, is the type of person who would just lash out and find any reason to put down "people enjoying your old job" when there is no professional BW left now. Ah hahahaha masterfully done sir, I applaud you. Oh wait you are serious. You do realize that he was one of the only people in the world who can even say that he actually personally contributed to providing a reasonable environment for playing BW and getting money right? Like a decade ago? Alongside people like Boxer? Kids these days. You have any source about oov's contributions or are you saying that anyone around during the early days also contributed to the scene? | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:42 flashimba wrote: If legends don't contribute, who do?You have any source about oov's contributions or are you saying that anyone around during the early days also contributed to the scene? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:42 flashimba wrote: You have any source about oov's contributions or are you saying that anyone around during the early days also contributed to the scene? Really? Do you need a source about Boxer's contributions too? Or maybe one on Kim Carrier? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6266 Posts
These players are fucking retired, if someone was banned from baseball for doping the guy can still play in his backyard, or teach kids how to play. Get over it. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On October 10 2013 09:10 PassiveAce wrote: I wasnt around for the savior scandal so I guess I don't know the entire story but... It seems a little weird to call Bisu 'on the same level as savior' because hes streaming with him years after the event. The event (organized match fixing, for the benefit of criminals) traumatized a lot of players and fans. While Savior still should be treated as a human, I think he has lost the rights to be acknowledged as a player. | ||
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Operations
115 Posts
IMO savior should have a second chance to redeem himself, and if its by teaching new players his knowledge, who are we to criticize him? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 10 2013 19:04 zeo wrote: Wow oov, must be really hard on everyone that a dead game with no pro scene forced to go underground has more viewers that your 'esport'. So sad that its 'hurting esports' if you are just better than sc2.... These players are fucking retired, if someone was banned from baseball for doping the guy can still play in his backyard, or teach kids how to play. Get over it. Say someone was banned from baseball for doping, not only so but he was the organizer for distributing a culture of doping in not only his team but with in many other rising stars in other major teams, say someone was caught for doping but refuses to even acknowledge or apologize for the fact that he was doping, say someone gets banned professionally but still makes money from the exact sport he was banned from, say someone who was banned professionally is trying to play with former clean retirees for personal fame and money, etc etc etc etc. On October 10 2013 19:08 Operations wrote: sc2 supporters aren't much better than match fixers. iloveoov should shut his mouth iloveoov probably fought longer and harder for BW than you have graced the internet with your posts. | ||
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flashimba
225 Posts
On October 10 2013 19:00 Caihead wrote: Really? Do you need a source about Boxer's contributions too? Or maybe one on Kim Carrier? Brilliant logic. Boxer and Kim Carrier contributing means oov contributed too. I applaud you kid. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote: There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. | ||
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Operations
115 Posts
On October 10 2013 19:11 Caihead wrote: iloveoov probably fought longer and harder for BW than you have graced the internet with your posts. iloveoov just wants to profit from whats left of sc2 scene, and the fact that he knows he would make more money streaming in afreeca pisses him off | ||
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